Zone1 What is the best example of an Islamic country?

[Southern Dad]

oh, you mean like when raping yer wife was legal? how'z about that rule of thimb thingy too? & here's a thought - forcing a woman to be an incubater would be the #1 reason why you are full of poo.

I don’t know of anywhere that raping someone is legal.

 

[playtime]

I don’t know of anywhere that raping someone is legal.

It wasn’t until 1978 that the first perpetrator was convicted of raping their spouse in the U.S. Before then, there was a common law presumption that “real rape” could only occur by a stranger and that forced sex was a “wifely duty.” Luckily ideas changed and, in the 1970s and ‘80s, states began adopting laws criminalizing marital rape. Women’s advocate Laura X, who took the name in 1969 at the age of 29 to symbolize her rejection of men's legal ownership of women, can be credited for outlawing marital rape in California in 1979 with her advocacy efforts. She then led campaigns in 45 other states which followed suit. By 1993, every state had made marital rape an illegal offense.
Can He Rape Me if We're Married?

 

[Southern Dad]

It wasn’t until 1978 that the first perpetrator was convicted of raping their spouse in the U.S. Before then, there was a common law presumption that “real rape” could only occur by a stranger and that forced sex was a “wifely duty.” Luckily ideas changed and, in the 1970s and ‘80s, states began adopting laws criminalizing marital rape. Women’s advocate Laura X, who took the name in 1969 at the age of 29 to symbolize her rejection of men's legal ownership of women, can be credited for outlawing marital rape in California in 1979 with her advocacy efforts. She then led campaigns in 45 other states which followed suit. By 1993, every state had made marital rape an illegal offense.
Can He Rape Me if We're Married?

Okay, what’s your point by posting this? As you stated marital rape is not legal in any state in this country.

 

[Dragonlady]

You ain't going to lose your freedom if America were to become Islamic. But that's not going to happen, because we don't have a national religion, even though you right-wing "Christian" nationalists want to enforce your version of shari'a on us.

They have to have SOMETHING to terrorize Americans over. In order to keep the base all riled up and voting MAGA, they have to inspire real fear in the people. Muslims have become the all purpose utility tool to inspire that fear.

Democrats will let Muslims in and they'll take over!!! Sharia law!!!!! Kill gays!!! It's not like they can say "Vote MAGA, and we'll crash the economy, destroy the environment, and end rights for everyone!", so they frighten people into voting for them.

 

[sartre play]

Do Muslim women in those countries really live in “horrible peril,” or is that oversold? Plenty seem fine with not having to work outside the home—men are expected to fully provide, cover all bills, and handle the financial stress so women can focus on family and home. No double-shift burnout, no daycare guilt. Motherhood gets huge cultural respect too.

Sure, problems exist in some places, but many women value that security and protected role over constant career grind. Before calling it total oppression, ask: Would a lot of Western moms trade places for a setup where the man carries the load and the wife stays home? Nuance matters—it’s not all doom.

Staying home would be nice. IF that's what a woman wants,
Been getting harder & harder to do that here.
Lots of things are being lost due to Money & power being more important.
There really is nothing wrong with an average life.
And everything wrong with those who demand you think & act as they do.

 

[PeterPilot]

They have to have SOMETHING to terrorize Americans over. In order to keep the base all riled up and voting MAGA, they have to inspire real fear in the people. Muslims have become the all purpose utility tool to inspire that fear.

Democrats will let Muslims in and they'll take over!!! Sharia law!!!!! Kill gays!!! It's not like they can say "Vote MAGA, and we'll crash the economy, destroy the environment, and end rights for everyone!", so they frighten people into voting for them.

Muslims and Russians, and of course North Koreans

 

[Vrenn]

Muslims and Russians, and of course North Koreans

And some cultures in the United States

 

[Dragonlady]

Okay, what’s your point by posting this? As you stated marital rape is not legal in any state in this country.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt. Have you every heard of a husband who was convicted of raping his wife? Just because marital rape is illegal doesn't mean it's prosecuted. Fewer than 30% of all rapes are reported, and for marital rape, that number drops to 3%.

Muslims and Russians, and of course North Koreans

Let's not forget the IMMIGRANTS!!!!

 

[playtime]

Okay, what’s your point by posting this? As you stated marital rape is not legal in any state in this country.

my point being that 1993 wasn't too long ago - & until then it WAS.

how'z that for protecting us of the weaker sex, again? domestic violence laws protect as well... when they're followed. too often they are not.

not to mention there was an attempt a couple yrs ago to restore gun ownership rights to those who have a restraining order against them - which is overwhelmingly female victims. luckily the supremes ruled 8-1 to keep the law intact, but it did make it all the way the food chain.

then again, they voted to overturn roe v wade, so that was the ultimate betrayal in protecting women folk.

