What drives anti-government extremists?

[LordBrownTrout]

Most of the answers are already here...a lot of people see that legal means either aren't working or have been taken away so violence is their way to fix or start a revolution...Personally these 2 are a hero to me. They gave their lives to take down 2 enemies of the people.

They were cowards and murderers. Both officers had children. One had a baby. There is nothing heroic in their horrible actions.

 

[CorvusRexus]

I've been thinking, a people's armed anti-government extremist revolt would be doomed to fail. A bit off-topic, sure, but I'm sure liberals just love to hear someone who is against the federal regime say it themselves.

 

[OKTexas]

If its so simple, give me a couple examples.

Article 1 section 8 clause 8, authorizes congress only to promote the sciences and useful arts by providing patients and copyrights. (paraphrased) They are funding useless bullshit.

Article 1 section 8 clause 17, authorizes congress legislative authority over federally owned land. (paraphrased) Meaning the bureaucrats in the EPA and other alphabet agencies have no authority over state of privately owned lands.

I could come up with more but why bother.

For the first one, where have they gone too far? You may think its worthless bullshit like where are all the bees going and are cars causing global warming but trust me, people who are a lot smarter than you go up and pitch their reasons and congress gives them the grant money based on the facts. You may not like it, agree or get it, but then again you aren't on the condo board of directors. You are just a tenant. So if you don't like how the board is being run, you should run yourself. Or you should vote someone in who agrees with you. I'm sure many republican, libertarian and tea baggers would love your vote.

2. The EPA stops corporations in any state from polluting waters that will eventually seep out into other states. Or your smoke stacks are polluting the next state over. You red necks don't get to do anything you want. Georgia or Tennessee might want to build nuclear power plants but then when they have an accident the rest of us have to pay for it.

Face it, you are a member of the United States of America. States rights only go so far. If you are breaking federal law we'll send in the guard and like we stomped Lee's ass we'll do it again to his great great great grandson today, Goober Lee.

Right, spending money to research why gay men are thinner than gay women, the public really needs to know that shit right? Or what is you interest on how to reduce the alcohol consumption of Chinese prostitutes while trolling for tricks. The founders provided for a way to change the Constitution should a consensus of the States decide to do so. You can find it in article 5. You're just too ******* ignorant to know that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land and any law passed by congress that is contrary to the Constitution is null and void. It's you commies that just lube up and bend over for the politicians, just so they can give you your free shit. One day you will realize, nothing is free, and the longer we allow the government to ignore the limitations placed by the Constitution, is to your detriment also.

 

[Little-Acorn]

The uniform of a cop is the uniform of my enemy.

Next time you need help, call an Occupy Wall Street whiner.

If you can find one outside his mother's basement.

 

[boedicca]

I have my own beliefs and opinions, but I'd really like to hear from others.

Let's ask Obama's good friend, Bill Ayres.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

I have my own beliefs and opinions, but I'd really like to hear from others.

Let's ask Obama's good friend, Bill Ayres.

Shhhhh.

 

[Mustang]

No. It's a hatred for America because it's not a reflection of the way they want it to be and think it should be. One of the things that is at the core of the problem is that they can't abide it when someone other than the people they voted for win elections. All bets are off then. That's when you hear talk of secession, revolution, impeachment and the like. It's worse with Obama for obvious reason that didn't apply when Clinton was president.

Excellent analysis.

It's a load of crap.

Anti-government extremist want government to leave them alone, they aren't making a statement about what they want government to be. They want government to not be in their business.

Liberal's identity is so tied up in government, you can't even comprehend the idea that someone's identity isn't.

The problem with your question is you didn't define what you view as an extremist. Are you talking about the violent ones like Timothy McVie? Or do you consider libertarians extremists like Jake does. We are completely different animals.

I didn't SAY government. I said America. To reiterate, I said the following:

It's a hatred for America because it's not a reflection of the way they want it to be and think it should be.​

It's their hatred for the way that America is that drives their anti-American sentiments and anti-American feelings. They may very well blame gov't for some of it, but certainly not all of it. They blame other groups of people who are not like them. Those other groups have agendas different than theirs, maybe even opposed to what they want. They believe that THEIR America is slipping away from them, and by their America I don't just mean the kind of nation they want. I also mean a nation that belongs to them which used to grant people like them preferential treatment. They don't care about E Pluribus Unum unless they can be first among so-called equals. This is where their problem with gov't begins because the gov't is no longer consistently or automatically siding with them just because of who they are. Often when they talk about a loss of their rights, that's what they really mean.

 

[Samson]

I have my own beliefs and opinions, but I'd really like to hear from others.

1 representative per 700,000 people.

Lack of responsive representation in government.

 

[OKTexas]

I have my own beliefs and opinions, but I'd really like to hear from others.

1 representative per 700,000 people.

Lack of responsive representation in government.

It's closer to 800,000 now.

 

[Rambunctious]

There are plenty of places in the world with "less" government

Name them. After a free America is gone all hope is as well

If anyone wants out..they can make a beeline for a "freer" nation

Ahhhh yes the old love it or leave it line

For all of the typing you do you sure don't say much that is worth a shit. You would serve your side much better by keeping quiet.

 

[Little-Acorn]

Liberals can't offer solutions that have any chance of working.

They can only insult normal people and try to turn them into "enemies".

 

[Little-Acorn]

The uniform of a cop is the uniform of my enemy.

Next time you need help, call an Occupy Wall Street whiner.

If you can find one outside his mother's basement.

Ohh hit a nerve did I.

Nope. I'm not the one making stupid statements about cops, and reacting with namecalling and insults.

 

[bucs90]

Next time you need help, call an Occupy Wall Street whiner.

