What happens when we tax the rich.

Or they grow their business and become very successful. However, most business fail within five years anyway.
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Exactly like most government programs don't work. They are both run by the same people: HeirHeads and their no-talent flunkies.

Workoholic zombies are jacks of all trades and masters of none. In order to become dictators and avoid sharing power, they take on too many divisions of their businesses.
 
The rich are NOT the people who produce goods....the laborers are the people who produce goods....and if the rich as you call them, paid those workers who produce for them a profit thru their excess from their own labor... more money and cover their once near full healthcare insurance benefit, or raise their incomes so they don't need govt assistance to survive or to make it to middle class, then govt assistance programs would NOT be needed for the working class, as it is now.
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And those too lazy to work deserve no entitlements. The other half of that is that richkids deserve no trust funds, inheritances, and Daddy-paid tuition. They should no more get those untitled aristocracy entitlements than the son of a convict should have to serve out the rest of the convict's punishment if he dies before he is due to be released. Always we're made to believe things as stupid as when you win nothing from a lottery ticket, you get your money back.

The snakes claimed that Ken Lay's estate didn't have to pay back for what he stole at Enron because the heirs didn't do that. But why should they get to keep stolen money, or even honestly made money they didn't make themselves? Thinking they should is destroying America and it will, because everybody listens to these mouthpieces for guillotine fodder.
 
Just from taxes from the rich? I don't think so.

JFK fought for lower taxes across the board, which happened after his death. The economy flourished.

FDR's "New Deal" was complicated. Lot's of money was borrowed. Guess who bought the federal notes, the rich. So, the rich helped end the depression by buying federal notes.

They also likely turned in the most gold, which put $Billions (in today's money) into the economy in fiat Federal Reserve Notes.

The jury is still out on the New Deal, as it morphed into Fed borrowing for the war, borrowing that literally created a new economy out of thin air (read, more borrowing).
It created the greatest middle class the world has ever seen before. The envy of the world. Baby boomers had it great. Then they grew up and told us sorry we can't have it was good as they had it. Cuts to social security and medicare. Stagnant wages. No pensions. No job security.

No not JUST from taxing the rich. To solve what's wrong with America we need to start paying employees more and CEO's less. You've seen the stat that from 1978 to now CEO pay went up 1322% and our pay only 18%?

Also consider these rich people who aren't paying their fair share are also the same people hiring illegals. That makes them richer and us poorer too. They rob from the middle class. Trump's an example of this. He has benefited from dodging taxes and hiring illegals. His corporations were found guilty of both.
 
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The Eweniversity has always been designed specifically for the RichKid Reich. They are the wolves pretending to be student sheep.

It's even been recognized that, because other students have to do menial jobs to pay for room and board, only the Preppy Progressives have the time to run student groups and determine the agenda.
College used to be affordable until the colleges got greedy.
 
Thank you for your concern. I saved so much in taxes under Trump I bought a beach house last term. I am thinking mountain home this term.
Good for you. I only saved about $2200/yr. Not enough for a beach house but I'm not complaining.
 
It created the greatest middle class the world has ever seen before. The envy of the world. Baby boomers had it great. Then they grew up and told us sorry we can't have it was good as they had it. Cuts to social security and medicare. Stagnant wages. No pensions. No job security.

No not JUST from taxing the rich. To solve what's wrong with America we need to start paying employees more and CEO's less. You've seen the stat that from 1978 to now CEO pay went up 1322% and our pay only 18%?

Also consider these rich people who aren't paying their fair share are also the same people hiring illegals. That makes them richer and us poorer too. They rob from the middle class. Trump's an example of this. He has benefited from dodging taxes and hiring illegals. His corporations were found guilty of both.

We need more protections in place to protect the economy. We're far too generous with the people's money.

Hiring cheap immigrant labor, legal or illegal, is a huge mistake.

If the budget was "balanced on the backs of the poor", the poor could be said to have made a contribution. However, we are creating a larger poor class, and the budget still isn't balanced.
 
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I would (have) helped my kids through trade school if they went that way but college? Who can afford that?
Us, for now. If and when we have grandkids though, they'll have to open an OnlyFans to pay for theirs as I had to sell a lot of real estate to make it happen.
 
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What happens when we tax the rich?

After the Republican Great Depression, FDR put this nation back to work, in part by raising taxes on income above $3 to $4 million a year (in today’s dollars) to 91 percent, and corporate taxes to over 50% of profits. The revenue from those income taxes built dams, roads, bridges, sewers, water systems, schools, hospitals, train stations, railways, an interstate highway system, and airports. It educated a generation returning from World War II. It acted as a cap on the rare but occasional obsessively greedy person taking so much out of the economy that it impoverished the rest of us.

JFK pushed through that tax increase to take us back toward FDR/Truman/Eisenhower revenue levels, and we continued to build infrastructure in the US, and even put men on the moon. Health care and college were cheap and widely available. Working people could raise a family and have security in their old age. Every billion dollars invested in infrastructure in America created 47,000 good-paying jobs as Americans built America.

But the rich fought back, and won big-time in 1980 with Reagan.

