What ever happened to that ridiculous climate change hoax.

[ding]

IT does for ALL PLANETS.

When Mars warms seasonally, its surface air pressure rises significantly because frozen carbon dioxide at the poles sublimates (turns to gas) and enters the atmosphere, increasing its total mass, causing pressure swings of 25-30% annually. Warmer temperatures release CO2 from the south polar cap, adding to the atmospheric pressure, while colder temperatures freeze it out, dropping the pressure.

When Earth warms, surface air pressure drops because warm air is less dense and rises, creating lower pressure at the surface, although the relationship is complex and can see short-term increases due to gas laws before expansion causes a drop. This rising warm air is fundamental to weather, forming low-pressure systems, while cooler, denser air sinking creates high-pressure zones.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

bullshit.

The gas on the planet is both contained and transported, around the Sun.

CMEs knock of gasses from a planet without a magnetic field. Earth does not have that problem.

Earth's atmosphere is so well contained that we have for perhaps 100 years had a STANDARD Surface Air Pressure number down to 6 digits...

and we know that Jurassic had much higher Surface Air Pressure than now, what happens when Antarctica melts and all the gas trapped in the ice escapes back into the atmosphere.

and we know that Jurassic had much higher Surface Air Pressure than now,

Where did it go?

what happens when Antarctica melts and all the gas trapped in the ice escapes back into the atmosphere.

What was SAP the last time it was all melted?

 

[EMH]

The earth has been warming since the end of the last glacial period which was more than 20,000 years ago and will continue to warm until the next glacial period begins. Just like it has been doing for 3 million years.View attachment 1208129

The actual data from instruments is that


satellites and balloons show NO WARMING in the atmosphere for decades

Surface Air Pressure is not going up

There is ZERO uptick in hurricane activity

There is NO ocean rise

Antarctica has grown ice every year straight through your BS "warming" claim now and your completely refuted "interglacials."

 

[ding]

The actual data from instruments is that


satellites and balloons show NO WARMING in the atmosphere for decades

Surface Air Pressure is not going up

There is ZERO uptick in hurricane activity

There is NO ocean rise

Antarctica has grown ice every year straight through your BS "warming" claim now and your completely refuted "interglacials."

You can't be reasoned with because you are a moron.

 

[EMH]

What was SAP the last time it was all melted?

Learning from the Past: Earth's atmosphere before the age of dinosaurs

then the giant flying creatures of the dinosaur age could only fly if the atmospheric pressure was much higher than it is now: at least 3.7–5.0 bar.

https://lru.praxis.dk/Lru/microsites/hvadermatematik/hem1download/Kap5_projekt5_9_skalering_hvordan_kunne_quetzalcoatlus_flyve.pdf

 

[Etymology gaslight]

You guys got me thinkin'


Atmospheric pressure over the last 1000 years has remained relatively stable on a global average, hovering around the standard 1013.25 hectopascals (hPa) or 1 bar at sea level, with significant, short-term variations caused by weather patterns and localized, long-term shifts in climate, rather than major changes in the total mass of the atmosphere. While direct, precise barometric measurements only date back to the mid-17th century (circa 1643), studies of historical climate events and proxy data indicate that while local pressures fluctuate (e.g., in Europe, with records from 1692, or in Iceland), the global average hasn't changed dramatically.
Key Findings on Atmospheric Pressure (Last 1000 Years):
Long-Term Stability: The total mass of the atmosphere has remained relatively constant, resulting in a consistent average sea-level pressure of roughly 1 bar.
Barometer Records: The first regular meteorological measurements began around the mid-1600s, with continuous data sets, such as those in Europe, beginning in the 18th and 19th centuries.
Extreme High Pressure: The highest sea-level air pressure ever recorded was 1083.8 mb (32.01 in. Hg) in Agata, Siberia, on December 31, 1968, caused by an extremely cold, dense air mass.
Extreme Low Pressure: The lowest non-tornadic atmospheric pressure ever measured was 870 hPa (0.858 atm; 25.69 inHg), during Typhoon Tip in the western Pacific Ocean on October 12, 1979.
Climate & Weather Fluctuations: Studies, including those analyzing 20th-century data and earlier records, show significant, though not permanently altering, fluctuations in atmospheric pressure associated with weather events, such as the 1862 Great Flood.
Future Projections: Research indicates that climate change-driven weather events (e.g., in the US Southwest) could be more extreme, with pressures associated with severe droughts potentially lasting 30-35 years, a phenomenon, while driven by temperature, with pressure implications.
Historical Data Limitations:
Direct, worldwide, and highly accurate barometer data is only available for the past ~300-400 years, with more robust data only available for the last 100-150 years. Therefore, for most of the last 1000 years, atmospheric pressure is inferred from climatological proxies rather than direct measurement.

 

[EMH]

When Mars warms seasonally, its surface air pressure rises significantly because frozen carbon dioxide at the poles sublimates (turns to gas) and enters the atmosphere

and that happens on Earth too, since so much compressed gas is trapped in Antarctica. If that ice was really melting, that gas would escape back into atmosphere, just like Martian CO2, and increase SAP. That's not happening.

It has in the past...


