What Is American Socialism, Communism, and Marxism: Open Q&A

[SeaMajor7]

The Reality of Red Subversion
The Recent Confirmation of Soviet Espionage in America
STEPHEN J. SNIEGOSKI • SEPTEMBER 1, 2003

"...
During the 1990s, the release of the Venona documents (see p. 49) by the U.S. government and the partial opening of the Soviet archives forced establishment minds to a reconsideration. Yes, Virginia, there really were Communist spies in the United States during the so-called “McCarthy era.” In fact, it now appears that even the slandered and smeared “red-baiters” of the period were unaware of just how far Soviet Communist subversion had penetrated. It must be added that even during the period of the so-called “witch hunt” there was more than enough evidence to prove the reality of Soviet Communist spying to any objective person. But, of course, if one is going to pass for an “educated,” “respectable” person, objective thinking must be eschewed—it’s simply not a Darwinian survival trait in modern America.

From Lenin onward Soviet Communist leaders have preached the necessity of underground activities, with foreign governments the key target for infiltration. The evidence for this from many countries is overwhelming. Communists in government engaged in espionage and acted to influence policy in a pro-Soviet direction. Many of the individuals engaged in these activities were Communist Party members; others were fellow travelers, who despite their lack of party discipline, sought to advance the interests of Soviet Communism."

The Reality of Red Subversion
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The nearly CENTURY long Marxist Leninist Stalinist struggle is REAL!
What's worse is that every retarded communist revolution that occurred in the 20th century needed MASS MURDER to come to DEAD ON THE VINE fruition!!!

 

[Red Front]

Great, thanks for telling me you're clueless so I can stop wasting my time on you. The left has that thing where you actually believe that if people just listened to you we'd fold and vote Democrat and that we don't proves we are "ignoring" your answers. Nope, your ideas are stupid, I was listening fine. Have a great day, and Go Blue!

You're obviously the one whose ignorant, by equating democratic communism with the Democratic party. What makes you think I want you to vote democrat? You're quite confused.

 

[Red Front]

The Reality of Red Subversion
The Recent Confirmation of Soviet Espionage in America
STEPHEN J. SNIEGOSKI • SEPTEMBER 1, 2003

"...
During the 1990s, the release of the Venona documents (see p. 49) by the U.S. government and the partial opening of the Soviet archives forced establishment minds to a reconsideration. Yes, Virginia, there really were Communist spies in the United States during the so-called “McCarthy era.” In fact, it now appears that even the slandered and smeared “red-baiters” of the period were unaware of just how far Soviet Communist subversion had penetrated. It must be added that even during the period of the so-called “witch hunt” there was more than enough evidence to prove the reality of Soviet Communist spying to any objective person. But, of course, if one is going to pass for an “educated,” “respectable” person, objective thinking must be eschewed—it’s simply not a Darwinian survival trait in modern America.

From Lenin onward Soviet Communist leaders have preached the necessity of underground activities, with foreign governments the key target for infiltration. The evidence for this from many countries is overwhelming. Communists in government engaged in espionage and acted to influence policy in a pro-Soviet direction. Many of the individuals engaged in these activities were Communist Party members; others were fellow travelers, who despite their lack of party discipline, sought to advance the interests of Soviet Communism."

The Reality of Red Subversion
______________________________
The nearly CENTURY long Marxist Leninist Stalinist struggle is REAL!
What's worse is that every retarded communist revolution that occurred in the 20th century needed MASS MURDER to come to DEAD ON THE VINE fruition!!!

Of course, there were Soviet spies in the US, even before the Cold War, but the McCarthy-fueled red scare was a gross mischaracterization of the Soviet agenda and the objectives of communism. McCartherism, did indeed go on a witch hunt, violating the rights of many Americans by stripping them of their livelihoods and demonizing all American socialists and communists. It was persecution, ironically, after the Soviet Union had sacrificed 27 million people fighting Nazism. The USSR was invaded by four million German Nazis in WW2. Seven out of every ten Germans were fighting on the Eastern Front. If it wasn't for the USSR, we would now all be saluting a flag with a Swastika on it, shouting, "Sieg Heil!" or "Heil Hitler!".

