What Does The US Stand For?

[Dr Grump]

By dictators, thugs and murderers.

Europe, Aust and NZ are run by dictators, thugs and murderers? Go figure...

europe's not a country, mr palin.

Do you think I'm going to name every country when a collective proper noun will suffice...

 

[Dr Grump]

They like the US more because 2 years ago, when polled, they were asked if they would like a weaker America. All answered yes and with Obama in office that is exactly what we have. With that in mind, I guess we are liked better around the world.

Link to poll..and who 'they' are

..thanks....

 

[jeffrockit]

They like the US more because 2 years ago, when polled, they were asked if they would like a weaker America. All answered yes and with Obama in office that is exactly what we have. With that in mind, I guess we are liked better around the world.

Link to poll..and who 'they' are

..thanks....

Europeans. You have to read the pew report to get the info but it is there.

The survey, entitled "America Admired, Yet its New Vulnerability Seen as Good Thing, Say Opinion Leaders," was released December 19, 2001.
U.S. Image Up Slightly, But Still Negative: Introduction: 16-Nation Pew Global Attitudes Survey - Pew Global Attitudes Project

 

[Dr Grump]

They like the US more because 2 years ago, when polled, they were asked if they would like a weaker America. All answered yes and with Obama in office that is exactly what we have. With that in mind, I guess we are liked better around the world.

Link to poll..and who 'they' are

..thanks....

Europeans. You have to read the pew report to get the info but it is there.

The survey, entitled "America Admired, Yet its New Vulnerability Seen as Good Thing, Say Opinion Leaders," was released December 19, 2001.
U.S. Image Up Slightly, But Still Negative: Introduction: 16-Nation Pew Global Attitudes Survey - Pew Global Attitudes Project

It was released five years ago, and if you look at the start of the poll in 2001, there were a lot of positives about the US. Then it started going downhill from there...

I think you mistake them wanting a 'weaker' American to wanting a more 'agreeable' America. Two different things...

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Who gives a FUCK about NZ and Autralia? You seem to be stuck in your own little world Grump, and speak from that perspective.

No, I speak from a world perspective. Unlike most Yanks, almost all NZers and Aussies have passports and have been around the world. Just because you're a close-minded neocon whackjob, don't put your worldview or lack thereof on me.

For which they have the United States to that for that...

But it IS hysterical that you've suddenly converted "almost ALL" NZers into globe trotting comsomopolitans.

ROFL...

What Gump is talking about are the Socialists of Down-under... who resent American Exceptionalism and who, like all Socialist reject that exceptional freedom, born of certain, unalienable individual rights and responsibility can produce exceptional performance; and they flat out resent the idea that America has the potential for being exceptional as a result of the immutable principles which rest at the foundation of America.

 

[George Costanza]

Well the OP is right... Our "President" is not with US... He's a Marxist, who stands against everything America stand for... and as a tyrant, he tends to stand with tyrants.

It's the nature of the beast; and it'll get worked in November... when he is convered to a lame brown-duck.

Wow! A crazy racist, all in one package. Don't see that too often.

 

[Gunny]

Dissidents or dictators? Hard to tell nowadays. I'm not so much in favor of sending money or troops, but speaking out is something the administration can do:

Bari Weiss: Miss Me Yet? The Freedom Agenda After George W. Bush - WSJ.com

OPINIONAPRIL 24, 2010
Miss Me Yet? The Freedom Agenda After George W. Bush
Dissidents in the world's most oppressive countries aren't feeling the love from President Obama.
By BARI WEISS

Dallas

No one seems to know precisely who is behind the "Miss Me Yet?" billboard—the cheeky one featuring a grinning George W. Bush that looks out over I-35 near Wyoming, Minn. But Syrian dissident Ahed Al-Hendi sympathizes with the thought.

In 2006, Mr. Hendi was browsing pro-democracy Web sites in a Damascus Internet café when plainclothes cops carrying automatic guns swooped in, cuffed him, and threw him into the trunk of a car. He spent over a month in prison, some of it alone in a 5-by-3 windowless basement cell where he listened to his friend being tortured in the one next door. Those screams, he says, were cold comfort—at least he knew his friend hadn't been killed.

Mr. Hendi was one of the lucky ones: He's now living in Maryland as a political refugee where he works for an organization called Cyberdissidents.org. And this past Monday, he joined other international dissidents at a conference sponsored by the Bush Institute at Southern Methodist University to discuss the way digital tools can be used to resist repressive regimes.

He also got to meet the 43rd president. In a private breakfast hosted by Mr. and Mrs. Bush, Mr. Hendi's message to the former president was simple: "We miss you." There have been "a lot of changes" under the current administration, he added, and not for the better.

Adrian Hong, who was imprisoned in China in 2006 for his work helping North Koreans escape the country (a modern underground railroad), echoed that idea. "When I was released [after 10 days] I was told it was because of very strong messaging from the White House and the culture you set," he told Mr. Bush.

The former president, now sporting a deep tan, didn't mention President Obama once on or off the record. The most he would say was, "I'm really concerned about an isolationist mentality . . . I don't think it lives up to the values of our country." The dissidents weren't so diplomatic.