Flying dinosaurs (Pterosaurs) likely needed a much denser atmosphere with higher surface air pressure (possibly 3-5 times current levels, or 3-5 bar) to generate sufficient lift for their massive wingspans, as aerodynamics suggest flight power decreases with higher pressure, allowing giants like Quetzalcoatlus to fly, a feat challenging at today's 1 bar pressure, suggesting Mesozoic air was significantly thicker, solving buoyancy and lift problems





and hence the only thing left for your side is to argue that


warming causes freezing..... well, have at it....



Meanwhile, Mars proves SAP to temperature correlation, and Earth SAP not going up, proving


Earth not warming
Earth not experiencing an ongoing net ice melt


GAME OVER

 

[EMH]

Atmospheric pressure over the last 1000 years has remained relatively stable on a global average, hovering around the standard 1013.25 hectopascals (hPa) or 1 bar at sea level

LOVE IT!!!

LOL!!!

THANKS for documenting how old it really is...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Learning from the Past: Earth's atmosphere before the age of dinosaurs

then the giant flying creatures of the dinosaur age could only fly if the atmospheric pressure was much higher than it is now: at least 3.7–5.0 bar.

https://lru.praxis.dk/Lru/microsites/hvadermatematik/hem1download/Kap5_projekt5_9_skalering_hvordan_kunne_quetzalcoatlus_flyve.pdf

What was SAP the last time it was all melted?

 

[ding]

and that happens on Earth too, since so much compressed gas is trapped in Antarctica.

Mars swings of 25-30% annually which would be 250,000 ppm to 300,000 ppm.

 

[EMH]

^^^^^^


with the answer in the quoted material, Toddster continues to ask the same question....

 

[ding]

^^^^^^


with the answer in the quoted material, he continues to ask the question....

You are a moron.

 

[EMH]

Mars swings of 25-30% annually which would be 250,000 ppm to 300,000 ppm.

It is really all about direction


warming - ice melting/CO2 subliming

vs

cooling - water freezing/CO2 freezing


Mars, due to its thin atmosphere and highly elliptical orbit, documents the correlation between

temperature OF THE WHOLE PLANET and SURFACE AIR PRESSURE


but Earth does the same thing.

In January when closest to Sun Earth SAP blips up a bit.

When there is less land near the poles and hence less ice, Earth warms, and Surface Air Pressure rises dramatically. There is more gas trapped in Antarctica ice than there is in the atmosphere now.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

^^^^^^


with the answer in the quoted material, Toddster continues to ask the same question....

When was it last melted, moron?

 

[ding]

In January when closest to Sun Earth SAP blips up a bit.

Earth's surface air pressure slightly increases in January primarily because it's winter in the Northern Hemisphere, meaning colder, denser air sinks and creates higher pressure, while the Southern Hemisphere's summer leads to warmer, lighter air rising and lower pressure, with these seasonal shifts influencing global pressure patterns, especially around large systems like the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO). Cold air is heavier, so when large masses of it settle over continents in winter, they increase surface pressure.
Key Factors:

• Temperature & Density: Cold air is denser than warm air, so it sinks, exerting more pressure on the surface. Conversely, warm air is less dense and rises, lowering pressure.
• Seasonal Shifts (Northern Hemisphere Winter):
  • Large, cold air masses over continents (like Eurasia and North America) become dominant high-pressure systems in January.
  • The Hadley Cell, a major atmospheric circulation pattern, shifts towards the equator in December/January, bringing sinking, high-pressure air to subtropical latitudes.
• Seasonal Shifts (Southern Hemisphere Summer):
  • The thermal equator shifts south, causing warmer air to rise in the Southern Hemisphere, contributing to lower pressures in those regions.
• Atmospheric Circulation (e.g., NAO): The North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) strengthens in winter, with a stronger low-pressure system over Greenland/Iceland and a stronger high-pressure system off Portugal, leading to overall higher pressure in winter, notes NASA.

In essence, the dominant cold, dense air masses of the Northern Hemisphere's winter create a net increase in global surface pressure compared to summer months.

 

[EMH]

When was it last melted, moron?

When did those dinosaurs fly?

duh....

 

[EMH]

Earth's surface air pressure slightly increases in January primarily because it's winter in the Northern Hemisphere, meaning colder

NICE TRY...

LOL!!!


This has been a debate here for 2 years. Toddster tried some fudged fraud "data" from southern hemisphere and was immediately busted for doing so.

Give it a try. Swear under oath. Take it to the FBI and certify it is accurate. Toddster won't... will you??

LOL!!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

When did those dinosaurs fly?

duh....

*****.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

NICE TRY...

LOL!!!


This has been a debate here for 2 years. Toddster tried some fudged fraud "data" from southern hemisphere and was immediately busted for doing so.

Give it a try. Swear under oath. Take it to the FBI and certify it is accurate. Toddster won't... will you??

LOL!!

Moron can't find his own Southern Hemisphere data to support his claim that my data was wrong. DURR

 

[ding]

NICE TRY...

LOL!!!


This has been a debate here for 2 years. Toddster tried some fudged fraud "data" from southern hemisphere and was immediately busted for doing so.

Give it a try. Swear under oath. Take it to the FBI and certify it is accurate. Toddster won't... will you??

LOL!!

You are a moron.