If you can find one outside his mother's basement.

Ohh hit a nerve did I.

Nope. I'm not the one making stupid statements about cops, and reacting with namecalling and insults.

Thank you for your support of police. Don't know your politics, but this incident is really uncovering those who do support police, and those who are secretly happy about the Las Vegas incident.

 

[HelenaHandbag]

Excellent analysis.

It's a load of crap.

Anti-government extremist want government to leave them alone, they aren't making a statement about what they want government to be. They want government to not be in their business.

Liberal's identity is so tied up in government, you can't even comprehend the idea that someone's identity isn't.

The problem with your question is you didn't define what you view as an extremist. Are you talking about the violent ones like Timothy McVie? Or do you consider libertarians extremists like Jake does. We are completely different animals.

I didn't SAY government. I said America. To reiterate, I said the following:

It's a hatred for America because it's not a reflection of the way they want it to be and think it should be.​

It's their hatred for the way that America is that drives their anti-American sentiments and anti-American feelings. They may very well blame gov't for some of it, but certainly not all of it. They blame other groups of people who are not like them. Those other groups have agendas different than theirs, maybe even opposed to what they want. They believe that THEIR America is slipping away from them, and by their America I don't just mean the kind of nation they want. I also mean a nation that belongs to them which used to grant people like them preferential treatment. They don't care about E Pluribus Unum unless they can be first among so-called equals. This is where their problem with gov't begins because the gov't is no longer consistently or automatically siding with them just because of who they are. Often when they talk about a loss of their rights, that's what they really mean.

Disdain for tyrannical government is not hating America.

But, like kaz said, the progressive identity is so intertwined with government, that the two are believed to be one in the same.

 

[jasonnfree]

There have always been anti government people around, usually a small percentage of the population. However, I've seen anti government sentiments become more popular since Reagan became president. His speech where he said the nine most terrifying words "I'm from the government and I'm here to help". That struck a chord in some. "We could buy more stuff if we didn't pay taxes". Of course Reagan didn't mind spending trillions of taxpayer dollars. Some say it was to fight communism. Maybe yes, maybe no.

 

[Mustang]

It's a load of crap.

Anti-government extremist want government to leave them alone, they aren't making a statement about what they want government to be. They want government to not be in their business.

Liberal's identity is so tied up in government, you can't even comprehend the idea that someone's identity isn't.

The problem with your question is you didn't define what you view as an extremist. Are you talking about the violent ones like Timothy McVie? Or do you consider libertarians extremists like Jake does. We are completely different animals.

I didn't SAY government. I said America. To reiterate, I said the following:

It's a hatred for America because it's not a reflection of the way they want it to be and think it should be.​

It's their hatred for the way that America is that drives their anti-American sentiments and anti-American feelings. They may very well blame gov't for some of it, but certainly not all of it. They blame other groups of people who are not like them. Those other groups have agendas different than theirs, maybe even opposed to what they want. They believe that THEIR America is slipping away from them, and by their America I don't just mean the kind of nation they want. I also mean a nation that belongs to them which used to grant people like them preferential treatment. They don't care about E Pluribus Unum unless they can be first among so-called equals. This is where their problem with gov't begins because the gov't is no longer consistently or automatically siding with them just because of who they are. Often when they talk about a loss of their rights, that's what they really mean.

Disdain for tyrannical government is not hating America.

But, like kaz said, the progressive identity is so intertwined with government, that the two are believed to be one in the same.

People like Bundy and Miller were not victims of a tyrannical gov't. They just didn't like the fact that they couldn't get their way. In that sense, they're like children who throw a fit when they can't get what they want. By blaming the gov't, they're just trying to shift the blame for their own mistakes or shortcomings to something or someone else.

 

[HelenaHandbag]

I didn't SAY government. I said America. To reiterate, I said the following:

It's a hatred for America because it's not a reflection of the way they want it to be and think it should be.​

It's their hatred for the way that America is that drives their anti-American sentiments and anti-American feelings. They may very well blame gov't for some of it, but certainly not all of it. They blame other groups of people who are not like them. Those other groups have agendas different than theirs, maybe even opposed to what they want. They believe that THEIR America is slipping away from them, and by their America I don't just mean the kind of nation they want. I also mean a nation that belongs to them which used to grant people like them preferential treatment. They don't care about E Pluribus Unum unless they can be first among so-called equals. This is where their problem with gov't begins because the gov't is no longer consistently or automatically siding with them just because of who they are. Often when they talk about a loss of their rights, that's what they really mean.

Disdain for tyrannical government is not hating America.

But, like kaz said, the progressive identity is so intertwined with government, that the two are believed to be one in the same.

People like Bundy and Miller were not victims of a tyrannical gov't. They just didn't like the fact that they couldn't get their way. In that sense, they're like children who throw a fit when they can't get what they want. By blaming the gov't, they're just trying to shift the blame for their own mistakes or shortcomings to something or someone else.

But I am not talking about obvious nuts like them.

Besides, changing the subject to them does not address the point that kaz made, which you demonstrated in your very next post: Progressives like you look upon America and government as being one in the same, when they are not.

Don't feel too bad, though, establishment neoconservatives have the same problem when they are in power and abusing it. Seems you guys have more in common than not.

 

[koshergrl]

Bundy's not a nut. He's just a guy who is tired of being screwed over.

 

[shart_attack]

People who antagonize them with online trollbait threads is my guess.

 

[hazlnut]

I have my own beliefs and opinions, but I'd really like to hear from others.

Income inequality. Self-loathing. 3rd-rate education system.


It's a cult, really. Like McVeigh, they are disenfranchised lost souls who fall in with angry crowd.