Zone1 What is race realism?

[Lisa558]

There were no lower admission standards for blacks at Harvard.

Yes. There. Were.

Whites with GPas and exam scores that had them laughed out of the place saw blacks with LOWER GPAs and exam scores get accepted.

Happens at the grad level, as well.

 

[IM2]

I would debate, those, but somehow you wouldn't be listening, IM2. I will say this, I am right wing, but I'm not a racist, so your statement is a fallacy.

You can't logically debate the statement you made about the 1964 Civil Rights Act being a problem. That's akin to saying that signing the emancipation proclamation created problems because in essence the 1964 Civil Rights Act was our second emancipation proclamation.. And Meister your last sentence made me laugh. Nobody here is a racist, but we just keep seeing threads like this, comments from multiple posters like Lisa who you never attack, while you attack anyone black who opposes such people.

 

[Lisa558]

You can't logically debate the statement you made about the 1964 Civil Rights Act being a problem. That's akin to saying that signing the emancipation proclamation created problems because in essence the 1964 Civil Rights Act was our second emancipation proclamation.. And Meister your last sentence made me laugh. Nobody here is a racist, but we just keep seeing threads like this, comments from multiple posters like Lisa who you never attack, while you attack anyone black who opposes such people.

Maybe he’s not attacking me, the way you relentlessly do, because he realizes that being opposed to using race as a factor in deciding who gets into a specific college or job is not racist. In fact, it’s the opposite - the admissioms standards for blacks, whites, and Asians should all be identical, and no special tests to advantage one specific race and disadvantage another should be permitted.

 

[AZrailwhale]

No they are not.

I have stated that not all whites are racists on far too many occasions to be accused of that. But I know why you try making this claim.

All whites are not racists, pointing out white racism is not an indictment of all white people.

I notice that you by pass debunked overt anti black falsehoods to make your comment. Why are you not adressing those comments with the vigor you do to blacks?

Yeah, you have stated that not all whites are racist, but over and over and over again you have labelled anyone who disagrees with you a racist. So only whites that agree with your every utterance and whim aren't racist in your eyes. At least be honest with yourself even if you aren't going to be honest with the rest of us.

 

[IM2]

Yes. There. Were.

Whites with GPas and exam scores that had them laughed out of the place saw blacks with LOWER GPAs and exam scores get accepted.

Happens at the grad level, as well.

No Lisa they weren't. Harvard has minimum admission standards all students must meet. None of those standards were lowered for blacks. Every black person admitted to Harvard met those standards.

“Using publicly released reports, we examine the preferences Harvard gives for recruited athletes, legacies, those on the dean’s interest list, and children of faculty and staff (ALDCs). Among white admits, over 43% are ALDC. Among admits who are African American, Asian American, and Hispanic, the share is less than 16% each. Our model of admissions shows that roughly three quarters of white ALDC admits would have been rejected if they had been treated as white non-ALDCs. Removing preferences for athletes and legacies would significantly alter the racial distribution of admitted students, with the share of white admits falling and all other groups rising or remaining unchanged.”

Daniella Silva, Study on Harvard finds 43 percent of white students are legacy, athletes, related to donors or staff, https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/study-harvard-finds-43- percent-white-students-are-legacy-athletes-n1060361

Peter Arcidiacono, Josh Kinsler, Tyler Ransom, National Bureau Of Economic Research, Legacy And Athlete Preferences At Harvard, Working Paper 26316, Legacy and Athlete Preferences at Harvard

 

[AZrailwhale]

There were no lower admission standards for blacks at Harvard.

Well, in a few months we'll see if SCOTUS agrees with you.

 

[IM2]

Maybe he’s not attacking me, the way you relentlessly do, because he realizes that being opposed to using race as a factor in deciding who gets into a specific college or job is not racist. In fact, it’s the opposite - the admissioms standards for blacks, whites, and Asians should all be identical, and no special tests to advantage one specific race and disadvantage another should be permitted.

Race has been used as a factor from day one in this country and it has consistently favored whites. Your argument ignores this. There are no special tests or anything else for blacks. Asians get the same affirmative action as all other minority groups and white women.

The inequality created by white favoritism is not going to be fixed by returning to white favoritism.

 

[Coyote]

1) Every black person admitted to Harvard met Harvard’s LOWER standards for blacks.

