What if Trump declares a State of Emergency to build his Wall

[JGalt]

"What if Trump declares a State of Emergency to build his Wall"

Then he’ll further demonstrate just how desperate, wrongheaded, and arrogant he truly is.

It will be further confirmation of Trump’s contempt for our democratic institutions, the rule of law, and the will of the majority of the American people.

And it will further confirm the fact that Trump is indeed a liar and completely dishonest, as there is no ‘emergency’ on the Southern border:

U.S. Unauthorized Immigration Total Lowest in a Decade

I don't care about the "majority of the American people." We don't live under mob rule, nor is this a "Democracy". It's a "Constitutional Republic", the the Constitution stipulates that the the purpose of government is to protect its citizens.

President Trump has taken it upon himself to do what every other previous President has neglected to do along our southern border. You are not going to convince one single solitary Trump-supporter otherwise, so you might as well quit wasting your time.

 

[cutter]

Why don’t we just have a mandatory 10yrs in prison for everyone caught in our country illegally followed by deportation. But you say they have kids. Well do what we do to kids of citizens incarcerated in this country and put them in foster care. While they are in prison they can farm for prison consumption, make the cloths the prisoners wear, do prison maintenance, for which they will earn enough to pay for their prison stay. After 10yrs we send them home, withtheir kids.

 

[BS Filter]

Only 275,000 people voted for pelosi, and 60 million voted for Trump. Therefore, Pelosi can go to hell.

 

[22lcidw]

Anyone opposing the wall should be named as a co-defendant in each of the murder trials that will follow the inevitable murders of actual Americans by illegals. Oh, let's not forget, the death penalty is the only effective deterrent to recidivism.

A wall won't work and is a waste of money, that's why it's being opposed.

Untrue. El Paso, TX built a wall and the illegal border crossing dropped 89%. Crime also dropped significantly.

https://nypost.com/2018/01/13/we-already-have-a-border-wall-and-it-works/

Yuma County, AZ built one and crime dropped 91%

Walls work, says Arizona sheriff who claims crime dropped by 91 percent thanks to border fence

San Diego built one and border apprehensions went down 95%, from 100,000 a year to 5,000 a year.

San Diego Fence Provides Lessons in Border Control

The meager cost of President Trump's wall is far less than the massive amount of resources and lives illegals cost this country.

If only anyone knew what the fuck Trump meant by "A Wall". He's changed the description so many times that no one knows what he wants anymore.

You'd think that the recent House resolution for a 'Smart Wall' would have satisfied him. It included funding for sections of physical obstacles in critical location - which is what he asked for in his last speech.

If Trump truly wanted border security, he would have accepted the 'Smart Wall'.

Trump apparently does not care about real border security. He just wants a $57bil check so he can build a 2000 mile long monument to himself.

Hadrian had his wall in Scotland, now Trump wants one like it.

Many families over the last five decades have seen the pain of drugs. Deaths in their families. Loss of their wealth. Impoverishment. The politicians paid lip service to this. Still do. And we have not even got to the cost of illegals.

 

[JGalt]

Anyone opposing the wall should be named as a co-defendant in each of the murder trials that will follow the inevitable murders of actual Americans by illegals. Oh, let's not forget, the death penalty is the only effective deterrent to recidivism.

A wall won't work and is a waste of money, that's why it's being opposed.

Untrue. El Paso, TX built a wall and the illegal border crossing dropped 89%. Crime also dropped significantly.

https://nypost.com/2018/01/13/we-already-have-a-border-wall-and-it-works/

Yuma County, AZ built one and crime dropped 91%

Walls work, says Arizona sheriff who claims crime dropped by 91 percent thanks to border fence

San Diego built one and border apprehensions went down 95%, from 100,000 a year to 5,000 a year.

San Diego Fence Provides Lessons in Border Control

The meager cost of President Trump's wall is far less than the massive amount of resources and lives illegals cost this country.

If only anyone knew what the fuck Trump meant by "A Wall". He's changed the description so many times that no one knows what he wants anymore.

You'd think that the recent House resolution for a 'Smart Wall' would have satisfied him. It included funding for sections of physical obstacles in critical location - which is what he asked for in his last speech.

If Trump truly wanted border security, he would have accepted the 'Smart Wall'.

Trump apparently does not care about real border security. He just wants a $57bil check so he can build a 2000 mile long monument to himself.

Hadrian had his wall in Scotland, now Trump wants one like it.

The Democrat's idiotic "smart wall" will only make some rich, fat Chinese industrialists richer, fatter and happier.

Where the hell do you think all that high-tech gadgetry is going to come from, anyway? Better off spending the money here in in this country, while creating more jobs, than for the money going to Chinese tech companies.

 

[Taz]

Anyone opposing the wall should be named as a co-defendant in each of the murder trials that will follow the inevitable murders of actual Americans by illegals. Oh, let's not forget, the death penalty is the only effective deterrent to recidivism.

A wall won't work and is a waste of money, that's why it's being opposed.

Perhaps you would like to explain why the Dems supported a border wall in large numbers a decade ago if it's a waste of money. And BTW, the current sections of a wall has worked very well for San Diego, Yuma, and El Paso, not to mention numerous other places around the world where border walls are being erected, care to explain that?