 

[Soupnazi630]

Of course, there were Soviet spies in the US, even before the Cold War, but the McCarthy-fueled red scare was a gross mischaracterization of the Soviet agenda and the objectives of communism. McCartherism, did indeed go on a witch hunt, violating the rights of many Americans by stripping them of their livelihoods and demonizing all American socialists and communists. It was persecution, ironically, after the Soviet Union had sacrificed 27 million people fighting Nazism. The USSR was invaded by four million German Nazis in WW2. Seven out of every ten Germans were fighting on the Eastern Front. If it wasn't for the USSR, we would now all be saluting a flag with a Swastika on it, shouting, "Sieg Heil!" or "Heil Hitler!".

Wrong

Mccarthy violated the rights of NO ONE and cost no one trheir lively hood.

yes the USSR fought hard against the nazis but this was satan fighting the devil.

 

[Soupnazi630]

That's cold war propaganda. Full of half-truths and even complete fabrications. Hear what these former CIA officers have to say about creating false propaganda against communists:

Harpal Brar interviewed about the history of Soviet communism

Harpal Brar, chair of the Communist Party of Great Britain-ML

www.youtube.com

Death toll arguments don't work, because capitalism doesn't have the moral high ground when it comes to death and destruction.

No it is not.

Sorry foolish one but it IS the communist spreading the propaganda.

The death tool argument IS valid because no one was ever murdered in the name of capitalism.

Tens of millions were however murdered by communist governments to ENFORCE communism

 

[Soupnazi630]

Socialism is working now. You're contradicting yourself, saying that the democrats are "socialists" or commies, for supporting government policies that are common in Western Europe. Communism is the objective of socialism, and it is defined as a stateless society, without socioeconomic classes or the need for money. There has never been a truly communist state, but rather a socialist one. The USSR for example was the Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics. Do you see the word "communist" there?

Socialism is what allows capitalism to continue functioning without collapsing on itself. Every few years, the government has to step in and bail out the capitalist with public funds. Without that government intervention, the economy would crumble, causing an immense amount of harm.

Wrong.

the government does not HAVE to bail out anyone. Bailing out a business is wrong but it is not baling out capitalism in general.

Your obfuscation is a failure

 

[sparky]

You're quite confused.

to be honest, there's a lot of that in America right now Red one

the elements of extremism , be it far left Or right often insidiously infiltrate ,all with the jingoist sheep blatting approval

ashame we can't get some octogenarian german to opine on that here.......
~S~

 

[Red Front]

That is just a word game. I was talking to a Jewish friend once who had lived in an Israeli Kibbutz. He made the point you just did except you used family as the example and said he had loved it there. He asked what the difference was between his experience and socialism at a national level.

I thought about it and said:

1) Everyone in your Kibbutz was there by choice, not coercion
2) Everyone in your community knew each other and were personally accountable to everyone in the community. In socialism there are layers and layers of bureaucracy that become corruption

He thought for a moment and then agreed with me. Then we had another round of beers. My answer to him addresses your question

Your Israeli friend was obviously ignorant of socialism. Socialism doesn't require any more "bureaucracy" than capitalism. Your claim that socialism is this monolithic, cookie-cut, rigid system, that can't evolve or adapt, is just a cynical attempt to demonize and misrepresent it. There are several ways to do socialism, just as there are several ways to do capitalism or democracy, or a long list of other economic and political systems. Your arbitrary, disingenuous definitions and demands on socialism, do nothing to elucidate it.

As conditions change in the future, due to advanced automation technology, the need for socialism will become much more apparent to everyone.

 

[Red Front]

Well, I disagree in your view that Democrats using different words to describe what they want than the words Marxists use makes them different when what you want is exactly the same thing. Actually, it makes them both very much the same since a key part of Marxism is lying to your victims so you can enslave them and become fabulously wealthy

What are the policies that make Democrats Marxists?

 

[Invisibleflash]

If we were ants or bees, we could be good communists. But it does not work for greedy, self-centered humans in complex societies.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Your Israeli friend was obviously ignorant of socialism. Socialism doesn't require any more "bureaucracy" than capitalism. Your claim that socialism is this monolithic, cookie-cut, rigid system, that can't evolve or adapt, is just a cynical attempt to demonize and misrepresent socialism. There are several ways to do socialism, just as there are several ways to do capitalism or democracy, or a long list of other economic and political systems. Your arbitrary, disingenuous definitions and demands on socialism, do nothing to elucidate it.