Reagan promptly cut income taxes on the very rich from 70% down to 27%. Corporate tax rates were also cut so severely that they went from representing over 33% of total federal tax receipts in 1951 to less than 9% in 1983

The result was devastating. Our government was suddenly so badly awash in red ink that Reagan doubled the tax paid only by people earning less than $40,000/year (FICA), and then began borrowing from the huge surplus this new tax was accumulating in the Social Security Trust Fund. Even with that, Reagan had to borrow more money in his 8 years than the sum total of all presidents from George Washington to Jimmy Carter combined.

In addition to badly throwing the nation into debt, Reagan’s tax cut blew out the ceiling on the accumulation of wealth, leading to a new Gilded Age and the rise of a generation of super-wealthy that hadn’t been seen since the Robber Baron era of the 1890s or the Roaring 20s.

And, most tragically, Reagan’s tax cuts caused America to stop investing in infrastructure.

In the years since then, mind-boggling wealth has risen among fewer than 20,000 people in America (the top 0.01 percent of wage-earners), but their influence has been tremendous. They finance “conservative” think tanks (think Joseph Coors and the Heritage Foundation), change public opinion (Walton heirs funding a covert effort to change the “estate tax” to the “death tax”), lobby congress and the president (who calls the “haves and the have-more’s” his “base”), and work to strip down public institutions.

The middle class is being replaced by the working poor. American infrastructure built with tax revenues during the 1934-1981 is now crumbling and disintegrating. Hospitals and highways and power and water systems have been corporatized. People are dying.

And Bush, following closely in Reagan’s footsteps, is making things worse. As Senator Bernie Sanders pointed out at recent hearings for the confirmation of Bush’s new nominee for the Office of Management and Budget:

Since Bush has been president:

  • over 5 million people have slipped into poverty;
  • nearly 7 million Americans have lost their health insurance;
  • median household income has gone down by nearly $1,300;
  • three million manufacturing jobs have been lost;
  • three million American workers have lost their pensions;
  • home foreclosures are now the highest on record;
  • the personal savings rate is below zero - which hasn’t happened since the great depression;
  • the real earnings of college graduates have gone down by about 5% in the last few years;
  • entry level wages for male and female high school graduates have fallen by over 3%;
  • wages and salaries are now at the lowest share of GDP since 1929.
The debate about whether or not to roll Bush’s tax cuts back to Clinton’s modest mid-30% rates is absurd. It’s time to roll back the horribly failed experiment of the Reagan tax cuts. And use that money to pay down Reagan’s debt and rebuild this nation.


JFK pushed through that tax increase to take us back toward FDR/Truman/Eisenhower revenue levels, and we continued to build infrastructure in the US, and even put men on the moon.

In 1963, JFK pushed to cut the top tax rate from 91% to 70%.

He argued that tax cuts would boost the economy by increasing consumer spending and business investment, leading to more jobs and salaries.

But the rich fought back, and won big-time in 1980 with Reagan.

Reagan promptly cut income taxes on the very rich from 70% down to 27%.


Hartmann is such a stupid ****.

The 1981 tax bill cut the top rate from 70% to 50% in 1982.

The 1986 tax bill cut the top rate to 38.5% in 1987 and 28% in 1988.

Never 27%. And taking 8 years can hardly be called "promptly".

Corporate tax rates were also cut so severely that they went from representing over 33% of total federal tax receipts in 1951 to less than 9% in 1983

Corporate taxes in 1980 were about 10% of total federal tax receipts.
The top rate in 1980 was 46%, in 1951, the top rate was 50.75%.
Only a stupid **** would think that was a "severe cut in rates".

Our government was suddenly so badly awash in red ink that Reagan doubled the tax paid only by people earning less than $40,000/year (FICA),

Hilarious!

The combined SS + Medicare tax rate in 1979-80 was 6.13%.
By 1990, it was 7.65%.

What stupid **** thinks that was a doubling?

Oh, right, Hartmann-****.
 
It created the greatest middle class the world has ever seen before. The envy of the world. Baby boomers had it great. Then they grew up and told us sorry we can't have it was good as they had it. Cuts to social security and medicare. Stagnant wages. No pensions. No job security.

No not JUST from taxing the rich. To solve what's wrong with America we need to start paying employees more and CEO's less. You've seen the stat that from 1978 to now CEO pay went up 1322% and our pay only 18%?

Also consider these rich people who aren't paying their fair share are also the same people hiring illegals. That makes them richer and us poorer too. They rob from the middle class. Trump's an example of this. He has benefited from dodging taxes and hiring illegals. His corporations were found guilty of both.

You've seen the stat that from 1978 to now CEO pay for the top 400 went up 1322% and our pay only 18%?
 
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We need more protections in place to protect the economy. We're far too generous with the people's money.

Hiring cheap immigrant labor, legal or illegal, is a huge mistake.

If the budget was "balanced on the backs of the poor", the poor could be said to have made a contribution. However, we are creating a larger poor class, and the budget still isn't balanced.
Yes, like parades, fixing up the white house, fixing up a jet that Trump will take with him, I could go on and on about how flippant Trump is with the people's money.