 

[Southern Dad]

Staying home would be nice. IF that's what a woman wants,
Been getting harder & harder to do that here.
Lots of things are being lost due to Money & power being more important.
There really is nothing wrong with an average life.
And everything wrong with those who demand you think & act as they do.

The truth is that there was only a brief period of time where we had one parent working households in our country’s history. Prior to that time women worked, just on the farm not so much outside of the house. There were gardens, animals, sewing, and of course cooking to do. No one demands that people think and act as Muslims do. It is a choice to move to a predominantly Muslim country, just as it is a choice to move here.

Think about what our society forces upon people that many from other cultures find offensive.

 

[Southern Dad]

Denial is not just a river in Egypt. Have you every heard of a husband who was convicted of raping his wife? Just because marital rape is illegal doesn't mean it's prosecuted. Fewer than 30% of all rapes are reported, and for marital rape, that number drops to 3%.


Let's not forget the IMMIGRANTS!!!!

Okay, just to be clear, your position is that marital rape isn’t prosecuted? And that women do not report it? I can’t help you on the not reporting it part but if you research you will find that there are a lot, and I mean a lot of spousal rape convictions going all the way back to 1979. Here’s a few of the more natable ones. The cases are there if you want to search them.

• Massachusetts (1979): In Commonwealth v. Chretien, Richard Chretien was convicted of raping his estranged wife, Carmelina. He broke into her home and assaulted her. This is considered the first conviction for marital rape in the U.S. He was sentenced to 3-5 years in prison.

• New Jersey (post-1981 trial): In State v. Smith, Albert Smith was convicted of raping his estranged wife after breaking into her apartment, beating her, and assaulting her in front of their children. The case stemmed from a 1975 incident, and the New Jersey Supreme Court ruled in 1981 that no marital exemption applied under the circumstances, allowing the conviction to stand.

• Virginia (1984): In Weishaupt v. Commonwealth, Ronald Weishaupt was convicted of raping his wife after the couple had separated. The Virginia Supreme Court affirmed the conviction, establishing that a husband could be guilty if the marriage was effectively over and the wife had clearly revoked consent.

• New York (1984): In People v. Liberta, Mario Liberta was convicted of first-degree rape and sodomy against his estranged wife, Denise, in front of their young son. This was the first such conviction in New York, and the Court of Appeals struck down the state’s marital exemption as unconstitutional while upholding the conviction.

• Georgia (1985): In Warren v. State, Daniel Steven Warren was convicted of raping and committing aggravated sodomy against his wife while they were still living together. The Georgia Supreme Court ruled that no implicit marital exemption existed in the state’s statutes, affirming the possibility of such convictions.

 

[Southern Dad]

my point being that 1993 wasn't too long ago - & until then it WAS.

how'z that for protecting us of the weaker sex, again? domestic violence laws protect as well... when they're followed. too often they are not.

not to mention there was an attempt a couple yrs ago to restore gun ownership rights to those who have a restraining order against them - which is overwhelmingly female victims. luckily the supremes ruled 8-1 to keep the law intact, but it did make it all the way the food chain.

then again, they voted to overturn roe v wade, so that was the ultimate betrayal in protecting women folk.

No, if you aren’t going to have a discussion about a topic YOU have to be honest. 1993 was when the last state made a specific law for spousal rape. Rape has been illegal for a dang long time in this country. The first notable conviction for spousal rape was in 1979. The point is that rape, even of a spouse is not legal anywhere in this country.

As for gun ownership and restraining orders we either need to make it a lot harder to get a restraining order or we need to make it a lot easier to get rights restored afterwards. It is far too easy to just make an accusation and get a restraining order. There’s no adjudication of guilt.

Then you go on to Roe v Wade, the Supreme Court didn’t overturn it saying that snuffing out unwanted unborn tricycle motors was a bad thing or a good thing. They overturned it saying that it needed to either be decided by lawmakers either at the state level or the federal level, not by the judicial system.

 

[Dragonlady]

Okay, just to be clear, your position is that marital rape isn’t prosecuted? And that women do not report it? I can’t help you on the not reporting it part but if you research you will find that there are a lot, and I mean a lot of spousal rape convictions going all the way back to 1979. Here’s a few of the more natable ones. The cases are there if you want to search them.

• Massachusetts (1979): In Commonwealth v. Chretien, Richard Chretien was convicted of raping his estranged wife, Carmelina. He broke into her home and assaulted her. This is considered the first conviction for marital rape in the U.S. He was sentenced to 3-5 years in prison.

• New Jersey (post-1981 trial): In State v. Smith, Albert Smith was convicted of raping his estranged wife after breaking into her apartment, beating her, and assaulting her in front of their children. The case stemmed from a 1975 incident, and the New Jersey Supreme Court ruled in 1981 that no marital exemption applied under the circumstances, allowing the conviction to stand.

