What Is An "Imminent" Threat?

[Zavulon]

What difference does it make if a nuke goes off in Wash DC 6 months from now.

Why it should? If you don't attack Iran, Iran won't attack you. They do know, that their out of blue decapitation attack on Washington won't destroy the USA, but US retaliation will destroy Iran.

 

[Hafar1014]

Why it should? If you don't attack Iran, Iran won't attack you. They do know, that their out of blue decapitation attack on Washington won't destroy the USA, but US retaliation will destroy Iran.

Iran has threatened to attack America and Israel with nukes

 

[Independent thinker]

Why it should? If you don't attack Iran, Iran won't attack you. They do know, that their out of blue decapitation attack on Washington won't destroy the USA, but US retaliation will destroy Iran.

Boy are you naive. Iran took our hostages 50 years ago and have been chanting death to America ever since.

 

[Zavulon]

Iran has threatened to attack America and Israel with nukes

So what? Russia also had threatened to attack America and Europe with nukes. As well as Americans has threatened to attack Russians with nukes?
It's ok. What is important, is actual capabilities. And with few Uranium bombs, Iran won't acquire "The credible First Strike Capability". You know, the Credible First Strike Capability is not just abour capability to attack first. It's about capability attack first and survive after it.

 

[Zavulon]

Boy are you naive. Iran took our hostages 50 years ago and have been chanting death to America ever since.

Hey, Russians have been killing Americans in much larger amounts, and they still have a lot of songs about killing Americans (and/or finishing America). So what?
Russians will actually nuke America (and then suffer significant, but acceptable damage) only when alternative scenarios will be worse.

 

[toomuchtime_]

So what? Russia also had threatened to attack America and Europe with nukes. As well as Americans has threatened to attack Russians with nukes?
It's ok. What is important, is actual capabilities. And with few Uranium bombs, Iran won't acquire "The credible First Strike Capability". You know, the Credible First Strike Capability is not just abour capability to attack first. It's about capability attack first and survive after it.

If you are confident Iran is seeking nukes that can reach the US, it is just plain stupid to wait until they have to take action and prevent them from being able to build the nukes. That means preventing Iran from enriching uranium or building long range missiles.

 

[Zavulon]

If you are confident Iran is seeking nukes that can reach the US,

I'm not confident. It would be smart for them to earn some deterrence capabilities. If I were them, I would pretty pro-nuclear. But I can't be sure that they, even now, really changed their opinion.

it is just plain stupid to wait until they have to take action and prevent them from being able to build the nukes.

There were many ways to prevent it. Most of them were destroyed by the USA.

That means preventing Iran from enriching uranium or building long range missiles.

When you violate NPT and attack a non-nuclear country that follows NPT, you just force other non-nuclear countries to acquire nukes. And you can't attack Japan, Germany, Brazil and Mexico simultaneously.

 

[TNHarley]

Should all the countries trump has threatened, gang up and invade us?
After all, threats are now an imminent threat...

None of you war mongering parasites have answered this question.

 

[toomuchtime_]

I'm not confident. It would be smart for them to earn some deterrence capabilities. If I were them, I would pretty pro-nuclear. But I can't be sure that they, even now, really changed their opinion.


There were many ways to prevent it. Most of them were destroyed by the USA.


When you violate NPT and attack a non-nuclear country that follows NPT, you just force other non-nuclear countries to acquire nukes. And you can't attack Japan, Germany, Brazil and Mexico simultaneously.

Every US administration has been confident Iran was seeking nuclear weapons and long range missiles to reach the US so it would be stupid of them to wait until that threat is Imminent.

Clearly the ayatollahs' decision to seek nuclear weapons an long range missiles to reach the US was stupid. None of what Iran is suffering now would have happened if Iran had agreed to stop enriching uranium.

The NPT was signed by the Shah's government and the ayatollahs have have in near constant violation of the NPT treaty since seizing power.