Did you hear Trump is suing us? Or himself? And he says he's going to give the $250 million to charity? How come you Republicans aren't outraged? He's taking your tax dollars and giving it to the needy! I thought you hated government doing that? It's crazy. Trump sues himself, he decides he's guilty and how much he has to pay himself. Only when I say he I mean we because we are the ones being fleeced by Trump.

This is INSANE!
 
Us, for now. If and when we have grandkids though, they'll have to open an OnlyFans to pay for theirs as I had to sell a lot of real estate to make it happen.
Then there are the parents that pony up tens of thousands only to see their kid drop out.
 
Yes, like parades, fixing up the white house, fixing up a jet that Trump will take with him, I could go on and on about how flippant Trump is with the people's money.

Did you hear Trump is suing us? Or himself? And he says he's going to give the $250 million to charity? How come you Republicans aren't outraged? He's taking your tax dollars and giving it to the needy! I thought you hated government doing that? It's crazy. Trump sues himself, he decides he's guilty and how much he has to pay himself. Only when I say he I mean we because we are the ones being fleeced by Trump.

This is INSANE!
Money is like blood. As long as it remains in the body all is well. Blood flows to where the activity is. It's the hemorrhaging that is the problem. We lose a $Trillion or more per year through trade and remittances. The government backfills these losses by more borrowing. Our leaders need to get their heads out of their asses so they can see what's going on. The downside for them is that proper action on the economy will cost them reelection.
 
Money is like blood. As long as it remains in the body all is well. Blood flows to where the activity is. It's the hemorrhaging that is the problem. We lose a $Trillion or more per year through trade and remittances. The government backfills these losses by more borrowing. Our leaders need to get their heads out of their asses so they can see what's going on. The downside for them is that proper action on the economy will cost them reelection.
We had/have a pretty sweet system going where illegals picked our fruit and we got cheap goods from other countries. I guess Americans won't make money working for a cell phone company making thousands of phones. And I guess Americans will have to find other things to do besides pick fruit. Trust me. Kicking illegals out only means Trump better start letting more Mexicans in legally. Are you good with that? I am. I don't think your side is. I think you want them to stop letting in immigrants so your wages to cut my grass will go up. Less immigrants means more white owned landscaping companies. Who want to charge a lot. Too much.

We also gain a trillion a year from trade. We aren't hemoraging anything. We are the richest country in the world. The richest people in our country are making a killing.

What they won't do is pay you Walmart workers a decent wage. They'd rather automate and have a robot do the work.

So you aren't going to artificially fix this. AI is coming for your job. And wages are coming down. I'm so glad my nephews both go to college and I'm old and rich enough to not have to suffer the future I see coming.

P.S. Trump cut off foreign aid and China. Now the farmers are fucked. So he has to use the money he saved to bail out the farmers. Maybe that's why Biden/Obama didn't do what Trump's doing. Ever think of that? Smarter people know better
 
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What happens is they use their lawyers and legal loopholes to evade paying their share
 
We had/have a pretty sweet system going where illegals picked our fruit and we got cheap goods from other countries. I guess Americans won't make money working for a cell phone company making thousands of phones. And I guess Americans will have to find other things to do besides pick fruit. Trust me. Kicking illegals out only means Trump better start letting more Mexicans in legally. Are you good with that? I am. I don't think your side is. I think you want them to stop letting in immigrants so your wages to cut my grass will go up. Less immigrants means more white owned landscaping companies. Who want to charge a lot. Too much.

We also gain a trillion a year from trade. We aren't hemoraging anything. We are the richest country in the world. The richest people in our country are making a killing.

What they won't do is pay you Walmart workers a decent wage. They'd rather automate and have a robot do the work.

So you aren't going to artificially fix this. AI is coming for your job. And wages are coming down. I'm so glad my nephews both go to college and I'm old and rich enough to not have to suffer the future I see coming.

P.S. Trump cut off foreign aid and China. Now the farmers are fucked. So he has to use the money he saved to bail out the farmers. Maybe that's why Biden/Obama didn't do what Trump's doing. Ever think of that? Smarter people know better
Our trade deficit was $1.2Trillion in 2024.

Our kids used to do summer work of all kinds to pay for college. Then along came student loans, and with it masses of immigrants to do the work the kids used to do. Big fkng mess.

I believe in limited immigration, favoring white people. The only reason we have lettuce on our tables is because of cheap labor and smart marketing. Prior to WW2 table salads were unheard of for most. I don't buy lettuce of any kind, waste of money. The foods I eat don't require very much immigrant labor.
P.S. I spend very little on food and am very healthy for my age.
 
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Our trade deficit was $1.2Trillion in 2024.

I believe in limited immigration, favoring white people. The only reason we have lettuce on our tables is because of cheap labor and smart marketing. Prior to WW2 table salads were unheard of. I don't buy lettuce of any kind, waste of money. The foods I eat don't require very much immigrant labor.
P.S. I spend very little on food and am as healthy as a horse.
Exactly what kind of food doesn't require labor? Magic beans?
 

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