Zone1 What exactly did Jesus mean when He said "Father, forgive them, they know not what they do"?

[BreezeWood]

Always a great void? I don’t believe that. If it happened before it will happen again.

Do you believe this universe is eternal? Every star will eventually die. Scienc thinks expansion will lead to a big freeze. Or there may be a Big Crunch. I agree with that. Eventually expansion slows and the universe eventually comes back to a Big Bang, repeating the cycle.

And I don’t think our universe is the 9nly universe. Another unknowable thing for puny humans. We know so little

you definitely have not registered the - boomerang theory, matter without changing direction reconvenes to its point of origin through its finite angle of trajectory ... at the same time as the impitous for compaction back to pure energy.

why exactly w/ a telescope today - a person before the bb event in the same position would not see the same thing, just no celestial bodies ... or seemingly life

if as you imply there are multi universes then why would our bb event not be a commonality that would prevent observation of the cosmos by the same telescone no matter when observed - before or after the bb.

 

[sealybobo]

No. The CMB is the radiation from matter/antimatter annihilating each other during the creation of the universe.

The Hubble Constant. How fast is the universe expanding? What about tomorrow? You don’t know that. Could change tomorrow.

Could excellerate and cool down. Big freeze. Low energy or heat death of the univerose.

Or big crunch

If universe excellerates faster a big rip could happen. Like thano.

The lifespan of universe is unknown.

Singularity could be wrong. Infinite density doesn’t happen in nature. Einstein was wrong. Maybe.

 

[sealybobo]

you definitely have not registered the - boomerang theory, matter without changing direction reconvenes to its point of origin through its finite angle of trajectory ... at the same time as the impitous for compaction back to pure energy.

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if as you imply there are multi universes then why would our bb event not be a commonality that would prevent observation of the cosmos by the same telescone no matter when observed - before or after the bb.

We don’t know.

General relativity isn’t quantum physics. They don’t fit well. loop quantum gravity brings them together and it says end of universe could create a new universe. No beginning no end. Contracting and expanding universe messes with the concept of age.

One ageless universe among many.

 

[sealybobo]

Actually it provides quite a bit of information about the paired production event that created all the matter in the universe and left behind the radiation signature of the CMB.

Something from nothing? Even in dark empty space it’s full of virtual Particles that pop in and out of existence

We don’t know what triggered the Big Bang. We only know 300,000 years after

 

[BreezeWood]

We don’t know.

General relativity isn’t quantum physics. They don’t fit well. loop quantum gravity brings them together and it says end of universe could create a new universe. No beginning no end. Contracting and expanding universe messes with the concept of age.

One ageless universe among many.

the universe is a vacum - gravity does not affect a resistance to constrain momentum along its trajectory, only the trajectory itself were all the matter of a particular bb similarly affected. which would be a variable for how the trajectory was established from the initial moment of singularity, expansion.

 

[BreezeWood]

- by the way bobo ...

is there a reason for displaying a dead deer that may escape the imagination than seeing something (obviously) dead - as a rewarding experience ... even for a hunter ???

 

[ding]

Something from nothing? Even in dark empty space it’s full of virtual Particles that pop in and out of existence

We don’t know what triggered the Big Bang. We only know 300,000 years after

Seems like this conversation is rocking the foundation of your beliefs.

 

[sealybobo]

Seems like this conversation is rocking the foundation of your beliefs.

Thinking there must be a god, or something in scienc3 proves god, or not believing there aren’t other universes, that you understand the Big Bang or what was here before the Big Bang, it’s all laughable. I watch these shows and they discuss these things you bring up and most of the show they are explaining either we don’t know or our theories could be wrong.

For example We know the universe is getting bigger and picking up speed. But we don’t know if that will go on forever or eventually contract. or excel until a big freeze or we disappear like when thano killed everyone.

Theres a really far cold place in the universe we think it could be that way because our universe touched another universe.

Remember even way out in cold black space. Nothing around you for billions of miles. Nothing right? Even there the quantum world is buzzing around you. Not quite nothing then . So, you don’t understand. But you’re arrogant enough to think you do.

Its because humans like you need to know. Like my dad. Must be a god.
God you don’t realize how primitiv3 and stupid you are. But I still lov3 you dad. He says he can’t wait to be with ma. What a dope.

 

[ding]

Thinking there must be a god, or something in scienc3 proves god, or not believing there aren’t other universes, that you understand the Big Bang or what was here before the Big Bang, it’s all laughable. I watch these shows and they discuss these things you bring up and most of the show they are explaining either we don’t know or our theories could be wrong.

For example We know the universe is getting bigger and picking up speed. But we don’t know if that will go on forever or eventually contract. or excel until a big freeze or we disappear like when thano killed everyone.

Theres a really far cold place in the universe we think it could be that way because our universe touched another universe.

Remember even way out in cold black space. Nothing around you for billions of miles. Nothing right? Even there the quantum world is buzzing around you. Not quite nothing then . So, you don’t understand. But you’re arrogant enough to think you do.

