What exactly is the "one state solution"?

[Shusha]

Every "solution" I have seen so far included the violation of rights.

How so?

 

[Coyote]

Decolonization is the only just solution. It would be in compliance with international law and nobody's rights would be violated.

Every "solution" I have seen so far included the violation of rights.

What does that mean?

 

[José]

Every "solution" I have seen so far included the violation of rights.

How so?

Decolonization is the only just solution. It would be in compliance with international law and nobody's rights would be violated.

Every "solution" I have seen so far included the violation of rights.

What does that mean?

Shusha's Plan

Originally posted by Shusha
people are free to travel as necessary and desired, but have permanent residency in one state or the other

A "delicate" way to say the new state would continue to impose the forced exile on millions of palestinians.

Originally posted by Shusha
All people of either Jewish or Palestinian descent anywhere in the world are free to immigrate to any place in the State (with a five year residency requirement) and within certain limitations of not overwhelming either state with large population increases nor to upset the ethnic balance, initially, in each state

More "delicate" manners to say the jewish supremacism would continue to be enforced with the addition of the word INITIALLY to sweeten the pill and make it more pallatable in order to induce people like Montelatici to jump on the bandwagon and call it "a fair plan".

 

[P F Tinmore]

Without popular support Hamas would disappear so they would have to do an IRA and become a political party only.

Excellent point.

It would apply to more than Hamas. Virtually all of the parties from both sides were created out of conflict. If conflict turns to peace, none of these parties will have a reason to be. Extremism would find little support in future elections.

 

[Hollie]

Without popular support Hamas would disappear so they would have to do an IRA and become a political party only.

Excellent point.

It would apply to more than Hamas. Virtually all of the parties from both sides were created out of conflict. If conflict turns to peace, none of these parties will have a reason to be. Extremism would find little support in future elections.

That's quite the slathering bit of apologetics for Islamic terrorists.

Much of the conflict in the Islamist Middle East has everything to do with conflict created by Islamic terrorists pressing their particular agenda. Islamist ideology is about imposing Islamism.

• Narrated Ibn 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives an property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah." —Sahih Bukhari, V1B2N24
• He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the unbelievers hate it. —Qur'an, 9.33
• “The Messenger said, ‘Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.’ Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying: ‘Allah has given permission for you to be expelled.” -Tabari VIII:130
• The Prophet on his death-bed, gave orders saying, "Expel the unbelievers from the Arabian Peninsula." -Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 288
• Surely the vilest of animals, in Allah's sight, are the deaf, the dumb [unbelievers], who do not understand. -Qur'an 8:22
• Allah's curse be on the Jews and the Christians. -Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 727

These are the ideals that muhammedans live by. They are from the original sources. There is none of the flexible interpretation or allegorical mitigation that one can find in Christianity, Judaism, and other faiths that have moved beyond the dark ages. As a part of your conversion, you should have studied your koranology. This is what Islamism is about--supremacy, bigotry, intolerance, hatred, and violence.

Islamic terrorists don't need popular support to be "successful". ISIS is just one relevant example.

 

[Shusha]

Shusha's Plan

Originally posted by Shusha
people are free to travel as necessary and desired, but have permanent residency in one state or the other

A "delicate" way to say the new state would continue to impose the forced exile on millions of palestinians.

Originally posted by Shusha
All people of either Jewish or Palestinian descent anywhere in the world are free to immigrate to any place in the State (with a five year residency requirement) and within certain limitations of not overwhelming either state with large population increases nor to upset the ethnic balance, initially, in each state

More "delicate" manners to say the jewish supremacism would continue to be enforced with the addition of the word INITIALLY to sweeten the pill and make it more pallatable in order to induce people like Montelatici to jump on the bandwagon and call it "a fair plan".

Huh? How so? The plan acknowledges the necessity of keeping ethnic populations relatively equal, especially at the beginning so as not to threaten either state. The plan applies equally to both sides. Since when is equal treatment somehow unfair or morally wrong?

Besides that how would a sudden influx of millions of people, of any ethnicity, somehow be good for a fledgling State and its infrastructure and economy?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Without popular support Hamas would disappear so they would have to do an IRA and become a political party only.

Excellent point.

It would apply to more than Hamas. Virtually all of the parties from both sides were created out of conflict. If conflict turns to peace, none of these parties will have a reason to be. Extremism would find little support in future elections.

That's quite the slathering bit of apologetics for Islamic terrorists.

Much of the conflict in the Islamist Middle East has everything to do with conflict created by Islamic terrorists pressing their particular agenda. Islamist ideology is about imposing Islamism.

