What is the legality of Trump's National Guard actions?

[candycorn]

Here are the thoughts of a former Federal prosecutor on the legal issues with Trump's actions in Los Angeles. Will Trump next turn his ICE thugs loose on the protests on June 14? And then claim he has to invoke Martial Law because of the reaction in most major cities in the US? Are you Trumpanzees going to support this move from Trump to become the first dictator to rule the US?

According to Trump, the President can’t send in troops.

 

[Rigby5]

I said you were exploiting them. Try and keep up.

And if you don’t think there is sexual abuse happening to the women you are helping illegally traffic then you are just dense

Legal migrant workers certainly do and nobody has issue with them. They have a right to be there because they have visas

Not sure what you mean a by native. If they were native to America they would be Americans

It is not illegal traffic, is protected by law and treaties, and the only sexual abuse I have ever heard of was by corrupt police and ICE agents that we allow to have the power to extort.

All inhabitants of the Americans before Columbus are natives since they walked here from Siberia, and there was no one else here.
The fact we illegally chased them out and forced them into Mexico and further south, does not change the fact they are natives to the US and our ancestors are not.
Most of the land owners in states like CA decided to not become US citizens when CA was sold to the US.
By treaty, they cannot be treated any differently than if they had become citizens of the US.

 

[Failzero]

Yup. They had warrants. I gave you the proof. But you continue you continue to lie. Frankly, your behavior is rather fucked up.

Every ICE target is slated for deportation ( some have been Deported 2-5 times and some have warrants & wants for Murder & Child rape …

 

[georgephillip]

Here are the thoughts of a former Federal prosecutor on the legal issues with Trump's actions in Los Angeles. Will Trump next turn his ICE thugs loose on the protests on June 14? And then claim he has to invoke Martial Law because of the reaction in most major cities in the US? Are you Trumpanzees going to support this move from Trump to become the first dictator to rule the US?

By some accounts administrative warrants to make arrests and seizures typically do not authorize searches of private property.

The use of masked, militarized agents employing tactics honed in Palestine by the IDF undermine public oversight, at least.

4,000 National Guard troops and 700 Marines to support ICE may violate the Posse Comitatus Act which restricts active-duty military from performing domestic law enforcement functions.

Detaining and deporting individuals without warrants or legal representation is a big step towards an authoritarian future where 99% of all Americans suffer the consequences.

The 1% will soon own more than the bottom 50%, eh? We’re all totally doomed. - The Context Of Things

 

[struth]

I agree there were problems with Biden's administration.
But there was no need for rebellion since it was temporary.

But Trump's illegal use of ICE and the National Guard is totally different because its an absolute violation of the 4th and 5th amendment. It is fundamental, so cannot be ignored. It is a treasonous precedent.

The natives looking for work in Home Depot parking lots harm no one, and are protected by the treaties we signed when we purchased CA from Mexico.
Treaties like that of Guadelupe Hidalgo prevent any restrictions on those who do not wish to become US citizens, but still want to live or work in their ancestral areas.
In fact, most of CA is old Spanish land grants we are not supposed to be violating.

Instead of you confederates going to war you should take your case to the courts and try to over turn our immigration laws. You don’t engaged in war against the United States because you are unhappy with our govt, that’s treason

 

[Failzero]

By some accounts administrative warrants to make arrests and seizures typically do not authorize searches of private property.

The use of masked, militarized agents employing tactics honed in Palestine by the IDF undermine public oversight, at least.

4,000 National Guard troops and 700 Marines to support ICE may violate the Posse Comitatus Act which restricts active-duty military from performing domestic law enforcement functions.

Detaining and deporting individuals without warrants or legal representation is a big step towards an authoritarian future where 99% of all Americans suffer the consequences.

The 1% will soon own more than the bottom 50%, eh? We’re all totally doomed. - The Context Of Things

How many Troops were in LA on the 5th Day of the Los Angeles Riots of 92 ?

 

[Rigby5]

If they have been deported before they are slated for Deportation ( keep up )

Wrong.
Only a judge can do that since there can be mistakes, like people with the same name.
ICE get no ability to make the call on their own.
That is prohibited by the 4th and 5th amendments.

 

[struth]

It is not illegal traffic, is protected by law and treaties, and the only sexual abuse I have ever heard of was by corrupt police and ICE agents that we allow to have the power to extort.

