What Form Of Government Is Better Than A Constitutional Republic?

[Blues Man]

And still Blues Man takes refuge in the semantics of happiness and won't say how he prefers to measure the quality of different forms of government.

That's because he failed to educate himself sufficiently whilst blaming a form of government for the lack.

I never said I have any desire to measure the forms of every type of government because it's a fool's errand which is why you seem to want to do it.

And just because I dropped out of HS in no way means I'm not educated. I have over 300 college credits under my belt

 

[Blues Man]

Oh. I hadn't realised you admired that which you did not trust. Nor had I realised this was a vote of confidence and an expression of respect for your government. My bad.

Once again not trusting does not equal despising. Why is it you have to attach emotions to everything?

Government is a necessary evil I accept that without emotion. See you like big intrusive nanny state government and that's what makes you happy because you actually think that a government can make you happy

 

[Blues Man]

That's because the US form of government was designed to serve the needs of white property owning males so is dysfunctional in today's society.

Its flaws allowed it to be captured/bought by interested parties - property owning males - and it will therefore continue to remain not fit for purpose as an instrument for a more perfect union.

One can see its present flaws expressed in the disunity shown in this thread.

All governments are designed to serve the ruling class.

 

[cnm]

I never said I have any desire to measure the forms of every type of government because it's a fool's errand which is why you seem to want to do it.

So why do you bother bloviating on a thread about the best form of government when you admit you are incapable of objectively discerning such a thing? Not that the rest of the slack jawed yokels do any better it must be said.

 

[cnm]

Once again not trusting does not equal despising.

Lol

In fact I would say the government utterly failed me and if anything hampered me.

 

[cnm]

And just because I dropped out of HS in no way means I'm not educated.

Yet you can't address the metric of human freedom as a measure of the performance of a form of government.

Oh well.

 

[cnm]

On available evidence, a Congressional Federal Republic does well at incarcerating its citizens, generating gdp and militarisation. Of course if that is what one wants for oneself it's the best form of government.

Germany has missed out on those blessings because it's a Parliamentary Federal Republic, I bet.

 

[AZrailwhale]

We have the worst possible form of government, except for ALL the others. I plagiarized that from someone.

 

[cnm]

We have the worst possible form of government, except for ALL the others.

How do you measure its performance?

 

[AZrailwhale]

The US became a melting pot because of the need to make money. Slavery.... for starters, but then the US had so much land because its neighbors were too weak....

That’s completely wrong. The US became a melting pot because we had an entire continent to fill with people, so we imported people with similar world-views who self-selected by being willing to risk everything for freedom from their current rulers. Slavery had nothing to do with it because slaves were property. They had no rights and certainly didn’t have the same cultural world-view other immigrants did.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Once again not trusting does not equal despising. Why is it you have to attach emotions to everything?

Government is a necessary evil I accept that without emotion. See you like big intrusive nanny state government and that's what makes you happy because you actually think that a government can make you happy

College education doesn’t equate to education. You have the best education anyone can have, you worked to succeed and overcome your early disadvantages. I know a lot of college educated idiots who I wouldn’t trust to walk my dog.

 

[cnm]

You have the best education anyone can have, you worked to succeed and overcome your early disadvantages.

Pity he can't comprehend the written word.

 

[Batcat]

So you just don't think America's Constitutional Republic is all that good. You don't think having rights is all that necessary, and you don't like the idea of a small government with limited powers. You're not fond of a system of checks and balances, by which no single human has too much power.

What's a better form of government and how much power should it have?

The very rare benevolent dictator. The problem is that benevolent dictatorships are not permanent as once the nice dictator dies he is often replaced with a non benevolent dictator.

10 Dictators Throughout History Who Were Surprisingly Good

Here is a list of 10 good dictators who were actually cared about the citizens and progress of the country. They were not evil like most other dictators.

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10 Dictators Throughout History Who Were Surprisingly Good

Here is a list of 10 good dictators who were actually cared about the citizens and progress of the country. They were not evil like most other dictators.

unbelievable-facts.com

 

[cnm]

We have the worst possible form of government, except for ALL the others. I plagiarized that from someone.

How do you measure its performance?

Another one silent when it comes to explaining how its form of government is the best.

 

[cnm]

The problem is that benevolent dictatorships are not permanent as once the nice dictator dies he is often replaced with a non benevolent dictator.

So it isn't really the best form of government.

 

[frigidweirdo]

That’s completely wrong. The US became a melting pot because we had an entire continent to fill with people, so we imported people with similar world-views who self-selected by being willing to risk everything for freedom from their current rulers. Slavery had nothing to do with it because slaves were property. They had no rights and certainly didn’t have the same cultural world-view other immigrants did.

Basically we said the same thing.

 

[cnm]

A Proportional Representation system is much better.

That's rather how a government is elected than the form it should take.

For instance one could say the US and the UK both have elections that are essentially FPTP but their forms of government are radically different.

 

[frigidweirdo]

That's rather how a government is elected than the form it should take.

For instance one could say the US and the UK both have elections that are essentially FPTP but their forms of government are radically different.

I disagree. If you look at how different PR parliaments are compared to FPTP parliaments.

Let's take a look.
FPTP
USA - two political parties who gained 98.4% of the vote in the 2022 House, and 98.1% of the vote in the 2022 Senate race.
UK - 10 political parties. Four of which are from Northern Ireland and only run in Northern Ireland where other political parties don't bother. The SNP, Scottish Nationalist Party, Plaid Cymru, Welsh Nationalist Party, the Green Party which wins in Brighton Pavilion (Brighton is the UK's answer to San Francisco, gay center of the country) and essentially it's the Caroline Lucas show, without her they might not win.
Then on top of these nationalist parties (6 of them) and the Green Party that wins in only one place, there are three main parties.

One is the Conservatives. Equivalent of the Republicans.
Two are the Lib Dems and Labour, essentially the equivalent of the Democrats.

And they cancel each other out to let the Tories win most of the time. Literally the two of them gained less than 1,000 votes less than the Tories combined, but got 150 less seats.
So essentially there's a Dem v. Rep thing going on in the UK with nationalist parties and a green version of Bernie Sanders. It's a two horse race, with one horse crippled (the left).

PR
Germany - 7 parties. Traditional left, traditional right, further left, further right, green left, center right and a local party, normally 6 parties (due to a 5% cut off)
Denmark - 10 parties. A social democratic party, an agrarian left-right party, a right wing populist party, a social liberal party, a socialist party, and eco-socialist party, a conservative party, a green party, a nationalistic right wing party and a center liberal party.
PR leads to a completely different make up of political parties, of politics of everything. The form is totally different.
FPTP will lead to two strong parties and not much else. PR will lead to two main parties CDU/CSU and SPD in Germany, Social Democrats and Venstre in Denmark, but with many other parties and the main parties needing to be more sensible and listen more to the people and having to cut deals with smaller parties.

 

[cnm]

I disagree.

How are the UK and the US not FPTP electoral systems driving quite different forms of government?
Are you really saying a parliamentary constitutional monarchy and a congressional federal republic are similar forms of government?

 

[frigidweirdo]

How are the UK and the US not FPTP electoral systems driving quite different forms of government?

I'm not really sure I understand the question.