What Form Of Government Is Better Than A Constitutional Republic?

[frigidweirdo]

Currently, they're voting for politicians who don't believe the Constitution works in the 21st Century and who are trying to dissolve it. Unfortunately ... they don't have a viable alternative other than to collude with the UN and the WEF.

Like who? I don't see many who want to see the Constitution got rid of. If any.

 

[Blues Man]

It appears I am that dumb in expecting you to be able to give the metrics you would use in measuring the worth of a form of government.

Too, I am that dumb in thinking you may abandon your semantic security blanket of 'happiness' in order to discuss the best form of government.

My bad. Especially since I already know what a fuckwit you are.

Mea culpa.

Happiness is not a metric that can be used to measure anything because as you are utterly capable of understanding, happiness is 100% subjective

 

[SaxonJackson]

Yes, good ideas that have been around for a LONG TIME. Germany put theirs in place in the 1940s. Switzerland put their executive in operation in 1848. Denmark introduced PR in 1920.
So, these ideas are actually very old, that America doesn't seem to know they even exist is testament to how manipulated people are.
I've been harping on about PR on this forum for years, maybe 6 or 8 years, I don't remember.

The US problem is trying to get too many viewpoints into one political system. The Tea Party and Bernie are evidence of this, the same in the UK.
These parties should be separate so individual voters understand what a party stands for.
What does the Democratic Party stand for when there are Communists and Conservatives in the same party? And a current President who stands for.... nothing.

You can say that the EU is countries melting into each other, but I think the reality is that in the modern era, it's the only real way to survive. The EU isn't much bigger than the US. The EU, US whole of NATO and Japan, South Korea and others... aren't bigger than China, the threat coming.

However PR leads to more opposition to the EU, and is more likely to keep it in check than FPTP ever could. The EU is far, far, FAR more democratic than the US

My earlier point, though, is that even these systems of government are dissolving. And as long as Muslims who adhere to a completely different form of government continue invading these lands, then their forms of government will become completely impotent over time. Their forms of government will have to morph into a system that accommodates the Muslim demands. It's why I don't believe that large scale, multiculturalism can work.

 

[Blues Man]

For the hard of reading comprehension that was, 'you don't like happiness as a metric of the form of government'.

I realise now you cannot give up your semantic security blanket, nor can you remedy your lack of reading comprehension. As you say your government failed you there and you yourself did no better.

To think you couldn't even do better than the government you despise. Hang your head in shame.

So what? I managed to get myself out of poverty and achieve a good measure of success in the US. I don't know if I could have done that in some other country like Switzerland or any other of those big government Socialist places you seem to love so much.

I am not going to be a raving fan of any type of government. Government is a necessary evil and that's just how it is.

And why do you have to make shit up? Where did I say I "despise" the US government? I don't trust government, any government.

You on the other hand prefer to have a large overbearing government that controls your daily life in every detail.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Like who? I don't see many who want to see the Constitution got rid of. If any.

I think you hit the nail on the head. Millions of Americans don't "see it." But I've been seeing historical statues destroyed. Long-standing institutions gutted and re-formed. There's definitely a push from the left to leave "racist America" behind and begin a new era with a fresh new leadership and form of government. But nobody knows, yet, what this "new" America is going to look like. There's no defined plan laid out in the open for all to see. I personally believe that it will reflect Marxist ideals.

That's why I started this thread. I want to know what this plan should look like from yours and other's perspective.

 

[frigidweirdo]

My earlier point, though, is that even these systems of government are dissolving. And as long as Muslims who adhere to a completely different form of government continue invading these lands, then their forms of government will become completely impotent over time. Their forms of government will have to morph into a system that accommodates the Muslim demands. It's why I don't believe that large scale, multiculturalism can work.

