Zone1 What does The Chosen People actually mean?

[onefour1]

Jesus is Jehovah or the Great I AM. Jesus simply came to fulfill the law he gave to the House of Israel. The Jews had fallen so far from the spirit of the Law that they didn't recognize their God when he came among them. Eventually they will be saved by the God of Israel after being besieged and almost destroyed by their enemy. Jesus will descend and his foot will touch the Mount of Olives and it shall cleave in twain and create a great valley. He will destroy the enemies of the Jews and when they meet their Lord they will ask him the following:

Doctrine and Covenants 45:51-53
51 And then shall the Jews look upon me and say: What are these wounds in thine hands and in thy feet?
52 Then shall they know that I am the Lord; for I will say unto them: These wounds are the wounds with which I was wounded in the house of my friends. I am he who was lifted up. I am Jesus that was crucified. I am the Son of God.
53 And then shall they weep because of their iniquities; then shall they lament because they persecuted their king.

Then will the Jews be converted to their true God and become Christians.

John the Apostles taught us in the first chapter of the gospel of John that Jesus was also God along with his Father and that no man had ever seen God the Father:

John 1:1-3,14,18
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Now if up through the time of John's writing, if no man had seen the Father, we must ask who was it that the ancient prophets spoke to face to face and saw his back parts, etc.

Genesis 32:30
30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

Exodus 33:11
11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Deuteronomy 34:10
10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face,

Exodus 33:18-23
18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21 And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

Exodus 6:2-3
2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the Lord:
3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.

If, according to the Apostle John, no man had seen the Father up to the time he wrote the gospel of John, then who was Jehovah the god of the Old Testament, who appeared and spoke to his prophets of old? Jesus gives us a hint in his conversation with the scribes and pharisees.

John 8:48-59
48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.
50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.
51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I Am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

The answer is that it was Jehovah, I AM, or simply Jesus who appeared to the prophets of old. As a member of the godhead, it was he that represented the godhead to the prophets of old. It was he who spoke to them face to face. Jesus, as a member of the godhead, represented God to the prophets of old and was the creator of this earth.

 

[kjw47]

Jesus is Jehovah or the Great I AM. Jesus simply came to fulfill the law he gave to the House of Israel. The Jews had fallen so far from the spirit of the Law that they didn't recognize their God when he came among them. Eventually they will be saved by the God of Israel after being besieged and almost destroyed by their enemy. Jesus will descend and his foot will touch the Mount of Olives and it shall cleave in twain and create a great valley. He will destroy the enemies of the Jews and when they meet their Lord they will ask him the following:

Doctrine and Covenants 45:51-53
51 And then shall the Jews look upon me and say: What are these wounds in thine hands and in thy feet?
52 Then shall they know that I am the Lord; for I will say unto them: These wounds are the wounds with which I was wounded in the house of my friends. I am he who was lifted up. I am Jesus that was crucified. I am the Son of God.
53 And then shall they weep because of their iniquities; then shall they lament because they persecuted their king.

Then will the Jews be converted to their true God and become Christians.

John the Apostles taught us in the first chapter of the gospel of John that Jesus was also God along with his Father and that no man had ever seen God the Father:

John 1:1-3,14,18
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Now if up through the time of John's writing, if no man had seen the Father, we must ask who was it that the ancient prophets spoke to face to face and saw his back parts, etc.

Genesis 32:30
30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

Exodus 33:11
11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Deuteronomy 34:10
10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face,

Exodus 33:18-23
18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21 And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

Exodus 6:2-3
2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the Lord:
3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.

If, according to the Apostle John, no man had seen the Father up to the time he wrote the gospel of John, then who was Jehovah the god of the Old Testament, who appeared and spoke to his prophets of old? Jesus gives us a hint in his conversation with the scribes and pharisees.

John 8:48-59
48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.
50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.
51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I Am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

The answer is that it was Jehovah, I AM, or simply Jesus who appeared to the prophets of old. As a member of the godhead, it was he that represented the godhead to the prophets of old. It was he who spoke to them face to face. Jesus, as a member of the godhead, represented God to the prophets of old and was the creator of this earth.