As conditions change in the future, due to advanced automation technology, the need for socialism will become much more apparent to everyone.




than capitalism.

Yes it does,

Socialsim is always tyrannical and demands massice bureaucracy intruding on every detail of ebvery persons private life to ensure obediance.

This is WHY it is absolutely a fact that socialism cannot evolve or adapt,. People always reject it have to be forced into it.

Yes the facts elucidate why your ideals are a failure

As conditions change in the future socialism will be left farther and farther behind as a failed system

 

[whitehall]

How is "American" socialism, communism and Marxist ideology different from conventional definitions?

 

[Red Front]

If we were ants or bees, we could be good communists. But it does not work for greedy, self-centered humans in complex societies.

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Humans who are conditioned by capitalist conditioning, think that they're inherently greedy as capitalists are, but actually one could just as easily argue that human beings are more cooperative than cut-throat competitors looking to take everything for themselves. In the not-too-distant future, advanced automation technology is going to force society by necessity to adopt a non-profit mode of production, also known as socialism. Democratic communism follows non-profit socialism. It's the objective of socialism.

 

[Oddball]

We've been arguing with a chatbot that a HS sophomore programmed!

 

[Orangecat]

Here’s what it boils down to for me:
If you support taxing some people more than others so the government can hand out money to people who do nothing to earn it, I oppose you.
Call it whatever name you want.

 

[Invisibleflash]

Your Israeli friend was obviously ignorant of socialism. Socialism doesn't require any more "bureaucracy" than capitalism. Your claim that socialism is this monolithic, cookie-cut, rigid system, that can't evolve or adapt, is just a cynical attempt to demonize and misrepresent it. There are several ways to do socialism, just as there are several ways to do capitalism or democracy, or a long list of other economic and political systems. Your arbitrary, disingenuous definitions and demands on socialism, do nothing to elucidate it.

As conditions change in the future, due to advanced automation technology, the need for socialism will become much more apparent to everyone.




than capitalism.

Better be on the right side of the gun bub, when you get your commie utopia!

But you are correct that something will have to give with automation. We built our world on crude oil and capitalism. Now that America makes very little, and the crude production is peaking, we are in for a world of difference. you can't build your world one way only to have the rug pulled out.

Maybe they will force everyone into pods?

You can't blame the kids 'too much' for being commies. not many options for them now that the Ponzi scheme is nearing a pop.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Humans who are conditioned by capitalist conditioning, think that they're inherently greedy as capitalists are, but actually one could just as easily argue that human beings are more cooperative than cut-throat competitors looking to take everything for themselves. In the not-too-distant future, advanced automation technology is going to force society by necessity to adopt a non-profit mode of production, also known as socialism. Democratic communism follows non-profit socialism. It's the objective of socialism.

Capitalism involves no conditioning son it is simply what humans naturally do ass opposed to socialism and communism which goes against human nature and therefore ALWAYS fails.

In the distant future the advanced technolofy will ACTUALLY force humans to become less centralized which means more capitalist.

The profit motive will be more needed than ever because advanced technology CANNOT work on its own nor can it innovate

Innovagtion requires human minds with no restriction or interference from the state which is what ciuommunism and socialism is. The more advanced the tech the more innovation and freedom is required which means PROFIT motive

 

[Oddball]

 

[Invisibleflash]

What is your purpose of introducing a discussion on communism? I'll make a guess in the interest of getting the discussion going on a productive track.

China's capitalism which contains a large amount of social responsibility to their people, is leaving greedy capitalism behind. Therefore, examining China's system as being representative of communism, is where I'll start the discussion off.

But is that your purpose in showing that America's capitalist style is failing? Or do you have another purpose?

Maybe providing an example of communism or socialism either failing or succeeding in America would be helpful to understanding your purpose?

I think China is not pure communism. It is some fort of capitalist-based communism with few boundaries when it comes to their exports. I don't know what you call it. If it was pure commie, they would not have tons of China billionaires.

 

[Invisibleflash]

Well, if kids can't get decent work or live, you figure why not try something new.

Families are socialist units. They all contribute to the good of the family and share equally. But that is a family and not Chicago.