What Does The Second Amendment Mean For Liberals?

[rightwinger]

Ok. But this is:

(a)
The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b)The classes of the militia are—
(1)
the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2)
the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

10 U.S. Code § 246 - Militia: composition and classes

www.law.cornell.edu

Unorganized militia does not qualify as a “well regulated militia”

 

[Bell Huey]

Unorganized militia does not qualify as a “well regulated militia”

Take it up with the federal government.

 

[Auld Phart]

Unorganized militia does not qualify as a “well regulated militia”

still stuck on 'well regulated militia' I see.

Let us know when you get to the part about the Right of the People.

 

[rightwinger]

still stuck on 'well regulated militia' I see.

Yea….It kinda says so in the Second Amendment

 

[Auld Phart]

Yea….It kinda says so in the Second Amendment

if you keep reading, it ALSO says the Right of the People.

But your ADHD prevents you from seeing that.

 

[rightwinger]

if you keep reading, it ALSO says the Right of the People.

But your ADHD prevents you from seeing that.

We are talking in circles.

The intent of the founders was to have an armed civilian population that can be formed into well regulated militias to defend the country.

They never envisioned an 18 year old with an AR15 shooting up a classroom of 6 year olds

 

[Auld Phart]

We are talking in circles.

The intent of the founders was to have an armed civilian population that can be formed into well regulated militias to defend the country.

They never envisioned an 18 year old with an AR15 shooting up a classroom of 6 year olds

they didn't 'envision' a lot of things.

tanks, jet fighters, uranium, lasers.

What they DID envision, was the populace at large needing firearms.

 

[Bell Huey]

We are talking in circles.

The intent of the founders was to have an armed civilian population that can be formed into well regulated militias to defend the country.

They never envisioned an 18 year old with an AR15 shooting up a classroom of 6 year olds

And, again, the intent of the founders can be found in the Federalist Papers.

 

[rightwinger]

And, again, the intent of the founders can be found in the Federalist Papers.

Some of the founders
If they wanted to speak for all, it would be part of the Constitution

 

[Auld Phart]

Some of the founders
If they wanted to speak for all, it would be part of the Constitution

If they wanted to speak for all, it would be part of the Constitution

that they wanted the Right to be given to the People IS in the Constitution.

You prefer to ignore it.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Unorganized militia does not qualify as a “well regulated militia”

Read the law. It EXCLUDES the organized militia now known as the National Guard.

 

[Bell Huey]

Some of the founders
If they wanted to speak for all, it would be part of the Constitution

I kinda said "some".

 

[AZrailwhale]

I kinda said "some".

What rightwinger doesn't realize is that the Federalist Papers give a window into the mindset of the founders. You can more fully understand the intent of the Bill of Rights and Constitution by understanding what the founders thought and intended the Constitution to accomplish. It was clearly NOT intended to be a "living document" because they included the mechanism to amend it and deliberately made that mechanism difficult.

 

[rightwinger]

What rightwinger doesn't realize is that the Federalist Papers give a window into the mindset of the founders. You can more fully understand the intent of the Bill of Rights and Constitution by understanding what the founders thought and intended the Constitution to accomplish. It was clearly NOT intended to be a "living document" because they included the mechanism to amend it and deliberately made that mechanism difficult.

Some of the founders
Each signer of the Constitution had their own beliefs

Constitution has legal bearing
Federalist Papers are opinions

 

[Billo_Really]

I'm asking this question because in another one of my threads, when we started discussing the possibility of an upcoming war (or wars) when people were talking about that they would kill them if needed they took it to mean death threats instead of the true meaning of "I would only kill you if provoked and you were a threat to me."


So that's where I get lost as if they don't know that then what do they think the second amendment means? I know that they can't stand it, but it also seems like they don't have a clue what it's actually talking about.

I'm a liberal. And I'm not a gun guy! Fuck the NRA and fuck the 2nd Amendment! I could care less about that Constitutional right.

People who own guns are about as smart as a box of rocks.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Some of the founders
Each signer of the Constitution had their own beliefs

Constitution has legal bearing
Federalist Papers are opinions

You might actually read what I posted.

 

[Auld Phart]

I'm a liberal. And I'm not a gun guy! Fuck the NRA and fuck the 2nd Amendment! I could care less about that Constitutional right.

People who own guns are about as smart as a box of rocks.

People who own guns are about as smart as a box of rocks.

so, only twice as smart as you?

 

[AZrailwhale]

I'm a liberal. And I'm not a gun guy! Fuck the NRA and fuck the 2nd Amendment! I could care less about that Constitutional right.

People who own guns are about as smart as a box of rocks.

Yep, you are a perfect example of a modern liberal "I could care less about constitutional rights". In other words, you don't care about the very foundation of our government. The only rights that you care about are yours's. You are the person the founders were afraid of, a mindless member of the mob swayed by the emotional tenor of the moment without care for the long-term consequences of his actions.

 

[rightwinger]

You might actually read what I posted.

Doesn’t matter legally

Madison may have had an intent…others may not have agreed
What mattered was what actually made it into the document

 

[rightwinger]

Yep, you are a perfect example of a modern liberal "I could care less about constitutional rights". In other words, you don't care about the very foundation of our government. The only rights that you care about are yours's. You are the person the founders were afraid of, a mindless member of the mob swayed by the emotional tenor of the moment without care for the long-term consequences of his actions.

You voted for Trump

I win