No Jesus is not Jehovah-The Father is Jehovah.
There is no i am that i am in the Hebrew OT-It translates-i will be what i will be. You are being mislead by error filled translation.

 

[hobelim]

Jesus is Jehovah or the Great I AM.

No.

Jesus is not and never claimed to be God. That's insane. Jesus was sent by God to reveal the hidden meaning of the Law, removing the burden of the Law which is the death, a curse, for failing to fulfill its demands. The only thing about the Law that became obsolete after the revelation of Jesus was the wrong way to follow it, not the Law itself, which Jesus said would remain in effect and in full force for along as heaven and earth endure. True?

Jesus simply came to fulfill the law he gave to the House of Israel.

Right. To fulfill the Law is to comply with its demands. Jesus taught and demonstrated the only right way to understand and comply with the Law that fulfills the promise of abundant blessings and eternal life in "the sanctuary of God", here and now on earth. Unless you "fulfill the Law" as Jesus did, you can have no life in you.

As you have so perfectly demonstrated.

 

[onefour1]

No Jesus is not Jehovah-The Father is Jehovah.
There is no i am that i am in the Hebrew OT-It translates-i will be what i will be. You are being mislead by error filled translation.

Jesus is Jehovah.

(A-1) Who Is the Lord?​

The hardhearted pharaoh, impudent and proud, asked, “Who is the Lord, that I should obey his voice … ? I know not the Lord” (Exodus 5:2). Many people today are just as ignorant of the God of the Old Testament as the pharaoh was. They regard Him as a being created by the minds of the ancients, a God of wrath and low religion who would destroy people with floods and plagues. Could this be the same God as the being of love in the New Testament revealed through the mortal ministry of Jesus Christ? Others contend that the Jehovah of Old Testament times was the same as God the Father in the New Testament. Why all this confusion? Who, really, was the God of Adam, of Enoch and Abraham, of Israel and Moses?

