What ever happened to that ridiculous climate change hoax.

[Etymology gaslight]

Which is not saying much, as it is extremely rare to see the zealots ever point to a time before the last 3 million years. And as they refuse to accept the reality that we are in an interglacial that is exceptionally cold, none of their claims should be taken seriously at all.

I have pointed out that in previous interglacials Florida was mostly underwater. For a long enough period of time that a meter or more would be added to the thickness of the coral reefs that are now limestone around Miami. And that those limestone deposits are now kilometers thick. And what is so damned magical about what they claim is "record temperatures", when it is still very clear that most of Florida is not under the oceans.

Their complete dismissal of the fossil and geological record is something I find completely baffling. It always reminds me of a movie where one of the characters is ordering the others to not look behind the curtain.

Miami is sinking.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Miami is sinking.

Pumping out ground water tends to cause that.

 

[Etymology gaslight]

Pumping out ground water tends to cause that.

Bad foundation.
A polar vortex anomaly is approaching, and forecasters say the speed and configuration of this system challenge decades of winter climate data A polar vortex anomaly is approaching, and forecasters say the speed and configuration of this system challenge decades of winter climate data

Winter comes and goes.

 

[ReinyDays]

One was a day with the lowest high temperature on record, around -5f. And the same year saw a day with the highest low temperature on record, around 105. Both of those recorded in less than a year.

Oklahoma City set their all time high temperature for Nov. 11th of 83ºF in 1911 ... 6 hours later they set the all time low temperature for Nov 11th of 17ºF ... a 66ºF drop in one afternoon ... what is unique is that these temperature records stand still today ... 114 years later ...

It's "history worth remembering" ...

 

[Mushroom]

Miami is sinking.

No, actually it is not, but other things are happening there.

"Sinking" implies that there is significant ground subsidence occurring there, like what is happening in New Orleans. That is actually not what is happening there because the geology is so different.

What is happening is that the subsurface limestone that the city rests upon is being eaten away. This extremely long and cold interglacial has allowed for a much longer period of time for the groundwater to eat away at the limestone.

The vast majority of the time when discussing "sinking", the causes are either tectonic (subsidence due to the stresses or release of stresses on the crust), or the fact that the ground is not very stable and generally built on fill, silt, or simple sediment and not actual rock.

However, Miami does actually sit on rock. And rock really does not "sink", unless the plate it is resting on is going through some kind of tectonic activity. Which is not happening there as that is a "geological dead zone".

What Miami sits on is a kilometers thick layer of limestone. And that limestone is being attacked by fresh water, as in previous interglacials by this time that limestone should actually be under sea level and building up new layers of coral which will eventually become limestone.

So indirectly the case can be made it my sink if enough of the limestone is eaten away. But that is not caused by "Climate Change", that is actually caused by the climate not changing or not changing fast enough, so all that limestone is above sea level where it can be attacked by fresh water. And not below sea level where a new reef can grow on top of the existing limestone.

 

[Mushroom]

Pumping out ground water tends to cause that.

That is not what is causing it at all. And in fact, that would probably help extend the lifespan.

The geology of most of Southern Florida is based on limestone. Dozens of interglacials have built up a kilometers thick limestone bed that sits under the ground now.

And most should know that limestone is primarily calcium carbonate. And something interesting happens when fresh water is in contact with calcium carbonate. What is normally a neutral base picks up carbon dioxide, and becomes slightly acidic because that forms carbonic acid.

This is nothing really new or amazing, that is why there are limestone caves throughout the world and including some I have visited in Oregon and New Mexico. Combine water and limestone, and you get caves.

The problem is that there is significant amounts of groundwater there in the first place. In past interglacials there would be no groundwater there at all as it would be under sea level by this time. But the cold interglacial has allowed ground water significantly more time to attack the limestone, with as of yet no time for it to expand as it has in the past.

But the pumping of groundwater? That happens when the surface in question is a fill like sand or soil. Not when it is actual rock under a very thin layer of soil.

 

[ding]

No, actually it is not, but other things are happening there.

"Sinking" implies that there is significant ground subsidence occurring there, like what is happening in New Orleans. That is actually not what is happening there because the geology is so different.

What is happening is that the subsurface limestone that the city rests upon is being eaten away. This extremely long and cold interglacial has allowed for a much longer period of time for the groundwater to eat away at the limestone.

The vast majority of the time when discussing "sinking", the causes are either tectonic (subsidence due to the stresses or release of stresses on the crust), or the fact that the ground is not very stable and generally built on fill, silt, or simple sediment and not actual rock.

However, Miami does actually sit on rock. And rock really does not "sink", unless the plate it is resting on is going through some kind of tectonic activity. Which is not happening there as that is a "geological dead zone".

What Miami sits on is a kilometers thick layer of limestone. And that limestone is being attacked by fresh water, as in previous interglacials by this time that limestone should actually be under sea level and building up new layers of coral which will eventually become limestone.

