What are you talking about?no, now the US government is playing on the side of China, this is the left flank
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What are you talking about?no, now the US government is playing on the side of China, this is the left flank
Hope you're right but I just don't see how the competing parties could keep it contained to regional conflicts between proxies. Russia has no proxy to sacrifice as I see it, and that means Russian troops will die at American hands. Or at Ukrainians hands and that can't be acceptable to Russia.There won't be any world war. Stop falling to this silly Russian propaganda. Some compromise will be find concerning European security.
I no longer take you seriously on this topic.I'm talking about the left movement. Ultra-left China + left-wing US government = Great alliance. They have common goals: a world totalitarian state.
The stage may be being set now to enlist proxy forces in Kazakhstan.
Kazakhstan and Ukraine are two issues which don't coincide directly. Basically, the odds are higher that the Central Asian region will be the place of a struggle between Russia and China, rather than the US.Hope you're right but I just don't see how the competing parties could keep it contained to regional conflicts between proxies. Russia has no proxy to sacrifice as I see it, and that means Russian troops will die at American hands. Or at Ukrainians hands and that can't be acceptable to Russia.
None of the three leading contenders will accept military defeat and America would almost certainly have to keep it limited to a proxy war. The stage may be being set now to enlist proxy forces in Kazakhstan. I don't see that as being possible in Ukraine.
Maybe America is stepping back from the Ukraine project, in favour of Kazakhstan being the much bitter prize. There's no bigger prize for all parties, but I suggest that Russia and China will cooperate and share the spoils if their side should win through other means than military.
Another war between great powers is not in the wishes of any of the major powers. We should all know by now that the great powers only meet through proxies. I'm sure you must understand what that means. The main issue to either you or the Kazakhs is irrelevant, being that they are pawns in the bigger game. The main issue is always the outcome that will decide which of the major powers will own Kazakhstan.That at this moment is NOT the main issue. Not to me. Nor to Kazakhs. The main issue is what is best for the people in this part of the world — and another war between great powers, a foreigners’ “struggle to gain control” of Kazakhstan’s resources, is definitely just about the LAST thing that is needed here!
You seem to be suggesting there will be no struggle for that country. I have to suggest that is rather naive Tom. But I think you must have read the Brasil link I posted because you're much more into the details now from the other perspective that was missing.The utterly corrupt family/clan/patronage network ruling the country up to this time was at least sufficiently unified to hold in check both Western and Russian or Chinese appetites to dominate the country, while allowing for economic development. THAT is the way things should remain in terms of ALL the great powers!
Kazakhstan just sitting there for the foreseeable future, with now loyalties or ties to one of the competing sides?? Really?That is also the best guarantee for peace and domestic harmony and all around future development. The next priority is of course spreading the economic gains fairly, which certainly will require social/economic reforms and democratization of the political system.
If there is no revolution or revolutionary attempts originating out of protests, then the US hasn't set the stage adequately, and you would be right for a short while at least.If such changes can / must happen rapidly through “revolution” that would be fine with me. But given the real situation in the country this is extremely unlikely. There is at present no such revolutionary force in Kazakhstan. There is not even a genuinely democratic party. Such a force or party sure as hell will not be encouraged by ANY of the great contending powers!
Basically, the odds are higher that the Central Asian region will be the place of a struggle between Russia and China, rather than the US.
If you are implying that there will be a China-Finland border, then I don't believe in that. Russia will remain to be a strong regional player.Why should China fight Russia if Russia is already giving everything away? The Chinese already consider the territory of Russia to be a continuation of the Celestial Empire, they do not care about some kind of struggle, they simply silently populate Siberia and the Urals, take their islands and expropriate resources. Siberian timber is transported from Siberia around the clock by freight trains.
You're asking me to accept that America isn't actively involved in a power move to acquire Kazakhstan. Incredible! You're calling checkmate instead of moving you first pawn.Kazakhstan and Ukraine are two issues which don't coincide directly. Basically, the odds are higher that the Central Asian region will be the place of a struggle between Russia and China, rather than the US.
Possibly, but America would be giving up gained ground of Ukraine loyalties to Russia. The reality of the situation is that America attempted a bridge too far with the Crimea, and should have known all along that Russia could never accept America's bid. America isn't likely to pull out of the game with less than it went in with!About the 'Ukraine project'. I think there will be some agreement establishing a buffer zone comprising of Belarus, Ukraine and Moldova and their neutrality.
As an appendage of Europe? Can independent players be export economies, especially raw materials? The currency board mechanism operates there, the central bank converts export earnings into assets of foreign governments. This is clearly not a sign of independent player politics.If you are implying that there will be a China-Finland border, then I don't believe in that. Russia will remain to be a strong regional player.
Wouldn't that be in a wonderful make-believe world!Basically, the odds are higher that the Central Asian region will be the place of a struggle between Russia and China, rather than the US.
Donald, with al respect to US milirary capability, it is lost in vain because your elite is so dumb to rely on force only.Not a puppet but sympathetic to Russia.
Undoubtedly anti-government protests will take place, on behalf of the US and it's claims of bringing democracy.
It could be a wet dream, as you suggest. Ukraine could be a wet dream too. I'm more concerned with Russia's resolve to stand their ground and that could lead to world war.
And as with US occupations, air power to back up the ground forces. Illegal occupation or invited guests?
I don't think Russia is interested in territorial gains, as opposed to holding the lines.
ually reserve my best polemics for cynics...
A more cynical view is that I’m entertaining only myself by revealing the silly errors of others.
I’d like to believe that naive ideologues like Donald H — depending on his age and personality — can actually still learn how to think. Others can take my comments any way they want.
That is very wise. The man is a raving lunatic.[directed at Rupol…] “I no longer take you seriously on this topic.”
I don't ask you anything. I just express my opinion, which can be right or wrong. I don't rule out at all that the recent violent protests in Kazakhstan were instigated by warring clans there, without foreign involvement.You're asking me to accept that America isn't actively involved in a power move to acquire Kazakhstan. Incredible! You're calling checkmate instead of moving you first pawn.
Possibly, but America would be giving up gained ground of Ukraine loyalties to Russia. The reality of the situation is that America attempted a bridge too far with the Crimea, and should have known all along that Russia could never accept America's bid. America isn't likely to pull out of the game with less than it went in with!
However, Kazakhstan could be the new front and Ukraine may be relinquished and be replaced for the much bigger prize. It's hard for me to say whether or not America can establish two active fronts together.
There is absolutely no doubt that China wants and needs a safe presence in Kazakh, and America needs to deny China that. I see the best possibility of a strong China/Russia alliance in that country.
For cattle, everyone seems crazy whose picture of the world does not correspond to the picture of their zombie brain. The same sheep shouted that those who reject scholasticism and do not believe in creation in 7 days are crazy.That is very wise. The man is a raving lunatic.