(A-2) Jehovah, or Christ, Is the God of the Old Testament​

Although for many it seems a paradox, Jehovah of the Old Testament was none other than the Son of God, Jesus Christ. He created the world under the authority and direction of God the Father. Later, Jehovah came to earth as the Savior and Redeemer of the world. This truth is one of the most misunderstood doctrines in the history of the world, despite the fact that the Old Testament and the other standard works are filled with evidence to support it.
Before looking at the scriptural evidence, it may be wise first to better understand the names and titles for God the Father and His Only Begotten Son. Generally, two Hebrew words for God are used throughout the Old Testament. These are Elohim and Jehovah, as it is presently pronounced. (Since the original Hebrew was written without vowels, scholars disagree on the original pronunciation of the name written YHWH in Hebrew. In modern revelation, however, Jesus accepted the title Jehovah [see D&C 110:3].)
Jehovah was the premortal name-title given to the Firstborn Son of God. He is now referred to as Jesus Christ. The meaning of the name Jehovah was explained by Elder Talmage:
“Jehovah is the Anglicized rendering of the Hebrew, Yahveh or Jahveh, signifying the Self-existent One, or The Eternal. This name is generally rendered in our English version of the Old Testament as Lord printed in capitals. The Hebrew, Ehyeh, signifying I Am, is related in meaning and through derivation with the term Yahveh or Jehovah.” (Jesus the Christ, p. 36.)
The Jews regarded the name of Jehovah as so sacred that it could not be spoken. Instead, they substituted for Jehovah the word Adonai, which signifies “the Lord.” (See Talmage, Jesus the Christ, p. 37.) The King James translators followed the same practice out of respect for the Jewish custom. Sometimes the word lord, however, is used to refer not to God but to royalty or other important people. To distinguish the sacred name from common usage, the translators capitalized lord when it referred to Jehovah and left it in lower case letters otherwise. (See 2 Samuel 15:21 for an example of both uses of the word lord.)
The word Elohim is a plural form of the Hebrew word for God, although modern scholars agree that it should be taken as a singular noun even though the im ending is a plural form. Joseph Smith, however, indicated the significance of the plural form:
“If we pursue the Hebrew text further, it reads, … ‘The head one of the Gods said, Let us make a man in our own image.’ I once asked a learned Jew, ‘If the Hebrew language compels us to render all words ending in heim in the plural, why not render the first Eloheim plural?’ He replied, ‘That is the rule with few exceptions; but in this case it would ruin the Bible.’ He acknowledged I was right.
“In the very beginning the Bible shows there is a plurality of Gods beyond the power of refutation. It is a great subject I am dwelling on. The word Eloheim ought to be in the plural all the way through—Gods. The heads of the Gods appointed one God for us; and when you take [that] view of the subject, it sets one free to see all the beauty, holiness and perfection of the Gods.” (Teachings, p. 372.)
Elder James E. Talmage explained the special significance Elohim has for Latter-day Saints:
“The name Elohim … is expressive of supreme or absolute exaltation and power. Elohim, as understood and used in the restored Church of Jesus Christ, is the name-title of God the Eternal Father, whose firstborn Son in the spirit is Jehovah—the Only Begotten in the flesh, Jesus Christ.” (Jesus the Christ, p. 38.)
It is vital to remember the place of God the Father: He is the Father of our spirits (see Hebrews 12:9) and is our God. The existence of other Gods cannot alter that fact. He is the author and sponsor of the eternal plan of salvation. It is equally essential to note, however, that the agent by whom He administers His affairs on this earth is His Firstborn Son, known as Jehovah in the Old Testament. He gave Jesus the full “Fatherly” authority to organize and govern the earth, then through the Atonement Jesus became the Father of the faithful. The Savior thus became the chief advocate of the Father’s plan.
Because Jesus is one with God and is also God, the Old Testament prophets sometimes referred to Him as “Jehovah Elohim,” which the King James translators rendered “Lord God.” To avoid awkward repetition, “Lord God” was used to translate the Hebrew phrase “Adonai Jehovah,” which otherwise would translate as “Lord Lord” (see Genesis 15:2, 8; Deuteronomy 3:24). Thus, in the King James Version of the Old Testament, the Hebrew word for Jehovah is almost always translated just this way: Lord or God.
One other name or title of Jesus needs explanation. He is known as Jesus the Christ. The word Christ comes from the Greek word christos, which means “the anointed one.” The Greeks used the title Christos to translate the Hebrew word meshiach, which means “the anointed one.” The Hebrew word has been anglicized into messiah. Jesus the Christ means “Jesus the Messiah.”

(A-3) Jesus Christ: The God of This World​

There was confusion in the minds of the later Jews, Jesus’ own people, regarding the identity of their God because they no longer understood their own scriptures. That is likewise the problem today with most of the Christian world. The mystery of understanding the identity of the God of the Old Testament arose in both cases because of wickedness and the loss of many plain and precious truths from the scriptures. By contrast, Jesus said that life eternal consisted of gaining a full knowledge of the Father and the Son (see John 17:3). In the final analysis the individual comes to know the true God through experiences that train him to be like Him, and thus he understands, or knows, Him (see 1 John 2:3; 3:1–2; Ether 2–3).
By the time Christ came, the Jews had lost the knowledge of the three distinct members of the Godhead. They had lost the truth that Jehovah, who had given them the law of Moses, would come into the world as the Redeemer of all mankind, even though the prophets had clearly taught this principle (see 1 Corinthians 10:4; 3 Nephi 15:10; Isaiah 41:14; 44:6). They yearned for the appearance of the promised Messiah as a political savior to free them from Roman rule. But Matthew testified that John the Baptist, who prepared the way for Jesus, was “he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, … Prepare ye the way of the Lord” (Matthew 3:3). This is a reference to Isaiah 40:3, where the word Lord is used to mean Jehovah. Christ Himself told the Jews in Jerusalem that “before Abraham was, I am” (John 8:58). The people considered this blasphemy and picked up stones to kill Him, because they realized that His using the phrase I am in this way was another way of saying “I am Jehovah” (see v. 59).

All scriptures point to Christ.