So indirectly the case can be made it my sink if enough of the limestone is eaten away. But that is not caused by "Climate Change", that is actually caused by the climate not changing or not changing fast enough, so all that limestone is above sea level where it can be attacked by fresh water. And not below sea level where a new reef can grow on top of the existing limestone.

Groundwater use is a significant contribution to subsidence in Miami.

 

[Mushroom]

Groundwater use is a significant contribution to subsidence in Miami.

More than the limestone underfoot being eaten away?

Now granted, some of the city is sinking. But those are areas like South Beach which are not actually built on limestone at all but on sand. And as anybody should know, sand tends to sink. As a material to build on top of, it is barely more stable than silt.

And that kind of geology is nothing unique to there. Manhattan has the same issue, which is why you only have skyscrapers where the bedrock is near the surface. And the rest is all sitting on soil and fill, where with the right conditions it might also start to sink.

Here is a rather interesting article I found.

When developers began transforming the kitschy waterfront motels of Sunny Isles Beach into luxury high-rise condos and hotels more than two decades ago, they were confident they understood the challenges of erecting massive towers on shifting sand. They were wrong. It turned out to be far more complicated than anyone expected. Within just a few years, engineers discovered they’d underestimated how much some buildings would sink on a barrier island composed of varying layers of sand, silt, peat and porous limestone — much the same material underlying many of South Florida’s premier oceanfront properties.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/environment/climate-change/article312667225.html

In other words, they are literally building on what are barrier islands and are shocked the land is sinking. Well, yes. Because barrier islands are as stable as a sandbar in the Mississippi, or the barrier islands off of Virginia and North Carolina.

And that will happen every time the foundation of your buildings is sand.

 

[ding]

More than the limestone underfoot being eaten away?

Now granted, some of the city is sinking. But those are areas like South Beach which are not actually built on limestone at all but on sand. And as anybody should know, sand tends to sink. As a material to build on top of, it is barely more stable than silt.

And that kind of geology is nothing unique to there. Manhattan has the same issue, which is why you only have skyscrapers where the bedrock is near the surface. And the rest is all sitting on soil and fill, where with the right conditions it might also start to sink.

Here is a rather interesting article I found.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/environment/climate-change/article312667225.html

In other words, they are literally building on what are barrier islands and are shocked the land is sinking. Well, yes. Because barrier islands are as stable as a sandbar in the Mississippi, or the barrier islands off of Virginia and North Carolina.

And that will happen every time the foundation of your buildings is sand.

Yes. Limestone may be rock but it is still porous. Remove the water and it changes the stress such that it will compress because of overburden. Subsidence happens deep.

groundwater use, especially pumping for construction and other needs, is a significant factor contributing to land subsidence in Miami and South Florida, working alongside other causes like building weight, tidal flows, and the region's geology (soft limestone/sand layers) to cause sinking. This phenomenon, where land sinks as water is removed, compresses soil and layers, and is a major concern, especially with sea-level rise.
How Groundwater Pumping Causes Subsidence:

• Aquifer Compression: Miami sits on layers of porous limestone and sand. Pumping large amounts of groundwater from these aquifers reduces the water pressure that supports the overlying soil and sediment.
• Soil Compaction: Once water is removed, the soil and sediment layers compress and collapse, causing the land surface to sink.
• Construction Impact: Pumping for underground construction (like deep foundations) can further rearrange these sand layers and discharge groundwater, exacerbating the sinking.

Other Contributing Factors:

• Building Weight: The sheer weight of large buildings and ongoing construction adds stress to the ground.
• Tidal Flows: Daily tidal changes can also move water through the sand layers, causing minor shifts.
• Geologic History: South Florida's geological makeup, with layers of sand and limestone, makes it particularly susceptible to these processes.

Impact:

• Subsidence in Miami intensifies the risk of flooding from rising sea levels, as the land sinks lower.
• It causes structural issues for buildings, with recent studies finding many high-rises sinking at "unexpected" rates.

In essence, groundwater extraction is a key driver, but it's part of a complex mix of factors causing Miami's land to sink.

 

[EMH]

Yes, the Earth's atmospheric gas composition has changed dramatically and continuously over its 4.6 billion-year history, evolving from hydrogen/helium to a volcanic mix, and then being fundamentally transformed by the emergence of life, particularly photosynthetic organisms, which introduced vast amounts of oxygen, while carbon dioxide levels have fluctuated significantly due to geological and biological processes, including recent human impacts.

That's all fine. It has nothing to do with your bullshit claim that Earth has been warming for the past 150 years.

The atmosphere isn't static

Nobody is claiming it is. Jurassic was warmer, wetter, with much higher surface air pressure, because all the gas trapped in Antarctica was in the atmosphere.

Your and CO2 FRAUD's problem here is that we have recorded a STANDARD Surface Air Pressure on Earth that has not changed for decades, possibly even a century or longer. Down to 6 digits....

So while we exhale CO2 and plants ingest CO2, the overall atmosphere is remarkably stable. It would not be that way if 20 trillion tons of net ice had melted. It would rise dramatically because of that....

 

[ding]

That's all fine. It has nothing to do with your bullshit claim that Earth has been warming for the past 150 years.