What do you have to support this “every black person” claim? I recall an earlier thread about a black girl accepted into every Ivy League school, a rare achievemen’t for any one.

2) You keep quoting the percentage of the population, as though that justifies lowering standards to admit a number that would “match” their percentages in the general. That is the issue! Revising and designing tests so as to get people in relative to their percentages is racist.

What if the initial tests tend to favor the dominant racial group?

3) And of course most college students are white. Most of the U.S. population is white. Duh.

Sorry, but starting with the admission cycle for the 2024-2025 academic year, blacks will not be getting the advantage of special tests to get them admitted at a rate equivalent to the percentage in the general population. They will have to compete with whites and Asians.

Yet far more admissions slots are held for legacy, donor and athletic admissions than black. There are also other minorities such as Native American, Hispanic etc. Why just blacks singled out?

 

[Lisa558]

No Lisa they weren't. Harvard has minimum admission standards all students must meet. None of those standards were lowered for blacks. Every black person admitted to Harvard met those standards.

Yes, and they SPECIFICALLY lowered those admission standards until enough black applicants met them so as to comprise 14% of the student body. They knew, though, that the average grades and scores of admitted black students were so far below whites and Asians who were rejected that they had to come uo with the bogus personality test to justify it.

I worked in the field. I know what goes on.

“Using publicly released reports, we examine the preferences Harvard gives for recruited athletes, legacies, those on the dean’s interest list, and children of faculty and staff (ALDCs). Among white admits, over 43% are ALDC. Among admits who are African American, Asian American, and Hispanic, the share is less than 16% each. Our model of admissions shows that roughly three quarters of white ALDC admits would have been rejected if they had been treated as white non-ALDCs. Removing preferences for athletes and legacies would significantly alter the racial distribution of admitted students, with the share of white admits falling and all other groups rising or remaining unchanged.”

Daniella Silva, Study on Harvard finds 43 percent of white students are legacy, athletes, related to donors or staff, https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/study-harvard-finds-43- percent-white-students-are-legacy-athletes-n1060361

Peter Arcidiacono, Josh Kinsler, Tyler Ransom, National Bureau Of Economic Research, Legacy And Athlete Preferences At Harvard, Working Paper 26316, Legacy and Athlete Preferences at Harvard

 

[AZrailwhale]

You can't logically debate the statement you made about the 1964 Civil Rights Act being a problem. That's akin to saying that signing the emancipation proclamation created problems because in essence the 1964 Civil Rights Act was our second emancipation proclamation.. And Meister your last sentence made me laugh. Nobody here is a racist, but we just keep seeing threads like this, comments from multiple posters like Lisa who you never attack, while you attack anyone black who opposes such people.

Actually, the Emancipation Proclamation DID create problems, both for the Confederacy and the newly "freed" slaves in areas under Confederate control who had nowhere to go or anyone to defend them from their former owners. It was designed to create problems for the Confederacy, it was an act of economic warfare.

 

[Lisa558]

Race has been used as a factor from day one in this country and it has consistently favored whites. Your argument ignores this. There are no special tests or anything else for blacks. Asians get the same affirmative action as all other minority groups and white women.

Asians DO NOT get Affirmative Action benefit! What do you think the SCOTUS case is about? They were rejected due to Asians being unlikeable, despite their exemplary grades and scores.

 

[Coyote]

Yes. There. Were.

Whites with GPas and exam scores that had them laughed out of the place saw blacks with LOWER GPAs and exam scores get accepted.

Happens at the grad level, as well.

When you focus on race alone you ignore a lot. The following groups all get some degree of degree of preferential treatment, in some cases greater than you attribute to blacks:

Legacy admissions
Children of doners
Athletes
Residents of that state
Native Americans
Hispanics
First generation college students
Women

In some cases a student incorporates multiple categories.

Is a monochrome (racial, ethnic, gender or class) student body desirable?

 

[IM2]

Asians DO NOT get Affirmative Action benefit! What do you think the SCOTUS case is about? They were rejected due to Asians being unlikeable, despite their exemplary grades and scores.

Yes they do get Affirmative Action. Now here is where you show that you don't have the first clue of what AA is and just like with the current right wing opposition to CRT, you bought into race baited bs.

Affirmative action in the United States is the active effort to improve employment, educational, and other opportunities for members of groups that have been subjected to discrimination. Criteria for affirmative action include race, disability, gender identity, sexual orientation, ethnic origin, and age.

