Zone1 What is the best example of an Islamic country?

[Southern Dad]

I separated Dubai out because it is particularly friendly to foreigners. Unless you're a scumbag. Then not so much.

It’s really not just Dubai. Abu Dhabi is often said to be the safest city in the world. Did you know that you can walk down the sidewalks in Abu Dhabi wearing white socks and they will still be clean when you reach the end of the block?

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

It’s really not just Dubai. Abu Dhabi is often said to be the safest city in the world. Did you know that you can walk down the sidewalks in Abu Dhabi wearing white socks and they will still be clean when you reach the end of the block?

Of course, if you’re female and those socks are visible, your feet will be cut off. But your socks will be clean.

 

[Southern Dad]

Of course, if you’re female and those socks are visible, your feet will be cut off. But your socks will be clean.

Neither Dubai nor Abu Dhabi have any requirement for women to cover themselves from head to toe nor even wear burqas. It is not unusual to see women wearing jeans and a t-shirt walking down the streets. They do recommend that women and men for that matter not wear clothing that shows the midriff or things like shorts in public. Some restaurants might ask a person to wear a jacket but they’ll provide one for you to save you going back to your hotel to get it.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Do Muslim women in those countries really live in “horrible peril,” or is that oversold? Plenty seem fine with not having to work outside the home—men are expected to fully provide, cover all bills, and handle the financial stress so women can focus on family and home. No double-shift burnout, no daycare guilt. Motherhood gets huge cultural respect too.

Sure, problems exist in some places, but many women value that security and protected role over constant career grind. Before calling it total oppression, ask: Would a lot of Western moms trade places for a setup where the man carries the load and the wife stays home? Nuance matters—it’s not all doom.

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Watch the film, "Not Without My Daughter", the true story of an American woman who was stupid enough to go to an "Islamic" country with her Muslim husband, to learn that she was a prisoner there. Women simply have no rights there. It's a country where a woman can be executed for being the VICTIM of rape.

Sure, the wife stays home. Locked in. All day, every day, for the rest of her life, if that's what her husband wants.

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[westwall]

It’s really not just Dubai. Abu Dhabi is often said to be the safest city in the world. Did you know that you can walk down the sidewalks in Abu Dhabi wearing white socks and they will still be clean when you reach the end of the block?

Yes, I have done it.

 

[Southern Dad]

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Watch the film, "Not Without My Daughter", the true story of an American woman who was stupid enough to go to an "Islamic" country with her Muslim husband, to learn that she was a prisoner there. Women simply have no rights there. It's a country where a woman can be executed for being the VICTIM of rape.

Sure, the wife stays home. Locked in. All day, every day, for the rest of her life, if that's what her husband wants.

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You justified your ignorance with what you saw in a movie about one person and one country? That’s not the entire Muslim world. That’s not every Muslim country. Right here in America we have groups that marry multiple wives and do all kinds of horrible things, should the rest of the world assume this is our whole country?

The movie that you referenced was a situation in 1984 in Iran.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

You justified your ignorance with what you saw in a movie about one person and one country? That’s not the entire Muslim world. That’s not every Muslim country. Right here in America we have groups that marry multiple wives and do all kinds of horrible things, should the rest of the world assume this is our whole country?

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Thanks for sharing your opinion. I will remember it.

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[Southern Dad]

Yes, I have done it.

They take great pride in their completely clean concrete sidewalks. I’ve never seen a piece of trash anywhere in Dubai or Abu Dhabi. Not a soft drink can, not a cigarette butt, nothing.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

They take great pride in their completely clean concrete sidewalks. I’ve never seen a piece of trash anywhere in Dubai or Abu Dhabi. Not a soft drink can, not a cigarette butt, nothing.

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How about Minneapolis?

How about Dearborn?




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[RoshawnMarkwees]

Right here in America we have groups that marry multiple wives and do all kinds of horrible things, should the rest of the world assume this is our whole country?

Not by law we don’t.

 

[Dragonlady]

No, if you aren’t going to have a discussion about a topic YOU have to be honest. 1993 was when the last state made a specific law for spousal rape. Rape has been illegal for a dang long time in this country. The first notable conviction for spousal rape was in 1979. The point is that rape, even of a spouse is not legal anywhere in this country.

As for gun ownership and restraining orders we either need to make it a lot harder to get a restraining order or we need to make it a lot easier to get rights restored afterwards. It is far too easy to just make an accusation and get a restraining order. There’s no adjudication of guilt.

Then you go on to Roe v Wade, the Supreme Court didn’t overturn it saying that snuffing out unwanted unborn tricycle motors was a bad thing or a good thing. They overturned it saying that it needed to either be decided by lawmakers either at the state level or the federal level, not by the judicial system.