Nobody is claiming it is. Jurassic was warmer, wetter, with much higher surface air pressure, because all the gas trapped in Antarctica was in the atmosphere.

Your and CO2 FRAUD's problem here is that we have recorded a STANDARD Surface Air Pressure on Earth that has not changed for decades, possibly even a century or longer. Down to 6 digits....

So while we exhale CO2 and plants ingest CO2, the overall atmosphere is remarkably stable. It would not be that way if 20 trillion tons of net ice had melted. It would rise dramatically because of that....

The earth has been warming since the end of the last glacial period which was more than 20,000 years ago and will continue to warm until the next glacial period begins. Just like it has been doing for 3 million years.

 

[EMH]

refuse to accept the reality that we are in an interglacial

You have absolutely no credibility here at all. You don't quite "get it."


Interglacials are lies. They are CO2 FRAUD fabrications based on a lie, that CO2 is the cause.

Ice cores disprove them entirely. The ice on Antarctica and Greenland grew straight through your bullshit interglacials.

You post bullshit, it gets completely refuted, and you then keep posting it.

You cannot even answer basic climate questions correctly...

Thread 'Any honest media person with the courage to actually ask climate questions?'

Feb 12, 2024

Apparently not.

Not on Faux

Not on RAV or OANN


What questions will the media never ask?


1. Why does one Earth polar circle have 9+ times the ice of the other?
2. Why is there ice age glacier south of Arctic Circle on Greenland but no such ice age glacier north of Arctic Circle on Alaska?
3. If the oceans are "warming" why is the record decade for canes still the 1940s?
4. If the oceans are "rising" why can't we see one single photo of land sinking?
5. How did Co2 thaw North America and freeze Greenland at the same time?



The Co2 Fraud is bilking America out of $200 billion per...

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[EMH]

Temperature affects the density of the gas composition. As temperature changes the pressure changes but not in the way you are arguing. Warmer temperatures decrease density and increase volume thus lowering pressure. Colder temperatures increase density and decrease volume thus raising pressure.

This is all CO2 FRAUD has left, try to change the subject to local weather.

On Mars, hot air rises too. So what.

When THE PLANET WARMS, surface air pressure rises.

IT does for ALL PLANETS.

YOUR SIDE has ZERO PLANETS REFUTING THAT.

YOUR CO2 FRAUD PROBLEM is that Earth SAP is not going up, which proves


1. Earth is not warming
2. there is no ongoing net ice melt

 

[ding]

This is all CO2 FRAUD has left, try to change the subject to local weather.

On Mars, hot air rises too. So what.

When THE PLANET WARMS, surface air pressure rises.

IT does for ALL PLANETS.

YOUR SIDE has ZERO PLANETS REFUTING THAT.

YOUR CO2 FRAUD PROBLEM is that Earth SAP is not going up, which proves


1. Earth is not warming
2. there is no ongoing net ice melt

Google is your friend.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

This is all CO2 FRAUD has left, try to change the subject to local weather.

On Mars, hot air rises too. So what.

When THE PLANET WARMS, surface air pressure rises.

IT does for ALL PLANETS.

YOUR SIDE has ZERO PLANETS REFUTING THAT.

YOUR CO2 FRAUD PROBLEM is that Earth SAP is not going up, which proves


1. Earth is not warming
2. there is no ongoing net ice melt

When THE PLANET WARMS, surface air pressure rises.

On Earth, when THE PLANET WARMS, surface air pressure falls.

 

[EMH]

atmospheres are profoundly UNcontained

bullshit.

The gas on the planet is both contained and transported, around the Sun.

CMEs knock of gasses from a planet without a magnetic field. Earth does not have that problem.

Earth's atmosphere is so well contained that we have for perhaps 100 years had a STANDARD Surface Air Pressure number down to 6 digits...

and we know that Jurassic had much higher Surface Air Pressure than now, what happens when Antarctica melts and all the gas trapped in the ice escapes back into the atmosphere.

 

[EMH]

When THE PLANET WARMS, surface air pressure rises.

On Earth, when THE PLANET WARMS, surface air pressure falls.

Confusing Northern Hemisphere winter with distance from Sun again.


Find anyone else who agrees with you that distance from Sun doesn't matter to planetary temperature?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Confusing Northern Hemisphere winter with distance from Sun again.


Find anyone else who agrees with you that distance from Sun doesn't matter to planetary temperature?

You're free to post Southern Hemisphere summer temperature and SAP data.

*****.

 

[Etymology gaslight]

This is all CO2 FRAUD has left, try to change the subject to local weather.

On Mars, hot air rises too. So what.

When THE PLANET WARMS, surface air pressure rises.

IT does for ALL PLANETS.

YOUR SIDE has ZERO PLANETS REFUTING THAT.

YOUR CO2 FRAUD PROBLEM is that Earth SAP is not going up, which proves


1. Earth is not warming
2. there is no ongoing net ice melt

The whole thing is preposterous,
The climate hoax has an easy mark,
nothing more...

 

[Etymology gaslight]

Google is your friend.

Google is the global warming of search engines.