Walls only work when they are manned, otherwise a ladder or shovel will defeat them.

 

[22lcidw]

Anyone opposing the wall should be named as a co-defendant in each of the murder trials that will follow the inevitable murders of actual Americans by illegals. Oh, let's not forget, the death penalty is the only effective deterrent to recidivism.

A wall won't work and is a waste of money, that's why it's being opposed.

Perhaps you would like to explain why the Dems supported a border wall in large numbers a decade ago if it's a waste of money. And BTW, the current sections of a wall has worked very well for San Diego, Yuma, and El Paso, not to mention numerous other places around the world where border walls are being erected, care to explain that?

Walls only work when they are manned, otherwise a ladder or shovel will defeat them.

Move military bases there.

 

[Taz]

Anyone opposing the wall should be named as a co-defendant in each of the murder trials that will follow the inevitable murders of actual Americans by illegals. Oh, let's not forget, the death penalty is the only effective deterrent to recidivism.

A wall won't work and is a waste of money, that's why it's being opposed.

Untrue. El Paso, TX built a wall and the illegal border crossing dropped 89%. Crime also dropped significantly.

https://nypost.com/2018/01/13/we-already-have-a-border-wall-and-it-works/

Yuma County, AZ built one and crime dropped 91%

Walls work, says Arizona sheriff who claims crime dropped by 91 percent thanks to border fence

San Diego built one and border apprehensions went down 95%, from 100,000 a year to 5,000 a year.

San Diego Fence Provides Lessons in Border Control

The meager cost of President Trump's wall is far less than the massive amount of resources and lives illegals cost this country.

Because the people just went to where the border isn’t manned.

 

[Correll]

Anyone opposing the wall should be named as a co-defendant in each of the murder trials that will follow the inevitable murders of actual Americans by illegals. Oh, let's not forget, the death penalty is the only effective deterrent to recidivism.

A wall won't work and is a waste of money, that's why it's being opposed.

That might be your view and that's legit.

Ignoring the fact that the majority of the opposition is opposed because they want, for varying reasons, to allow unlimited flow of illegals,

is not a legitimate position.

 

[WillowTree]

Anyone opposing the wall should be named as a co-defendant in each of the murder trials that will follow the inevitable murders of actual Americans by illegals. Oh, let's not forget, the death penalty is the only effective deterrent to recidivism.

A wall won't work and is a waste of money, that's why it's being opposed.

Is that what Nancy told you?

 

[Taz]

Anyone opposing the wall should be named as a co-defendant in each of the murder trials that will follow the inevitable murders of actual Americans by illegals. Oh, let's not forget, the death penalty is the only effective deterrent to recidivism.

A wall won't work and is a waste of money, that's why it's being opposed.

Perhaps you would like to explain why the Dems supported a border wall in large numbers a decade ago if it's a waste of money. And BTW, the current sections of a wall has worked very well for San Diego, Yuma, and El Paso, not to mention numerous other places around the world where border walls are being erected, care to explain that?

Walls only work when they are manned, otherwise a ladder or shovel will defeat them.

Move military bases there.

Sure, you’d have to put more boots on the ground for anything to work.

 

[Taz]

Anyone opposing the wall should be named as a co-defendant in each of the murder trials that will follow the inevitable murders of actual Americans by illegals. Oh, let's not forget, the death penalty is the only effective deterrent to recidivism.

A wall won't work and is a waste of money, that's why it's being opposed.

Is that what Nancy told you?

Look at a castle, if they don’t man the wall, a ladder defeats it.

 

[JGalt]

Anyone opposing the wall should be named as a co-defendant in each of the murder trials that will follow the inevitable murders of actual Americans by illegals. Oh, let's not forget, the death penalty is the only effective deterrent to recidivism.

A wall won't work and is a waste of money, that's why it's being opposed.

Untrue. El Paso, TX built a wall and the illegal border crossing dropped 89%. Crime also dropped significantly.

https://nypost.com/2018/01/13/we-already-have-a-border-wall-and-it-works/

Yuma County, AZ built one and crime dropped 91%

Walls work, says Arizona sheriff who claims crime dropped by 91 percent thanks to border fence

San Diego built one and border apprehensions went down 95%, from 100,000 a year to 5,000 a year.

San Diego Fence Provides Lessons in Border Control

The meager cost of President Trump's wall is far less than the massive amount of resources and lives illegals cost this country.

Because the people just went to where the border isn’t manned.

You mean like the parts of the border where Obama's "border security" just consisted of vehicle barriers? Illegals have just been simply walking right through those areas. Trump's wall will require a 30-foot ladder to get over, and won't be susceptible to being dug under, thanks to the concrete footings.

Even in the places which have a sufficient border wall, hundreds of illegals are being apprehended at one time when they try to cross.

 

[JGalt]

Anyone opposing the wall should be named as a co-defendant in each of the murder trials that will follow the inevitable murders of actual Americans by illegals. Oh, let's not forget, the death penalty is the only effective deterrent to recidivism.

A wall won't work and is a waste of money, that's why it's being opposed.