• Narrated Ibn 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives an property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah." —Sahih Bukhari, V1B2N24
• He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the unbelievers hate it. —Qur'an, 9.33
• “The Messenger said, ‘Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.’ Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying: ‘Allah has given permission for you to be expelled.” -Tabari VIII:130
• The Prophet on his death-bed, gave orders saying, "Expel the unbelievers from the Arabian Peninsula." -Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 288
• Surely the vilest of animals, in Allah's sight, are the deaf, the dumb [unbelievers], who do not understand. -Qur'an 8:22
• Allah's curse be on the Jews and the Christians. -Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 727

These are the ideals that muhammedans live by. They are from the original sources. There is none of the flexible interpretation or allegorical mitigation that one can find in Christianity, Judaism, and other faiths that have moved beyond the dark ages. As a part of your conversion, you should have studied your koranology. This is what Islamism is about--supremacy, bigotry, intolerance, hatred, and violence.

Islamic terrorists don't need popular support to be "successful". ISIS is just one relevant example.

Nah, this conflict was created by Zionist settler colonialism.

 

[José]

Originally posted by Shusha
Huh? How so? The plan acknowledges the necessity of keeping ethnic populations relatively equal, especially at the beginning so as not to threaten either state. The plan applies equally to both sides. Since when is equal treatment somehow unfair or morally wrong?

"specially at the beginning", meaning that even after the "beginning", the european colonists of jewish faith who founded the state of Israel would still have a right to restrict the right of the native people to live in their homeland.

Even more delicate ways of wrapping and selling the perpetuation of jewish supremacism in Palestine as something intrinsically just, fair.

 

[Hollie]

Without popular support Hamas would disappear so they would have to do an IRA and become a political party only.

Excellent point.

It would apply to more than Hamas. Virtually all of the parties from both sides were created out of conflict. If conflict turns to peace, none of these parties will have a reason to be. Extremism would find little support in future elections.

That's quite the slathering bit of apologetics for Islamic terrorists.

Much of the conflict in the Islamist Middle East has everything to do with conflict created by Islamic terrorists pressing their particular agenda. Islamist ideology is about imposing Islamism.

• Narrated Ibn 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives an property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah." —Sahih Bukhari, V1B2N24
• He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the unbelievers hate it. —Qur'an, 9.33
• “The Messenger said, ‘Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.’ Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying: ‘Allah has given permission for you to be expelled.” -Tabari VIII:130
• The Prophet on his death-bed, gave orders saying, "Expel the unbelievers from the Arabian Peninsula." -Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 288
• Surely the vilest of animals, in Allah's sight, are the deaf, the dumb [unbelievers], who do not understand. -Qur'an 8:22
• Allah's curse be on the Jews and the Christians. -Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 727

These are the ideals that muhammedans live by. They are from the original sources. There is none of the flexible interpretation or allegorical mitigation that one can find in Christianity, Judaism, and other faiths that have moved beyond the dark ages. As a part of your conversion, you should have studied your koranology. This is what Islamism is about--supremacy, bigotry, intolerance, hatred, and violence.

Islamic terrorists don't need popular support to be "successful". ISIS is just one relevant example.

Nah, this conflict was created by Zionist settler colonialism.

Actually, no. Islamist ideology is what caused Islamics to spill out of the Arabian peninsula after the death of muhammud (swish). That ideology is one of war, rapine, conquest and colonization.

You aren't intellectually honest so it's difficult for you to acknowledge that not just Jews, but Christians and even the "wrong kind of Islamics" have been expelled from the Islamist Middle East.

Islamism is an ideology of fascism and supremacism.

Kinda' makes you feel good about converting to an ideology that caters to your hate / self-hate, no?

 

[fanger]

Without popular support Hamas would disappear so they would have to do an IRA and become a political party only.

Excellent point.

It would apply to more than Hamas. Virtually all of the parties from both sides were created out of conflict. If conflict turns to peace, none of these parties will have a reason to be. Extremism would find little support in future elections.

That's quite the slathering bit of apologetics for Islamic terrorists.

Much of the conflict in the Islamist Middle East has everything to do with conflict created by Islamic terrorists pressing their particular agenda. Islamist ideology is about imposing Islamism.

• Narrated Ibn 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives an property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah." —Sahih Bukhari, V1B2N24
• He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the unbelievers hate it. —Qur'an, 9.33
• “The Messenger said, ‘Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.’ Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying: ‘Allah has given permission for you to be expelled.” -Tabari VIII:130
• The Prophet on his death-bed, gave orders saying, "Expel the unbelievers from the Arabian Peninsula." -Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 288
• Surely the vilest of animals, in Allah's sight, are the deaf, the dumb [unbelievers], who do not understand. -Qur'an 8:22
• Allah's curse be on the Jews and the Christians. -Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 727

These are the ideals that muhammedans live by. They are from the original sources. There is none of the flexible interpretation or allegorical mitigation that one can find in Christianity, Judaism, and other faiths that have moved beyond the dark ages. As a part of your conversion, you should have studied your koranology. This is what Islamism is about--supremacy, bigotry, intolerance, hatred, and violence.