All inhabitants of the Americans before Columbus are natives since they walked here from Siberia, and there was no one else here.
The fact we illegally chased them out and forced them into Mexico and further south, does not change the fact they are natives to the US and our ancestors are not.
Most of the land owners in states like CA decided to not become US citizens when CA was sold to the US.
By treaty, they cannot be treated any differently than if they had become citizens of the US.

What law allows people to come here illegally? Please cite the code sections or legal authority

 

[Failzero]

Wrong.
Only a judge can do that since there can be mistakes, like people with the same name.
ICE get no ability to make the call on their own.
That is prohibited by the 4th and 5th amendments.

If your a target that has been Deported 4 times there is no mistake , they know your story

 

[Rigby5]

There are 1.5-2.5 million Criminal Illegals with heinous crimes and or more than 2 previous Deportations for ICE to arrest & deport in America

Not without a due process hearing.
It is ICE who needs to be arrested, since they are the ones doing the most harm.

 

[Failzero]

Not without a due process hearing.
It is ICE who needs to be arrested, since they are the ones doing the most harm.

The Previous Deportations are due process ( they are now captured return deportees )

 

[Rawley]

Detaining and deporting individuals without warrants or legal representation is a big step towards an authoritarian future where 99% of all Americans suffer the consequences.

Dude, Obama and Biden detained and deported literally hundreds of thousands of illegals, without warrants, without hearings, without legal representation for close to two decades. Where have you been?

 

[BackAgain]

The Bill of Rights is very clear in how it makes raids, arrests, and deportations illegal without judicial approval.

For crimes, dickbreath. Deportation isn’t a criminal matter.

You need to learn to educate yourself before bloviating like a retarded school kid.

 

[Rigby5]

Yup. They had warrants. I gave you the proof. But you continue you continue to lie. Frankly, your behavior is rather fucked up.

Wrong.
It is easy to prove you are lying because in order to have warrants, they would have to give testimony before a judge, where they give actual names of those they intend to arrest.
These Home Depot parking lot raids were anonymous.
They just rounded up everyone there.
They had no idea what their names were ahead of time.
So there could not possibly have been any legal warrants.

 

[Failzero]

Wrong.
It is easy to prove you are lying because in order to have warrants, they would have to give testimony before a judge, where they give actual names of those they intend to arrest.
These Home Depot parking lot raids were anonymous.
They just rounded up everyone there.
They had no idea what their names were ahead of time.
So there could not possibly have been any legal warrants.

No they arrested Known Targets ( if some guy ran who was a previous deportee then I would expect them to sweep him up too

 

[Rawley]

The Previous Deportations are due process ( they are now captured return deportees )

She's just pulling stuff out of her ass now. I'm done with that one.

 

[Rambunctious]

basic principles

Made up words... they mean nothing... stop being silly now you are embarrassing yourself...

 

[Rigby5]

Instead of you confederates going to war you should take your case to the courts and try to over turn our immigration laws. You don’t engaged in war against the United States because you are unhappy with our govt, that’s treason

Correct.
This likely can all be sorted out and fixed over time, as long as trump does not throw it all away by doing something like declaring martial law.
And what I am saying is that essentially that is what Trump is doing.
He is throwing it all away by ignoring the courts and sending in troops.
That is not legal and could easily ignite the powder keg.

Again, the point is that government only gets its authority from the protection of the rights of others.
Raiding Home Depot parking lots protects the rights of no one.
And in fact I saw ICE deliberately shooting journalists with rubber bullets.
That pretty much is an armed rebellion by Trump.

 

[Rawley]

Wrong.
It is easy to prove you are lying because in order to have warrants, they would have to give testimony before a judge, where they give actual names of those they intend to arrest.
These Home Depot parking lot raids were anonymous.
They just rounded up everyone there.
They had no idea what their names were ahead of time.
So there could not possibly have been any legal warrants.

You have a blessed day. I hope you find the strength to listen to others and view evidence and stop posting like an arrogant, ignorant, lying asshole. But I won't be holding my breath.

 

[Rigby5]

How many Troops were in LA on the 5th Day of the Los Angeles Riots of 92 ?

You forget that when the state calls them up, they are militia, not troops.
They are only troops when the feds call them up, and that is illegal unless the insurrection act has been activated.