Mr. Hendi elaborated on the policy changes he thinks Mr. Obama has made toward his home country. "In Syria, when a single dissident was arrested during the administration of George W. Bush, at the very least the White House spokesman would condemn it. Under the Obama administration: nothing."...

Yeah. He doesn't even compare to the colossal fuckup Herr Obama has turned out to be.

I'm cool with it though. Last time this happened (re: JimBob Carter), the Dems were out of office forever.

 

[MaggieMae]

Dissidents or dictators? Hard to tell nowadays. I'm not so much in favor of sending money or troops, but speaking out is something the administration can do:

Bari Weiss: Miss Me Yet? The Freedom Agenda After George W. Bush - WSJ.com

OPINIONAPRIL 24, 2010
Miss Me Yet? The Freedom Agenda After George W. Bush
Dissidents in the world's most oppressive countries aren't feeling the love from President Obama.
By BARI WEISS

Dallas

No one seems to know precisely who is behind the "Miss Me Yet?" billboard—the cheeky one featuring a grinning George W. Bush that looks out over I-35 near Wyoming, Minn. But Syrian dissident Ahed Al-Hendi sympathizes with the thought.

In 2006, Mr. Hendi was browsing pro-democracy Web sites in a Damascus Internet café when plainclothes cops carrying automatic guns swooped in, cuffed him, and threw him into the trunk of a car. He spent over a month in prison, some of it alone in a 5-by-3 windowless basement cell where he listened to his friend being tortured in the one next door. Those screams, he says, were cold comfort—at least he knew his friend hadn't been killed.

Mr. Hendi was one of the lucky ones: He's now living in Maryland as a political refugee where he works for an organization called Cyberdissidents.org. And this past Monday, he joined other international dissidents at a conference sponsored by the Bush Institute at Southern Methodist University to discuss the way digital tools can be used to resist repressive regimes.

He also got to meet the 43rd president. In a private breakfast hosted by Mr. and Mrs. Bush, Mr. Hendi's message to the former president was simple: "We miss you." There have been "a lot of changes" under the current administration, he added, and not for the better.

Adrian Hong, who was imprisoned in China in 2006 for his work helping North Koreans escape the country (a modern underground railroad), echoed that idea. "When I was released [after 10 days] I was told it was because of very strong messaging from the White House and the culture you set," he told Mr. Bush.

The former president, now sporting a deep tan, didn't mention President Obama once on or off the record. The most he would say was, "I'm really concerned about an isolationist mentality . . . I don't think it lives up to the values of our country." The dissidents weren't so diplomatic.

Mr. Hendi elaborated on the policy changes he thinks Mr. Obama has made toward his home country. "In Syria, when a single dissident was arrested during the administration of George W. Bush, at the very least the White House spokesman would condemn it. Under the Obama administration: nothing."...

I think the "difference" is that the American people are tired of being the world's police force. We have no business sticking our noses into the way Syria or any other country handles dissidents or anything else.

 

[MaggieMae]

The US is liked a lot more around the globe now....

That and $6 will buy you a beer. So what?

So this:

Global Views of United States Improve While Other Countries Decline - World Public Opinion

 

[MaggieMae]

The US is liked a lot more around the globe now....

That and $6 will buy you a beer. So what?

so what was the point of the article. you clearly think what people feel about us is VERY important.

or is that only if the opinion given validates the overly aggressive, neo-con pov that almost bankrupted this country and got us into two wars that now have to be properly cleaned up?

I couldn't figure out what the point was either.

 

[Dr Grump]

Yeah. He doesn't even compare to the colossal fuckup Herr Obama has turned out to be.

I'm cool with it though. Last time this happened (re: JimBob Carter), the Dems were out of office forever.

I wouldn't hold your breath. You're talking about a country that voted for a moron not once, but twice - 2000 and 2004. Anything is possible...

 

[Dr Grump]

Who gives a FUCK about NZ and Autralia? You seem to be stuck in your own little world Grump, and speak from that perspective.

No, I speak from a world perspective. Unlike most Yanks, almost all NZers and Aussies have passports and have been around the world. Just because you're a close-minded neocon whackjob, don't put your worldview or lack thereof on me.

For which they have the United States to that for that...

But it IS hysterical that you've suddenly converted "almost ALL" NZers into globe trotting comsomopolitans.

ROFL...

What Gump is talking about are the Socialists of Down-under... who resent American Exceptionalism and who, like all Socialist reject that exceptional freedom, born of certain, unalienable individual rights and responsibility can produce exceptional performance; and they flat out resent the idea that America has the potential for being exceptional as a result of the immutable principles which rest at the foundation of America.

And yet this 'socialist's' country appears to have more freedoms than you'll ever have. Go figure...and most NZers are globe trotting 'cosmopolitans'....again, go figure...

 

[MaggieMae]

By dictators, thugs and murderers.

Europe, Aust and NZ are run by dictators, thugs and murderers? Go figure...

And *YOU* know damned well that isn't what the poster was stating.