• Virginia (1984): In Weishaupt v. Commonwealth, Ronald Weishaupt was convicted of raping his wife after the couple had separated. The Virginia Supreme Court affirmed the conviction, establishing that a husband could be guilty if the marriage was effectively over and the wife had clearly revoked consent.

• New York (1984): In People v. Liberta, Mario Liberta was convicted of first-degree rape and sodomy against his estranged wife, Denise, in front of their young son. This was the first such conviction in New York, and the Court of Appeals struck down the state’s marital exemption as unconstitutional while upholding the conviction.

• Georgia (1985): In Warren v. State, Daniel Steven Warren was convicted of raping and committing aggravated sodomy against his wife while they were still living together. The Georgia Supreme Court ruled that no implicit marital exemption existed in the state’s statutes, affirming the possibility of such convictions.

5 in 6 years. Wow! I am so NOT impressed by these numbers given the MILLIONS of women who have said they've been raped by their husbands. And three of the couples had separated before the rape. Women all over the USA must feel safer knowing this.

Prosecuting ANY rapes would be great, given that less than 1% of rapes result in a conviction.

Get back to us when there is a meaningful level of prosecution of rapists. And you wonder why so many women are no longer interested in dating.

 

[DonGlock26]

Comparing Mohammad to Christ is apples and oranges.

Jesus never converted with the sword, never molested little girls, and treated women far better than the culture in which he was apart, such as the woman caught in adultery.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Mo made the cover of Military History Quarterly magazine.

 

[Southern Dad]

5 in 6 years. Wow! I am so NOT impressed by these numbers given the MILLIONS of women who have said they've been raped by their husbands. And three of the couples had separated before the rape. Women all over the USA must feel safer knowing this.

Prosecuting ANY rapes would be great, given that less than 1% of rapes result in a conviction.

Get back to us when there is a meaningful level of prosecution of rapists. And you wonder why so many women are no longer interested in dating.

You think that is all the convictions? No, that’s just a few that were easily searched. What exactly is your purpose in bringing this up? We both agree that no state allows marital rape. You want to focus on the past? Well, in the past the Democrats formed the KKK and hung a lot of black people. Should we condemn anyone who says they are Democrat today?

It’s not my fault that less than 1% of rapes end in a conviction. I am not a prosecutor. You clearly have some seriously hurt feelings. I didn’t do it. This thread is about what is the best example of an Islamic country. I gave the example of the UAE. Is it a perfect country? No, it’s not but what country is? You have provided us with examples of why the United States is not better than these Islamic countries. Now, I disagree with that position but you are allowed to have it.

 

[Dragonlady]

You think that is all the convictions? No, that’s just a few that were easily searched. What exactly is your purpose in bringing this up? We both agree that no state allows marital rape. You want to focus on the past? Well, in the past the Democrats formed the KKK and hung a lot of black people. Should we condemn anyone who says they are Democrat today?

It’s not my fault that less than 1% of rapes end in a conviction. I am not a prosecutor. You clearly have some seriously hurt feelings. I didn’t do it. This thread is about what is the best example of an Islamic country. I gave the example of the UAE. Is it a perfect country? No, it’s not but what country is? You have provided us with examples of why the United States is not better than these Islamic countries. Now, I disagree with that position but you are allowed to have it.

I didn’t bring this up. You did. And you continue to downplay the effect of rape on women.

No big deal. It’s illegal. Women are safe But the laws are useless if fewer than 1% of rapists end up in jail.

 

[Southern Dad]

I didn’t bring this up. You did. And you continue to downplay the effect of rape on women.

No big deal. It’s illegal. Women are safe But the laws are useless if fewer than 1% of rapists end up in jail.

I haven’t downplayed anything, this thread is also not about marital rape in the USA. You’ve got a crusade going and it doesn’t allow you to focus on the topic at hand. Which is the best Muslim majority country in the world. That has nothing to do with the prosecution of rape in the United States.

 

[westwall]

Why should we pretend to think that once a country becomes majority Islamic, that our freedoms will remain?

Dubai. UAE. Kuwait is pretty cool too.

 

[Southern Dad]

Dubai. UAE. Kuwait is pretty cool too.

I agree, although Dubai is a city in the UAE rather than a country. Kuwait is pretty interesting too visit, as well. Of course, when I went to Kuwait they were very happy to see Americans.

 

[westwall]

I agree, although Dubai is a city in the UAE rather than a country. Kuwait is pretty interesting too visit, as well. Of course, when I went to Kuwait they were very happy to see Americans.

I separated Dubai out because it is particularly friendly to foreigners. Unless you're a scumbag. Then not so much.