(A-4) Scriptural Evidence That Jesus Christ Is the God of the Old Testament​

Abinadi, testifying before the court of the wicked King Noah, bore witness that all the prophets from the earliest times had testified that God (Jehovah) would “come down among the children of men, and take upon him the form of man” (Mosiah 13:34; see also v. 33). Latter-day Saints, who have the benefit of additional scripture, are taught this truth very clearly. For example, the Doctrine and Covenants shows that Jesus Christ is Jehovah and the great “I Am” (see D&C 110:3–4; 29:1).
But many in the Christian world have not carefully considered the evidence found in the Bible, which clearly teaches that Jehovah is the premortal Jesus. The following scriptures are only a sampling of the biblical evidence. (Remember that Lord means that Jehovah is the Hebrew word used.)

Old Testament	New Testament
Jesus (Jehovah) was the Creator of the world.	“Thus saith the Lord, … I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded” (Isaiah 45:11–12).	“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. … All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.” (John 1:1, 3.)
Jehovah is the Savior.	“Yet I am the Lord thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me” (Hosea 13:4).	“For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord” (Luke 2:11).
Jehovah is the Redeemer.	“Thus saith the Lord, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel” (Isaiah 43:14).	“Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law” (Galatians 3:13).
Jehovah will deliver men from death.	“I [Jehovah] will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction” (Hosea 13:14).	“But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” (1 Corinthians 15:20–22.)
The Jews will look upon Jehovah who was pierced.	“And I [Jehovah] will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn” (Zechariah 12:10).	“But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water. … For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.” (John 19:34, 36–37.)
Jesus followed Israel in the wilderness during the Exodus.	“And the Lord went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night: he took not away the pillar of the cloud by day, nor the pillar of fire by night, from before the people” (Exodus 13:21–22).	“Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; and were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; and did all eat the same spiritual meat; and did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ” (1 Corinthians 10:1–4).
Jehovah is the husband or bridegroom.	“For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; the God of the whole earth shall he be called” (Isaiah 54:5).	“Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.” (Revelation 19:7–8.)
Jehovah is the first and the last (alpha and omega).	“Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God” (Isaiah 44:6).	“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty” (Revelation 1:8).

(A-5) The Importance of Knowing the Identity of the God of the Old Testament​

Many people, including numerous Bible scholars, have concluded that the God depicted in the Old Testament was the product of the superstitions and primitive beliefs of a primitive and superstitious people. They come to this conclusion because they see things that seem contradictory to their conception of the God of the New Testament. To know that the Lord of the Old Testament was the premortal Jesus Christ has tremendous implications, however, not only for a correct understanding of the Old Testament and the New Testament, but also for a correct understanding of the nature and purposes of God and of man’s relationship to each member of the Godhead.
For example, the same Person who said, “Love your enemies” (Matthew 5:44), said of the Canaanites in the land of promise, “Thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: but thou shalt utterly destroy them” (Deuteronomy 20:16–17). The same Savior who said to forgive “seventy times seven” (Matthew 18:22) destroyed the entire population of the earth with the exception of eight souls (see Genesis 7–8).
On the other hand, the Jesus of the New Testament who said that one who refuses to forgive another’s trespasses will be “delivered … to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due” (Matthew 18:34–35) is the Lord of the Old Testament who said, “Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool” (Isaiah 1:18). And the Christ depicted in the book of Revelation, who is shown with the great sickle ready to reap the grapes of the earth and tread them in the winepress (see Revelation 14:14, 20), is the same God of the Old Testament who said to Micah, “What doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?” (Micah 6:8).
There is no inconsistency in the nature of God. He is always perfectly merciful and loving, but He is also perfectly just and will not “look upon sin with the least degree of allowance” (D&C 1:31). As He said to Joseph Smith, “God doth not walk in crooked paths, neither doth he turn to the right hand nor to the left, … his paths are straight, and his course is one eternal round” (D&C 3:2). In the Old Testament is the same perfectly consistent God found in all scripture. In the Old Testament great richness is added to the understanding of God and how He deals with His children, blessing them according to their obedience and receptivity, or punishing them for rebellion and wickedness. If one would get to know Christ better, one must study the Old Testament, for in His role as Jehovah He permeates the whole record. Jesus Christ is the God of the Old Testament just as He is the God of the earth today. Keeping this important fact constantly in mind is one of the keys to understanding both the Old Testament and the nature of God.