Well then which dictators, thugs and murderers love Obama? Achmedinejad? He hates him. And he's a dictator and a thug. Can't say that Kim Jung Ill likes Obama too much either. Oh wait!! Obama did shake hands with Hugo Chavez, which you guys all interpreted as a lovefest. My bad.

 

[MaggieMae]

Europe, Aust and NZ are run by dictators, thugs and murderers? Go figure...

And *YOU* know damned well that isn't what the poster was stating.

What was he stating? We can only talk about nations that are now in dialogue with the US who used to really dislike you, but now there is discourse happening (which you righties see as kowtowing for some strange reason, but in the real world it's called diplomacy), they are now considered 'friends' of the US? But we can't talk about how the US standings under Bush were less than favourable with nations like NZ, Aust, France, Britain, Germany, Scandinavia etc, and now they are good, are somehow irrelevant to the argument? How disingenuous...

Any mention of Bush is irrelevant to the argument unless you're waving a "Miss Me Yet?" flag.

 

[MaggieMae]

And *YOU* know damned well that isn't what the poster was stating.

What was he stating? We can only talk about nations that are now in dialogue with the US who used to really dislike you, but now there is discourse happening (which you righties see as kowtowing for some strange reason, but in the real world it's called diplomacy), they are now considered 'friends' of the US? But we can't talk about how the US standings under Bush were less than favourable with nations like NZ, Aust, France, Britain, Germany, Scandinavia etc, and now they are good, are somehow irrelevant to the argument? How disingenuous...

Who gives a FUCK about NZ and Autralia? You seem to be stuck in your own little world Grump, and speak from that perspective.

I am speaking, as was Xeno [If I may be so presumptive], about what the Statists were so damned worried of during the Bush years and them calling him Cowboy politician...and his approach to Diplomacy.

And how they fretted about our enemies..."all we have to do is understand the hatred"...followed by choruses of Kumbaya.

yeah that's ALL they were worried of...WHY our enemies hated us...and BY GOD we have to get our enemies back in the tent by just merely stating that we understood them...as they continued to bomb us, as they contiued to cut the heads off Journalists and post them on the Internet...

Precisely because WE [BUSH] had had enough and went after them...

Your pantaloons got in a bunch.

Fast Foward Obama...

He's done nothing but irritate, snub, and ignore our friends...and embrace enemies.

Ignore protocol, and BOW to every despot he come across. Tell our enemies..."hey you don't have NUKES? OK. Attack us...and you won't be lit up..."

Yep. Some fuckin' FINE diplomacy there...our enemies are licking their chops...

Where has that bit of 'Diplomacy' Gotten us? Our friends are angry, and our enemies are LAUGHING now.

Yeah fine work from this administration. They've done more to put us back decades to the Carter years when those regimes (and ONE that still survives [IRAN], continues to laugh).

But you are quick to sing Kumbaya still...Obama's solution is just as Achmedinijhad quaintly put it..."WET"...a POTUS that needs to 'dry off' before he enters the world he knows ZERO about.

And here you rejoice. I accuse you of being typical, naieve, and blind.

According to your logic, we don't even need a State Department, just a strong military and state of the art weaponry to blow up stuff.

 

[Dr Grump]

According to your logic, we don't even need a State Department, just a strong military and state of the art weaponry to blow up stuff.

As I stated before, the T is a shoot-first-ask-questions-later kinda guy....

 

[jeffrockit]

Link to poll..and who 'they' are

..thanks....

Europeans. You have to read the pew report to get the info but it is there.

The survey, entitled "America Admired, Yet its New Vulnerability Seen as Good Thing, Say Opinion Leaders," was released December 19, 2001.
U.S. Image Up Slightly, But Still Negative: Introduction: 16-Nation Pew Global Attitudes Survey - Pew Global Attitudes Project

It was released five years ago, and if you look at the start of the poll in 2001, there were a lot of positives about the US. Then it started going downhill from there...

I think you mistake them wanting a 'weaker' American to wanting a more 'agreeable' America. Two different things...

No, I stand by what was stated in a different page of the Pew poll. They, not I, used the term weaker, not "agreeable". Believe what you want, I am only quoting the poll.
Questionnaire: America's Image Further Erodes, Europeans Want Weaker Ties - Pew Global Attitudes Project

 

[Dr Grump]

No, I stand by what was stated in a different page of the Pew poll. They, not I, used the term weaker, not "agreeable". Believe what you want, I am only quoting the poll.
Questionnaire: America's Image Further Erodes, Europeans Want Weaker Ties - Pew Global Attitudes Project

Ok: This is your original post: They like the US more because 2 years ago, when polled, they were asked if they would like a weaker America. All answered yes and with Obama in office that is exactly what we have. With that in mind, I guess we are liked better around the world.

This post suggests to me that Europeans wanted a weaker America when polled. It does not say that. Pew editorialises in its header that that is what Europeans are saying. Not ONE question in that poll mentions the word 'weaker'.

 

[EriktheRed]

Why does the OP and the guy who wrote the op-ed she linked to hate America?