Zone1 What Is All This "Christian Nation" Stuff?

[Robert W]

Marxist ideology is currently playing a part in China's success that is unequalled by any other political ideology known in history.

China. Russia, and the Brics alliance is predicted to become the world's leading economic and military force.

Western Capitalism and Democracy lost the advantage when it was perverted by America's political clusterfk, my friend.

Trump's promise to end the war against Russia could spell the end of America's political influence in the world.

It could become the final death rattle for Democracy, if he succeeds.

I have no god. There's no evidence for any of them.

Is their evidence you had a grandfather or grandmother? Can you produce either to us?

 

[Zincwarrior]

A nation that allows divorce profanes Jesus Christ ... see how whoremongers run our government now ...

Democracy pleases Satan ... God gave us a Kingdom ...

What nation doesn't allow divorce?

 

[Robert W]

Marxist ideology is currently playing a part in China's success that is unequalled by any other political ideology known in history.

China. Russia, and the Brics alliance is predicted to become the world's leading economic and military force.

Western Capitalism and Democracy lost the advantage when it was perverted by America's political clusterfk, my friend.

Trump's promise to end the war against Russia could spell the end of America's political influence in the world.

It could become the final death rattle for Democracy, if he succeeds.

I have no god. There's no evidence for any of them.

The United States

• According to 2 sources

As of 2023, the United States maintains its position as the world’s largest economy, with a Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of approximately $26.954 trillion. Following the United States, China holds the second spot with a GDP of about $17.786 trillion.

Top 10 World’s Largest Econ…​

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[Donald H]

So, Catholics, by the Pope's decree, are no longer Christians?

No, I would suggest that they are still 'Christians', but in my opinion and in the opinions of the other Christiand churches, they are compromised Christians.

There can't be Darwinian evolution and all the creation baloney too, as is being promoted by the CC.

I'm always interested in hearing Catholics trying to make the contradictions work. Let's do it all over again!

 

[Robert W]

FDR was fine with Hitler taking other countries. He never met a dictator he didn't like.

Munich Agreement, (September 30, 1938), settlement reached by Germany, Great Britain, France, and Italy that permitted German annexation of the Sudetenland in western Czechoslovakia. After his success in absorbing Austria into Germany proper in March 1938, Adolf Hitler looked covetously at Czechoslovakia, Munich Agreement | Definition, Summary, & Significance

This concerns me today the way Trump shunts Ukraine aside to mollify Putin and talks as when Putin invaded Ukraine he was correct to do this.
I was born under FDR so have a view of him others might absolutely hate.

Today the UN want to bat for Ukraine and said so at the meeting held today.

 

[Donald H]

The United States

• According to 2 sources

As of 2023, the United States maintains its position as the world’s largest economy, with a Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of approximately $26.954 trillion. Following the United States, China holds the second spot with a GDP of about $17.786 trillion.

Top 10 World’s Largest Econ…​

geeksforgeeks.org

Sorry America, China has a bigger economy than you

Measures that show the opposite have absurd implications and dangerous policy prescriptions

www.ft.com

 

[PoliticalChic]

We can't discuss anything if you're going to fall back on spamming again. Final warning!

You remain as full of effluvia as a sock is as full of foot.


When are you leaving for China?

 

[PoliticalChic]

There is no requirement. "We find ourselves (by providence) in the peaceful possession of the fairest parts of the earth..." A. Lincoln. No one in Lincoln's day would deny that America was a Christian nation. Even those who never set foot in a church believed this.

So, when did America cease to be a Christian nation?

It never was.

Washington, Franklin welcomed Jews, and I recall reading something along those lines re: Muslims.


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Yes, George Washington welcomed Jews and other religious groups to the United States by supporting freedom of worship and religious liberty.

Explanation

• In 1790, Washington wrote a letter to the Hebrew Congregation in Newport, Rhode Island. In the letter, he:
  
  • Stated that the new nation would not sanction bigotry or assist persecution
    
    
  • Assured that the government would not interfere with religious beliefs
    
    
  • Embraced the idea that religious liberty is a natural right
    
    
  • Quoted the Bible's Old Testament to reassure that people would be able to worship in safety
    
• Washington's letter is considered a stepping stone to the First Amendment, which was passed in 1791.
  
  
• Washington's support of religious liberty led other religious communities to seek his affirmation. For example, a Jewish congregation in Savannah, Georgia, praised Washington for his "unexampled liberality".
  
  
• Washington was the first head of a modern nation to openly acknowledge Jews as full citizens.

 

[PoliticalChic]

A nation that allows divorce profanes Jesus Christ ... see how whoremongers run our government now ...

Democracy pleases Satan ... God gave us a Kingdom ...

Speaking of Satan......who'd you vote for?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Slavery was also legal, only white male property owners could vote, and we were busy passing out blankets to the natives.

Please post before you begin drinking.

 

[Foxfyre]

Just a message for our government school grad pals, who never heard the truth.

1. 9 of the original 13 states required one to be a Bible-believing Christian to hold office

2.All 13 required a declaration of faith

3.9 of 13 required you to be a Protestand, Maryland a Catholic

4. All the state constitutions required "I profess Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior"

5. 55 of 56 signers of the Declaration were Bible-believing church attending Christians

6. Common law itself comes from Blackstone, who was Christian, and common law comes from the Scriptures

7. God is mentioned four times in the Declaratioin

8. "We appeal to the Supreme Judge of the Universe" is a phrase most commonly found in the Declaration of Independence, signifying that the authors are invoking God as the ultimate authority to validate their actions and intentions in declaring independence from Great Britain; essentially, asking God to judge the righteousness of their cause.