 

[hobelim]

Jesus is Jehovah.

(A-1) Who Is the Lord?​

The hardhearted pharaoh, impudent and proud, asked, “Who is the Lord, that I should obey his voice … ? I know not the Lord” (Exodus 5:2). Many people today are just as ignorant of the God of the Old Testament as the pharaoh was.

"They pay no heed to the real hidden meaning of things but divert themselves instead with all kinds of iniquitous arcane lore. They do not know the hidden meaning of what is actually taking place, nor have they ever understood the lessons of the past. Consequently, they have no knowledge of what is coming upon them and have done NOTHING to save their souls from the deeper implications of present events."

 

[kjw47]

Jesus is Jehovah.

(A-1) Who Is the Lord?​

The hardhearted pharaoh, impudent and proud, asked, “Who is the Lord, that I should obey his voice … ? I know not the Lord” (Exodus 5:2). Many people today are just as ignorant of the God of the Old Testament as the pharaoh was. They regard Him as a being created by the minds of the ancients, a God of wrath and low religion who would destroy people with floods and plagues. Could this be the same God as the being of love in the New Testament revealed through the mortal ministry of Jesus Christ? Others contend that the Jehovah of Old Testament times was the same as God the Father in the New Testament. Why all this confusion? Who, really, was the God of Adam, of Enoch and Abraham, of Israel and Moses?

(A-2) Jehovah, or Christ, Is the God of the Old Testament​

Although for many it seems a paradox, Jehovah of the Old Testament was none other than the Son of God, Jesus Christ. He created the world under the authority and direction of God the Father. Later, Jehovah came to earth as the Savior and Redeemer of the world. This truth is one of the most misunderstood doctrines in the history of the world, despite the fact that the Old Testament and the other standard works are filled with evidence to support it.
Before looking at the scriptural evidence, it may be wise first to better understand the names and titles for God the Father and His Only Begotten Son. Generally, two Hebrew words for God are used throughout the Old Testament. These are Elohim and Jehovah, as it is presently pronounced. (Since the original Hebrew was written without vowels, scholars disagree on the original pronunciation of the name written YHWH in Hebrew. In modern revelation, however, Jesus accepted the title Jehovah [see D&C 110:3].)
Jehovah was the premortal name-title given to the Firstborn Son of God. He is now referred to as Jesus Christ. The meaning of the name Jehovah was explained by Elder Talmage:
“Jehovah is the Anglicized rendering of the Hebrew, Yahveh or Jahveh, signifying the Self-existent One, or The Eternal. This name is generally rendered in our English version of the Old Testament as Lord printed in capitals. The Hebrew, Ehyeh, signifying I Am, is related in meaning and through derivation with the term Yahveh or Jehovah.” (Jesus the Christ, p. 36.)
The Jews regarded the name of Jehovah as so sacred that it could not be spoken. Instead, they substituted for Jehovah the word Adonai, which signifies “the Lord.” (See Talmage, Jesus the Christ, p. 37.) The King James translators followed the same practice out of respect for the Jewish custom. Sometimes the word lord, however, is used to refer not to God but to royalty or other important people. To distinguish the sacred name from common usage, the translators capitalized lord when it referred to Jehovah and left it in lower case letters otherwise. (See 2 Samuel 15:21 for an example of both uses of the word lord.)
The word Elohim is a plural form of the Hebrew word for God, although modern scholars agree that it should be taken as a singular noun even though the im ending is a plural form. Joseph Smith, however, indicated the significance of the plural form:
“If we pursue the Hebrew text further, it reads, … ‘The head one of the Gods said, Let us make a man in our own image.’ I once asked a learned Jew, ‘If the Hebrew language compels us to render all words ending in heim in the plural, why not render the first Eloheim plural?’ He replied, ‘That is the rule with few exceptions; but in this case it would ruin the Bible.’ He acknowledged I was right.
“In the very beginning the Bible shows there is a plurality of Gods beyond the power of refutation. It is a great subject I am dwelling on. The word Eloheim ought to be in the plural all the way through—Gods. The heads of the Gods appointed one God for us; and when you take [that] view of the subject, it sets one free to see all the beauty, holiness and perfection of the Gods.” (Teachings, p. 372.)
Elder James E. Talmage explained the special significance Elohim has for Latter-day Saints:
“The name Elohim … is expressive of supreme or absolute exaltation and power. Elohim, as understood and used in the restored Church of Jesus Christ, is the name-title of God the Eternal Father, whose firstborn Son in the spirit is Jehovah—the Only Begotten in the flesh, Jesus Christ.” (Jesus the Christ, p. 38.)
It is vital to remember the place of God the Father: He is the Father of our spirits (see Hebrews 12:9) and is our God. The existence of other Gods cannot alter that fact. He is the author and sponsor of the eternal plan of salvation. It is equally essential to note, however, that the agent by whom He administers His affairs on this earth is His Firstborn Son, known as Jehovah in the Old Testament. He gave Jesus the full “Fatherly” authority to organize and govern the earth, then through the Atonement Jesus became the Father of the faithful. The Savior thus became the chief advocate of the Father’s plan.
Because Jesus is one with God and is also God, the Old Testament prophets sometimes referred to Him as “Jehovah Elohim,” which the King James translators rendered “Lord God.” To avoid awkward repetition, “Lord God” was used to translate the Hebrew phrase “Adonai Jehovah,” which otherwise would translate as “Lord Lord” (see Genesis 15:2, 8; Deuteronomy 3:24). Thus, in the King James Version of the Old Testament, the Hebrew word for Jehovah is almost always translated just this way: Lord or God.
One other name or title of Jesus needs explanation. He is known as Jesus the Christ. The word Christ comes from the Greek word christos, which means “the anointed one.” The Greeks used the title Christos to translate the Hebrew word meshiach, which means “the anointed one.” The Hebrew word has been anglicized into messiah. Jesus the Christ means “Jesus the Messiah.”