AI Overview



Iran has been found in breach of its Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) obligations, specifically its IAEA Safeguards Agreement, by failing to declare nuclear materials and activities, maintaining clandestine facilities, and limiting inspector access. Major violations include undeclared uranium, failure to report nuclear facility construction, and developing, post-2003, activities relevant to nuclear weapon development.
International Peace Institute +4
Key violations and actions by Iran include:

• Undeclared Nuclear Material: In 2022-2025, Iran failed to adequately report uranium particles found at multiple undeclared sites, including a warehouse in Tehran and the Jaber Ibn Hayan Multipurpose Laboratory.
• Breach of Safeguards: The IAEA has repeatedly identified in 2006, 2020, and 2025 that Iran has failed to comply with its NPT Safeguards Agreement.
• Limited Inspector Access: Iran has denied, restricted, or delayed access to key facilities and failed to provide information requested by the IAEA.
• Weapons Feasibility Studies: As noted by the International Peace Institute and other analysis, Iran conducted activities related to a "nuclear explosive device" through 2003, with some activity occurring later, say reports on the FPA site.
• Increased Enrichment: Iran has produced 60% enriched uranium and expanded its centrifuge capacity, challenging the international framework.
  International Peace Institute +7

Key Investigations:

• U.N. Security Council: The IAEA board referred Iran to the U.N. Security Council in 2006 following three years of investigations into hidden activities.
• Ongoing Non-compliance: The IAEA declared in June 2025 that Iran was in breach of its obligations.
• Potential Withdrawal: Iran has threatened to leave the NPT as a result of rising tensions and IAEA

 

[Zavulon]

Every US administration has been confident Iran was seeking nuclear weapons and long range missiles to reach the US so it would be stupid of them to wait until that threat is Imminent.

They were confident, because if they were in Iranian shoes and would think about how to defend all their natural resources, they wouldn't be able to do it without nukes and long-range missiles. They knew that American threat for Iran is absolutely real, and Americans can't be stopped by the words and diplomacy.

But religious Iranian leadership, seems, actually believed in Allah and His capability to protect Iran even without nukes. May be, they still believe in it (and there are discussions about possibility of the changing this course).

Clearly the ayatollahs' decision to seek nuclear weapons an long range missiles to reach the US was stupid.

No. Ayatollahs decision to not seek nuclear weapons and long range missiles was stupid. Americans want to steal Iranian oil and nukes is the only way to stop them.

None of what Iran is suffering now would have happened if Iran had agreed to stop enriching uranium.

If Iran agreed to stop its nuclear program, it would be invader and destroyed much earlier, as it happened with Syria, Iraq and Libya.

The NPT was signed by the Shah's government and the ayatollahs have have in near constant violation of the NPT treaty since seizing power.

AI Overview



Iran has been found in breach of its Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) obligations, specifically its IAEA Safeguards Agreement, by failing to declare nuclear materials and activities, maintaining clandestine facilities, and limiting inspector access. Major violations include undeclared uranium, failure to report nuclear facility construction, and developing, post-2003, activities relevant to nuclear weapon development.
International Peace Institute +4
Key violations and actions by Iran include:

• Undeclared Nuclear Material: In 2022-2025, Iran failed to adequately report uranium particles found at multiple undeclared sites, including a warehouse in Tehran and the Jaber Ibn Hayan Multipurpose Laboratory.
• Breach of Safeguards: The IAEA has repeatedly identified in 2006, 2020, and 2025 that Iran has failed to comply with its NPT Safeguards Agreement.
• Limited Inspector Access: Iran has denied, restricted, or delayed access to key facilities and failed to provide information requested by the IAEA.
• Weapons Feasibility Studies: As noted by the International Peace Institute and other analysis, Iran conducted activities related to a "nuclear explosive device" through 2003, with some activity occurring later, say reports on the FPA site.
• Increased Enrichment: Iran has produced 60% enriched uranium and expanded its centrifuge capacity, challenging the international framework.
  International Peace Institute +7

Key Investigations:

• U.N. Security Council: The IAEA board referred Iran to the U.N. Security Council in 2006 following three years of investigations into hidden activities.
• Ongoing Non-compliance: The IAEA declared in June 2025 that Iran was in breach of its obligations.
• Potential Withdrawal: Iran has threatened to leave the NPT as a result of rising tensions and IAEA

We both know that all this is the same lie as it was about Iraq.