There are issues, however with Islam you have to remember that before it was different. Islam turned to Jihad and things like that in order to be able to deal with superior technology and fighting skills.
A lot of Muslims in the west are westernized, but yes, it's a problem when governments start letting in all sorts of people who won't fit into that society.
The problem with any sort of democracy, is that it can be manipulated. Narratives arise, people feel they have to accept them, you write a comment on Facebook and half the people think you're a fascist or Nazi or something because they don't understand what you're saying and will be too stubborn to do any research for themselves.

The question here is, can democracies survive when ignorance is defeating intelligence? When rich people with money can spread their narratives and control whole swathes of people?
Something needs to change. Education needs to change. We need to be giving kids the ability to think, look and see and make decisions. Instead we say "History, learn some dates and stuff, learn our country is great" "Geography, learn some countries flags".. but no thinking skills.

 

[Blues Man]

This whole thread is just a "My Dad can beat up your Dad" whine.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I think you hit the nail on the head. Millions of Americans don't "see it." But I've been seeing historical statues destroyed. Long-standing institutions gutted and re-formed. There's definitely a push from the left to leave "racist America" behind and begin a new era with a fresh new leadership and form of government. But nobody knows, yet, what this "new" America is going to look like. There's no defined plan laid out in the open for all to see. I personally believe that it will reflect Marxist ideals.

That's why I started this thread. I want to know what this plan should look like from yours and other's perspective.

There's a push from the left and the right to change the US, countries don't sit still.
The problem in the US isn't that the left and right are going for their own interests, this has always happened, the problem is when left and right are moving away from the center so much it destroys everything. Like Spain in the 1930s.

I doubt Marxist ideals will get anywhere. Even in liberal countries like Germany and Denmark with Proportional Representation, further and far right parties never get more than about 5% of the vote. In France it's a little different, the French are just weird and always have been. But the US is less liberal by a long way. Some Marxists will push for their thing, but no one will take them seriously.

Sure, I think you'll find very few people have a plan at all. I think most people don't have a clue at all. I know of a few posters on here who could give you a good answer... beyond that....

 

[Blues Man]

The Best Form of Government - Political Systems - Political Science

What are the Best Form of Government ? It’s easy to criticize “the government” in broad and indirect terms, but it’s far more rewarding to....

www.politicalscienceview.com

Such are the elements of strength and weakness of the principal systems of government that are in operation to day or which have existed in the past. After this review we may naturally ask which of them is the best and which, if any, is likely to be the most generally accepted form of the future. Both questions are difficult to answer. It was a wise observation of Rousseau, when he said,

“When you ask what is absolutely the best government you have asked an indeterminable and an unanswerable question.”

 

[SaxonJackson]

There's a push from the left and the right to change the US, countries don't sit still.
The problem in the US isn't that the left and right are going for their own interests, this has always happened, the problem is when left and right are moving away from the center so much it destroys everything. Like Spain in the 1930s.

I doubt Marxist ideals will get anywhere. Even in liberal countries like Germany and Denmark with Proportional Representation, further and far right parties never get more than about 5% of the vote. In France it's a little different, the French are just weird and always have been. But the US is less liberal by a long way. Some Marxists will push for their thing, but no one will take them seriously.

Sure, I think you'll find very few people have a plan at all. I think most people don't have a clue at all. I know of a few posters on here who could give you a good answer... beyond that....

I suppose we'd have to define "left" and "right." For me ... the left contains a larger portion of the population, but even it is divided based on specific interests. Trans "women" vs hardcore feminists is one example.

The right, too, is a broad statement. Some believe the GOP represents the "right." I don't agree. Some believe that KKKers represent the right. But I consider myself far right, and I'm not associated with either of those groups. For me ... the "right" represents that small group of Americans who shares the Founders' vision for America and the original Constitution. I want WAY LESS Federal Government. I want to see a greater emphasis on States' Rights, and I want Counties to be the most powerful form of government within their perspective regions. If I don't like the way County A is governed by the elected sheriff and local representatives, then I move across town to a better place -- County B.