Affirmative action | Definition, History, & Cases

Affirmative action, effort in the United States to improve employment or educational opportunities for members of minority groups and for women.

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Affirmative action in the United States protects people on the grounds of race, disability, gender identity, sexual orientation, ethnic origin, and age. It does this by giving limited preferences to groups that have faced long-standing discrimination in job hiring, admission to institutions of higher education, the awarding of government contracts, and other social benefits.

Affirmative action | Definition, History, & Cases

Affirmative action, effort in the United States to improve employment or educational opportunities for members of minority groups and for women.

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None of this says that affirmative action is just for blacks. Whatever favoritism goes to blacks, goes to Asians, Hispanics, Pacific Islanders, Native American ALL WOMEN, ALL RACES who are handicapped, ALL RACES who are gay and trans trans male or female, a white man who is old, or veterans.

Asians faced past discrimination. Asians are a protected group as it pertains to Affirmative Action.

The supreme court is listening to a case that was appealed by a white racist named Edward Blum that was rejected by a lower court. Edward Blum has tried for years to end Affirmative Action. He's the one who took the Fisher case that had been rejected once before by the supreme court back through a rejection by a district court that he appealed to the supreme court.

You were shown that Asians were not discriminated against at Harvard.

Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President & Fellows of Harvard College, First Circuit Holds that Harvard’s Admissions Program Does Not Violate the Civil Rights Act., Harvard Law Review 2021/05/students-for-fair-admissions-inc-v-president-andfellows-of-harvard-college

 

[IM2]

Yes, and they SPECIFICALLY lowered those admission standards until enough black applicants met them so as to comprise 14% of the student body. They knew, though, that the average grades and scores of admitted black students were so far below whites and Asians who were rejected that they had to come uo with the bogus personality test to justify it.

I worked in the field. I know what goes on.

No, you don't know what's going on. No standards were lowered for blacks at Harvard.

 

[Unkotare]

Why do stupid low gpa whites get admitted into college because of legacy? ...

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[Unkotare]

Asians DO NOT get Affirmative Action benefit! What do you think the SCOTUS case is about? They were rejected due to Asians being unlikeable, despite their exemplary grades and scores.

"Unlikeable"?
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[BackAgain]

I’ll just go ahead and say it. I suspect that the entire construct of “race” (other than the “human race”) is an illusion.

Differences in things like skin color and the folds in the eyelid and other pretty irrelevant phenotype differences don’t seem to matter much in the big scheme of things. How we all perceive such differences has led to an array of negative consequences. And those consequences may be something that has impacted the various “races.” But that’s not a product of genetics.

 

[toobfreak]

Race realism is the belief that race is an important biological classification of humans and that the races differ in average characteristics necessary for the creation and maintenance of successful societies and civilizations. These are intelligence, obedience to the law, and monogamy. That the average Oriental, the average white person, and the average Negro differ in these characteristics is apparent, and easy to document.

Well Friend, it isn't "racism" to admit what anyone with common sense not blinded by political correctness can tell you:

Obviously, there MUST be differences between the races otherwise we could not define various people BY race! After all, what is race really, but not only physical differences which reflect differences in location, climate and environment but also differences stemming from each individual society, culture, philosophy, history, beliefs, and upbringing.

It is the sum of all of this over millennia and centuries that makes up a "race."

As such, each will differ from the others in many subtle, obvious, important and not so important ways. To say we are all the same is pure stupidity, but to say one is better or worse is mostly opinion or perspective because after all, even a car is made up of many parts yet who can say which is most important or better, the headlight, the tire, the windshield or the steering wheel?

 

[IM2]

Well Friend, it isn't "racism" to admit what anyone with common sense not blinded by political correctness can tell you:

Obviously, there MUST be differences between the races otherwise we could not define various people BY race! After all, what is race really, but not only physical differences which reflect differences in location, climate and environment but also differences stemming from each individual society, culture, philosophy, history, beliefs, and upbringing.

It is the sum of all of this over millennia and centuries that makes up a "race."

As such, each will differ from the others in many subtle, obvious, important and not so important ways. To say we are all the same is pure stupidity, but to say one is better or worse is mostly opinion or perspective because after all, even a car is made up of many parts yet who can say which is most important or better, the headlight, the tire, the windshield or the steering wheel?

Racial realism is nothing more than racist bs.

 

[IM2]

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