Perhaps you would like to explain why the Dems supported a border wall in large numbers a decade ago if it's a waste of money. And BTW, the current sections of a wall has worked very well for San Diego, Yuma, and El Paso, not to mention numerous other places around the world where border walls are being erected, care to explain that?

Walls only work when they are manned, otherwise a ladder or shovel will defeat them.

Move military bases there.

Sure, you’d have to put more boots on the ground for anything to work.

Actually a wall requires fewer agents, and free them up to watch the entry points.

 

[Billy_Bob]

If the 15th of Feb rolls around and no deal is reached where he gets a border wall, what then? Trump declares a state of emergency, then what? Seems obvious, the Dems find a federal judge somewhere that puts a national restraining order on it. Ah, but what then? And on what grounds? Maybe Trump bypasses the Circuit Court (probably the 9th) and asks the DC Court of Appeals or the SCOTUS to rule on the restraining order, what then? I don't know about the makeup of the DC Court, but I do think there ought to be some limits on what a federal district judge can do outside of his jurisdiction, and that would be a good thing to get resolved. I'm guessing the DC Court or the current SCOTUS will rule in his favor, especially if RBG is unable to participate by then.

JMO, and I'm no legal expert, but I wouldn't be surprised if the higher Courts lift the restraining order, at least for the entire nation. Maybe the Court would decide that the federal judge can issue a restraining order for his district, but the person has no authority to do so for the whole country. At least not without sufficient grounds, which I doubt would exist. And IMHO Trump gets his wall.

That's the way I see this thing going, Congress doesn't have the balls to do their jobs anymore, obviously our best interests are secondary to their own. Could the higher Courts side with the lower court judge? Yeah, but that's too much power in the hands on one unelected individual if you ask me. And the Dems have to know, that whenever a future President is a Dem, the GOP will be doing the same damn thing to him/her. But that would be down the road, and nobody gives a damn about the future anymore.

Here is how this is going to play out.

*Trump will declare a national emergency citing national security .

*Democrats will run to the Ninth Circuit court to get an injunction. Which will be granted even though the SCOUTS has stated in previous rulings, that a single lower court, has no authority over national security matters.

*Trump will appeal to SCOTUS citing the previous ruling where the Ninth Circuit Court will receive a beat down and the wall will begin to be built.

* Congress has no authority to do anything for 6 months and by then all monies Trump can gather will be under contract. The wall will get built by the military and sub-contractors at a frantic rate.

This is my take on the situation given recent case law and Trumps constitutional powers.

 

[JGalt]

Anyone opposing the wall should be named as a co-defendant in each of the murder trials that will follow the inevitable murders of actual Americans by illegals. Oh, let's not forget, the death penalty is the only effective deterrent to recidivism.

A wall won't work and is a waste of money, that's why it's being opposed.

Is that what Nancy told you?

Look at a castle, if they don’t man the wall, a ladder defeats it.

Like you're going to climb a 30-foot ladder on one side, then jump to the other side without breaking every bone in your legs?

Please show us how that's done.

 

[Billy_Bob]

The damage has been done.
President Trump has successfully branded the Democrats as open borders anti-American bigots.

On the 15th of next month this will be a clear an irremovable brand.. And Trump will look like the reasonable one (he already does)

 

[Taz]

Anyone opposing the wall should be named as a co-defendant in each of the murder trials that will follow the inevitable murders of actual Americans by illegals. Oh, let's not forget, the death penalty is the only effective deterrent to recidivism.

A wall won't work and is a waste of money, that's why it's being opposed.

Is that what Nancy told you?

Look at a castle, if they don’t man the wall, a ladder defeats it.

Like you're going to climb a 30-foot ladder on one side, then jump to the other side without breaking every bone in your legs?

Please show us how that's done.

Ladder and a rope. Sheesh, you’re dumb. No wonder a wall makes sense to you.

 

[JGalt]

Why don’t we just have a mandatory 10yrs in prison for everyone caught in our country illegally followed by deportation. But you say they have kids. Well do what we do to kids of citizens incarcerated in this country and put them in foster care. While they are in prison they can farm for prison consumption, make the cloths the prisoners wear, do prison maintenance, for which they will earn enough to pay for their prison stay. After 10yrs we send them home, withtheir kids.

Beats shooting them.

And it's alot less messier.

 

[JGalt]

Anyone opposing the wall should be named as a co-defendant in each of the murder trials that will follow the inevitable murders of actual Americans by illegals. Oh, let's not forget, the death penalty is the only effective deterrent to recidivism.

A wall won't work and is a waste of money, that's why it's being opposed.

Is that what Nancy told you?

Look at a castle, if they don’t man the wall, a ladder defeats it.

Like you're going to climb a 30-foot ladder on one side, then jump to the other side without breaking every bone in your legs?

Please show us how that's done.

Ladder and a rope. Sheesh, you’re dumb. No wonder a wall makes sense to you.

So if it's according to you impossible to stop illegal border crossings, why not just tear down all fences and access points, and resign ourselves?

The same logic applies to the idiotic "minimum working wage." Why $12? Why $15?

Why not make it $30 per hour? Why not $100 per hour?