Its because humans like you need to know. Like my dad. Must be a god.
God you don’t realize how primitiv3 and stupid you are. But I still lov3 you dad. He says he can’t wait to be with ma. What a dope.

Whereas I concluded the universe popping into existence in an unnatural way being implausibly hardwired to produce life and intelligence had to be an intentional act. It couldn't have been an accident.

 

[sealybobo]

Whereas I concluded the universe popping into existence in an unnatural way being implausibly hardwired to produce life and intelligence had to be an intentional act. It couldn't have been an accident.

The big bounce gets us beyond the singularity.

Its not unnatural because you don’t understand it. It’s natural. We know because it happened

 

[sealybobo]

Whereas I concluded the universe popping into existence in an unnatural way being implausibly hardwired to produce life and intelligence had to be an intentional act. It couldn't have been an accident.

A lot of scientists hate parallel universes. They don’t like the idea that our universe is so big that most of it is off limits to us

if you’re willing to be humble and willing to accept that the reality might be much bigger than we will ever be able to see then parallel universe would seem perfectly natural

 

[Ria_Longhorn]

if the point was to return in 3 days to prove they were what they never claimed - why not just step down from the cross to prove without doubt who they really were with the most impact than a 3 day hiatus ...

the jews had the proverbial knife to the back of pilate, jealousy ruled the day to prove the lesser of the two.

Is this the same Pilate who had mingled the Galileans' blood with their sacrifices as written down in the Gospel of Luke (13:1)?

That knife must have been made out of styrofoam.

 

[ding]

The big bounce gets us beyond the singularity.

Its not unnatural because you don’t understand it. It’s natural. We know because it happened

The singularity is a mathematical phenomena not a physical phenomena.

 

[ding]

A lot of scientists hate parallel universes. They don’t like the idea that our universe is so big that most of it is off limits to us

if you’re willing to be humble and willing to accept that the reality might be much bigger than we will ever be able to see then parallel universe would seem perfectly natural

Humility has nothing to do with it. The universe began. It literally popped into existence.

 

[sealybobo]

The singularity is a mathematical phenomena not a physical phenomena.

So? They say the big bounce is possible and that would explain the problems scientists have with the singularity theory.

It's just a theory dude. You don't know what caused it or what was before it. We only know 300,000 years after the big bang.

And we don't know how fast it was going 200,000 years after either. All we know is it's picking up speed. So we seem to be still in the big bang. It's still banging. The explosion is still happening. Will it slow down or continue to expand faster and faster? If it does, will there be a big freeze.

So what does that mean when you say the sigularity is a math phenom not a physical one?

 

[sealybobo]

Humility has nothing to do with it. The universe began. It literally popped into existence.

I repeated that verbatim from the show I was watching. Yes, our observable universe did pop into existence. But that doesn't mean there aren't other universes popping into existence. And it doesn't mean our universe is eternal. It's just hard for you to accept that there may be more to the Universe than our universe.

A lot of scientists struggle with this. They won't even entertain the idea because it's unknowable.

You base your belief in god because of the unknowable. The more we learn the smaller your god gets. One day we may find the universe is not eternal but the Universe is.

 

[BreezeWood]

the jews had the proverbial knife to the back of pilate, jealousy ruled the day to prove the lesser of the two.

Is this the same Pilate who had mingled the Galileans' blood with their sacrifices as written down in the Gospel of Luke (13:1)?

That knife must have been made out of styrofoam.

seems what was more important to the jews than pilate's indiscretion -

no fan for the jews, or the romans (christians) who murdered jesus - liberation theology, self determination sadly is what bound them together for the concluding chapter of the 1st century and the dark ages to follow.

 

[nomadic5]

we've had plenty of self determination since Luther broke withChrist's true Church and htought he could make a better one. Ha ha... what a joke. Now we have something like 65,000 different Christian (or "Christian") denoms in the world and everyone is confused and a lot of people reject confusion by rejecting Christ and ANY denom at all

and now we have abortion up to the 9th month and people advocating killing even babies OUTSIDE the womb.. no respect for human life

people thinking they can become another gender

self determination is crap

Jesus determination is the answer

 

[BreezeWood]

we've had plenty of self determination since Luther broke withChrist's true Church and htought he could make a better one. Ha ha... what a joke. Now we have something like 65,000 different Christian (or "Christian") denoms in the world and everyone is confused and a lot of people reject confusion by rejecting Christ and ANY denom at all

and now we have abortion up to the 9th month and people advocating killing even babies OUTSIDE the womb.. no respect for human life

people thinking they can become another gender

self determination is crap

Jesus determination is the answer

Jesus determination is the answer

yes, that is true for who understands the 1st century events ...

so, how would you know, a christian - they, the crucifiers left liberation theology, self determination out of the c-bible and made their own religion of servitude, christianity ... what not just jesus but all those persecuted for those 1st century events died for.

 

[nomadic5]

yes, that is true for who understands the 1st century events ...

so, how would you know, a christian - they, the crucifiers left liberation theology, self determination out of the c-bible and made their own religion of servitude, christianity ... what not just jesus but all those persecuted for those 1st century events died for.

As per usual, I do not understand the Q