Initially ... America was not designed to be a "melting pot." But somewhere along the line ... some liberal-minded folks decided that America should be the New Babel where everyone in the world with completely different cultures should all come together and for a big, happy family. That ideal has clearly failed and we're experiencing the dire consequences.

 

[SaxonJackson]

This whole thread is just a "My Dad can beat up your Dad" whine.

Actually ... frigidweirdo and I have been having a pretty civil discourse. We see things differently but I've enjoyed our conversation so far. As for that other little imp ... he has nothing to say of any real value.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Whatever the Founders intended is not working well today.

The globalization of the economy and international relations requires an ever intruding bureaucracy into our lives.

I believe a Majority Party permanently in power: a social market Democratic or a fascist Republican hold on government.

It's just a matter of which.

 

[Blues Man]

Whatever the Founders intended is not working well today.

The globalization of the economy and international relations requires an ever intruding bureaucracy into our lives.

I believe a Majority Party permanently in power: a social market Democratic or a fascist Republican hold on government.

It's just a matter of which.

Our government today is nothing like what the founders intended anyway

 

[SaxonJackson]

Whatever the Founders intended is not working well today.

The globalization of the economy and international relations requires an ever intruding bureaucracy into our lives.

I believe a Majority Party permanently in power: a social market Democratic or a fascist Republican hold on government.

It's just a matter of which.

Marxist Democrat & Globalist RINO are two peas in a pod. The goal from both sides of that aisle is Global Marxism blended with Fortune 500 Fascism. The only thread of hope for a "free" future is the Constitution, which is under attack from many angles.

 

[cnm]

Happiness is not a metric that can be used to measure anything because as you are utterly capable of understanding, happiness is 100% subjective

And still Blues Man takes refuge in the semantics of happiness and won't say how he prefers to measure the quality of different forms of government.

That's because he failed to educate himself sufficiently whilst blaming a form of government for the lack.

 

[cnm]

And why do you have to make shit up? Where did I say I "despise" the US government? I don't trust government, any government.

Oh. I hadn't realised you admired that which you did not trust. Nor had I realised this was a vote of confidence and an expression of respect for your government. My bad.

The government didn't make that possible. In fact I would say the government utterly failed me and if anything hampered me.

 

[cnm]

Whatever the Founders intended is not working well today.

That's because the US form of government was designed to serve the needs of white property owning males so is dysfunctional in today's society.

Its flaws allowed it to be captured/bought by interested parties - property owning males - and it will therefore continue to remain not fit for purpose as an instrument for a more perfect union.

One can see its present flaws expressed in the disunity shown in this thread.

 

[whitehall]

"Democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others that have been tried". .....Winston Churchill

 

[cnm]

Of course, until you can agree how forms of government can be measured and compared this is all just dog whistling in the wind anyway.

Apparently the benefits of a form of government cannot be measured by its effect on its participants, even when it's a form of which you disapprove, eg constitutional monarchy, so I'm not sure how one then determines the worth of different forms of government.

Perhaps one just continues to bloviate assertions.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I suppose we'd have to define "left" and "right." For me ... the left contains a larger portion of the population, but even it is divided based on specific interests. Trans "women" vs hardcore feminists is one example.

The right, too, is a broad statement. Some believe the GOP represents the "right." I don't agree. Some believe that KKKers represent the right. But I consider myself far right, and I'm not associated with either of those groups. For me ... the "right" represents that small group of Americans who shares the Founders' vision for America and the original Constitution. I want WAY LESS Federal Government. I want to see a greater emphasis on States' Rights, and I want Counties to be the most powerful form of government within their perspective regions. If I don't like the way County A is governed by the elected sheriff and local representatives, then I move across town to a better place -- County B.

Initially ... America was not designed to be a "melting pot." But somewhere along the line ... some liberal-minded folks decided that America should be the New Babel where everyone in the world with completely different cultures should all come together and for a big, happy family. That ideal has clearly failed and we're experiencing the dire consequences.

The US became a melting pot because of the need to make money. Slavery.... for starters, but then the US had so much land because its neighbors were too weak....