Islamic terrorists don't need popular support to be "successful". ISIS is just one relevant example.

Where are you quoting from?
No results found for “The Messenger said, ‘Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.’ Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying: ‘Allah has given permission for you to be expelled.” -Tabari VIII:130.

It's in good form to cite the source of your cutting and pasting.

 

[Hollie]

Without popular support Hamas would disappear so they would have to do an IRA and become a political party only.

Excellent point.

It would apply to more than Hamas. Virtually all of the parties from both sides were created out of conflict. If conflict turns to peace, none of these parties will have a reason to be. Extremism would find little support in future elections.

That's quite the slathering bit of apologetics for Islamic terrorists.

Much of the conflict in the Islamist Middle East has everything to do with conflict created by Islamic terrorists pressing their particular agenda. Islamist ideology is about imposing Islamism.

• Narrated Ibn 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives an property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah." —Sahih Bukhari, V1B2N24
• He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the unbelievers hate it. —Qur'an, 9.33
• “The Messenger said, ‘Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.’ Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying: ‘Allah has given permission for you to be expelled.” -Tabari VIII:130
• The Prophet on his death-bed, gave orders saying, "Expel the unbelievers from the Arabian Peninsula." -Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 288
• Surely the vilest of animals, in Allah's sight, are the deaf, the dumb [unbelievers], who do not understand. -Qur'an 8:22
• Allah's curse be on the Jews and the Christians. -Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 727

These are the ideals that muhammedans live by. They are from the original sources. There is none of the flexible interpretation or allegorical mitigation that one can find in Christianity, Judaism, and other faiths that have moved beyond the dark ages. As a part of your conversion, you should have studied your koranology. This is what Islamism is about--supremacy, bigotry, intolerance, hatred, and violence.

Islamic terrorists don't need popular support to be "successful". ISIS is just one relevant example.

Where are you quoting from?
No results found for “The Messenger said, ‘Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.’ Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying: ‘Allah has given permission for you to be expelled.” -Tabari VIII:130.

It's in good form to cite the source of your cutting and pasting.

I did. You confirmed the source.

 

[fanger]

you left no link to your cut and paste, there is no result from a Google search of“The Messenger said, ‘Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.’ Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying: ‘Allah has given permission for you to be expelled.” -Tabari VIII:130. “The Messenger said, ‘Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.’ Umar investigated ... - did not match any documents.
care to try again buttercup?

It's in good form to cite the source of your cutting and pasting.

 

[Hollie]

you left no link to your cut and paste, there is no result from a Google search of“The Messenger said, ‘Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.’ Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying: ‘Allah has given permission for you to be expelled.” -Tabari VIII:130.
care to try again buttercup?

You cited the same source I did.

Keep looking.

 

[fanger]

I cited Google search who came up with No results found for “The Messenger said, ‘Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.’ Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying: ‘Allah has given permission for you to be expelled.” -Tabari VIII:130.

 

[Hollie]

I cited Google search who came up with No results found for “The Messenger said, ‘Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.’ Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying: ‘Allah has given permission for you to be expelled.” -Tabari VIII:130.

You can't find Tabari?

 

[fanger]

I suggest neither of us can come up with a link to your cut and paste, did you change the words? either post a link or be held as a liar

 

[Hollie]

I suggest neither of us can come up with a link to your cut and paste, did you change the words? either post a link or be held as a liar

You're pompous. Keep looking.

 

[fanger]

The onus is on you to post a link to your cut and (edit) paste

 

[Shusha]

"specially at the beginning", meaning that even after the "beginning", the european colonists of jewish faith who founded the state of Israel would still have a right to restrict the right of the native people to live in their homeland.

Even more delicate ways of wrapping and selling the perpetuation of jewish supremacism in Palestine as something intrinsically just, fair.

Yes. Both sides, as a protective measure for each side, would limit immigration so as to keep the populations equal with neither being permitted to overrun the other.

The whole point being that neither side would have the capability to be "supreme".

How is that unfair or morally wrong?

 

[teddyearp]

Decolonization is the only just solution. It would be in compliance with international law and nobody's rights would be violated.

Every "solution" I have seen so far included the violation of rights.

Ha! Nice contradiction contained within your own post for all to see. Because you finally admit through your veiled "Decolonization is the only just solution" that you actually want the State of Israel to cease to exist. And then contradict it to imply that there would be no "violation of rights" in doing so.

Quit trying to unscramble eggs. The egg has been opened. Please quit looking at the past and look towards a future.