Your dismissal of women's rights and concerns is, at best, facile.

A woman's basic right to self determination and medical care in the case of a pregnancy emergency, should not vary from state to state. As a male, you seem particularly clueless about the issues American women face.

I had two miscarriages when I was younger. Both required D&C's because my body didn't fully expel the tissue. The treatment I received is now illegal in 22 states, because D&C's are sometime used for surgical abortions, and because the 6 week limits had expired in both cases.

Politicians should NEVER be allowed to legislate medical procedures because they're not doctors. Since Roe v Wade was overturned, the maternal death rate from the complications of pregnancy in the USA, which was already the highest in the first world, has more than doubled. In states with abortion bans, it's reaching 60 women per 100,000 live births. It was 11 deaths 100,000 live births under Roe v Wade. In Norway, it's fewer than 2 deaths per 100,000 live births.

U.S. pregnancy-related deaths continuing to rise — Harvard Gazette

Study researcher says nation, which leads high-income peers in maternal mortality, needs better prenatal, extended postpartum care

news.harvard.edu

I am constantly reminded of Margaret Atwood's quote: Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.

You stand on the side that men killing women isn't a real problem because it's against the law.

 

[Dragonlady]

Not by law we don’t.

Under the "freedom of religion" doctrine, these people have the Constitutional right to their beliefs. How many of these people have been prosecuted for bigamy, or similar violations? Warren Jeffs was prosecuted for sexual relations with underage girls, not for bigamy.

Claim religious rights and you can do just about anything.

 

[playtime]

Then you go on to Roe v Wade, the Supreme Court didn’t overturn it saying that snuffing out unwanted unborn tricycle motors was a bad thing or a good thing. They overturned it saying that it needed to either be decided by lawmakers either at the state level or the federal level, not by the judicial system.

ummm....

it needs to be decided by the one with the uterus.

thanx for making MY POINT so easy...

dad....

 

[playtime]

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Watch the film, "Not Without My Daughter", the true story of an American woman who was stupid enough to go to an "Islamic" country with her Muslim husband, to learn that she was a prisoner there. Women simply have no rights there. It's a country where a woman can be executed for being the VICTIM of rape.

Sure, the wife stays home. Locked in. All day, every day, for the rest of her life, if that's what her husband wants.

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sally field.

great movie.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

sally field.

great movie.

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True story.

Mahtob Mahmoody, the daughter, grew up to be quite a beautiful woman.

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[Dragonlady]

Watch the film, "Not Without My Daughter", the true story of an American woman who was stupid enough to go to an "Islamic" country with her Muslim husband, to learn that she was a prisoner there. Women simply have no rights there. It's a country where a woman can be executed for being the VICTIM of rape.

Sure, the wife stays home. Locked in. All day, every day, for the rest of her life, if that's what her husband wants.

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The idiocy of recommending we watch a 35 year old American movie to learn about life in an Islamic nation, is laughable.

 

[Southern Dad]

How about Minneapolis?

How about Dearborn?

Are you serious? Minneapolis, Dearborn? Trash everywhere.

 

[PeterPilot]

Under the "freedom of religion" doctrine, these people have the Constitutional right to their beliefs. How many of these people have been prosecuted for bigamy, or similar violations? Warren Jeffs was prosecuted for sexual relations with underage girls, not for bigamy.

Claim religious rights and you can do just about anything.

Correct! Religious laws give us theocracy. Our own Noahide laws reflect Talmudic influence, and for that reason are unconstitutional.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

You mean like we protect women here in the U.S.A.? Can a woman walk down the street naked? No, she’ll get arrested or worse. We require women to wear clothing. Are we protecting them whether they want to be or not? Here’s you whine, “But that’s different…”

You are focusing on a single element, your perceived protection of women. The Islamic culture is more than that. A husband may legally kill his wife, pour acid in her face, cripple her and there is no right to even say no. You bring up the fact that Jewish women cover their hair and Amish women wear long skirts. The penalty for straying is not death, however.

A single woman can be raped without punishment. To even make the charge 3 men must witness the act. Even so, if the rape is done on the basis of humiliation, there is no crime.

You simply do not know enough about women and Islam to have a cogent opinion. It seems to be made on some sort of romanticized notions.

 

[Dragonlady]

Correct! Religious laws give us theocracy. Our own Noahide laws reflect Talmudic influence, and for that reason are unconstitutional.

The bald fact is that laws against rape, murder, theft, assault, and property crimes have NOTHING to do with any religion. These are necessary to prevent a breakdown of society. "Treating others as you would like to be treated" isn't just Jesus' great commandment. It's what is required for an orderly society.

The purpose of religion is to provide a framework for society to function and thrive. Even if you take all of the magical stuff and worship of God out of the three great religions, you're still left with a plan for society.