9.There is a specific reference to Christ in the Constitution, after article 7.

10.The book most quoted anywhere at the time of our founding was Deuteronomy, with Moses talking about how government should be set up.

11. John Adams said, “Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
From Charlie Kirk:


Now, why isn't this taught in history in government school?

And in time--all before the turn of the 19th Century--all the little theocracies had pretty much dissolved themselves and no new ones developed unless you want to count Brigham Young and the Mormons as a theocracy when they went to Utah. (They no longer are now.) But basic Christian values/attitudes continued to be the norm in pretty much all of American culture and society.

Because of that, religious freedom for all faiths has been mostly tolerated and allowed free rein throughout the USA.

Over time the anti-America, anti-religion activists including organizations like the ACLU have managed to mostly erase most Christian influence from our culture and governments to our great detriment.

Hopefully with an administration who again promotes and protects religious freedoms, that pendulum can start swinging back for the good of all.

 

[PoliticalChic]

This concerns me today the way Trump shunts Ukraine aside to mollify Putin and talks as when Putin invaded Ukraine he was correct to do this.
I was born under FDR so have a view of him others might absolutely hate.

Today the UN want to bat for Ukraine and said so at the meeting held today.

I would rather wait to see if he can engineer a conclusion to that war before I complain about how he does it.

Eye on the prize kinda thing.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Sorry America, China has a bigger economy than you

Measures that show the opposite have absurd implications and dangerous policy prescriptions

www.ft.com

But you're still hiding in the People's Republic of Canadia?????

 

[Leo123]

I would rather wait to see if he can engineer a conclusion to that war before I complain about how he does it.

Eye on the prize kinda thing.

Yep, its all part of negotiation.

 

[fncceo]

“Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's”

What happens when “Caesar” decides too much of your money and property needs to be rendered him?

 

[PoliticalChic]

And in time--all before the turn of the 19th Century--all the little theocracies had pretty much dissolved themselves and no new ones developed unless you want to count Brigham Young and the Mormons as a theocracy when they went to Utah. (They no longer are now.) But basic Christian values/attitudes continued to be the norm in pretty much all of American culture and society.

Because of that, religious freedom for all faiths has been mostly tolerated and allowed free rein throughout the USA.

Over time the anti-America, anti-religion activists including organizations like the ACLU have managed to mostly erase most Christian influence from our culture and governments to our great detriment.

Hopefully with an administration who again promotes and protects religious freedoms, that pendulum can start swinging back for the good of all.

God willing.


And, He has.

Annuit cœptis (/ˈænuɪt ˈsɛptɪs/, Classical Latin: [ˈannʊ.ɪt ˈkoe̯ptiːs]) is one of two mottos on the reverse side of the Great Seal of the United States. The literal translation is "[He] favors (or "has favored") [our] undertakings", from Latin annuo ("I approve, I favor"), and coeptum ("commencement, undertaking"). Because of its context as a caption above the Eye of Providence, the standard translations are "Providence favors our undertakings" and "Providence has favored our undertakings."<a href="Annuit cœptis - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a>

 

[PoliticalChic]

What happens when “Caesar” decides too much of your money and property needs to be rendered him?

You elect Trump.

Have you seen his tax reduction plan, and Musk's idea to return savings to tax payers?

 

[Foxfyre]

This concerns me today the way Trump shunts Ukraine aside to mollify Putin and talks as when Putin invaded Ukraine he was correct to do this.
I was born under FDR so have a view of him others might absolutely hate.

Today the UN want to bat for Ukraine and said so at the meeting held today.

We've argued this on another thread. Trump has the best instincts I've ever witnessed in how to identify and solve problems and negotiate a deal. Zelensky has so far resisted any effort to reach a peace agreement and that is why Trump chose to ignore him until he is ready to deal and negotiate. If Zelensky had made any effort to actually work out a deal all could live with, he would have been fully included.

However this thread is about a nation built on Christian values and concepts and how that makes it a great country for non Christians as well as Christians. How about we focus on that here and do the discussion on the Russia/Ukraine war on threads appropriate for that?

 

[PoliticalChic]

We've argued this on another thread. Trump has the best instincts I've ever witnessed in how to identify and solve problems and negotiate a deal. Zelensky has so far resisted any effort to reach a peace agreement and that is why Trump chose to ignore him until he is ready to deal and negotiate. If Zelensky had made any effort to actually work out a deal all could live with, he would have been fully included.

However this thread is about a nation built on Christian values and concepts and how that makes it a great country for non Christians as well as Christians. How about we focus on that here and do the discussion on the Russia/Ukraine war on threads appropriate for that?

The Wall Street Journal

https://www.wsj.com › world › white-house-and-ukraine-close-in-on-deal-for-mineral-rights-e924c672

White House and Ukraine Close In on Deal for Mineral Rights​

3 days agoThe U.S. and Ukraine are near a deal to hand valuable mineral rights to the U.S., an agreement the Trump administration has sought as compensation for military aid to fight off Russia's invasion ...

 

[BreezeWood]

No one in Lincoln's day would deny that America was a Christian nation

that would only be the southern turncoat, slave owning christian fundamentalist in their wild dreams they somehow were vested in heavenly attributes using their christian bible as reason to start the civil war and continue the persecution and victimization of the innocent.

- or fear for their own safety.