(A-3) Jesus Christ: The God of This World​

There was confusion in the minds of the later Jews, Jesus’ own people, regarding the identity of their God because they no longer understood their own scriptures. That is likewise the problem today with most of the Christian world. The mystery of understanding the identity of the God of the Old Testament arose in both cases because of wickedness and the loss of many plain and precious truths from the scriptures. By contrast, Jesus said that life eternal consisted of gaining a full knowledge of the Father and the Son (see John 17:3). In the final analysis the individual comes to know the true God through experiences that train him to be like Him, and thus he understands, or knows, Him (see 1 John 2:3; 3:1–2; Ether 2–3).
By the time Christ came, the Jews had lost the knowledge of the three distinct members of the Godhead. They had lost the truth that Jehovah, who had given them the law of Moses, would come into the world as the Redeemer of all mankind, even though the prophets had clearly taught this principle (see 1 Corinthians 10:4; 3 Nephi 15:10; Isaiah 41:14; 44:6). They yearned for the appearance of the promised Messiah as a political savior to free them from Roman rule. But Matthew testified that John the Baptist, who prepared the way for Jesus, was “he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, … Prepare ye the way of the Lord” (Matthew 3:3). This is a reference to Isaiah 40:3, where the word Lord is used to mean Jehovah. Christ Himself told the Jews in Jerusalem that “before Abraham was, I am” (John 8:58). The people considered this blasphemy and picked up stones to kill Him, because they realized that His using the phrase I am in this way was another way of saying “I am Jehovah” (see v. 59).

All scriptures point to Christ.

(A-4) Scriptural Evidence That Jesus Christ Is the God of the Old Testament​

Abinadi, testifying before the court of the wicked King Noah, bore witness that all the prophets from the earliest times had testified that God (Jehovah) would “come down among the children of men, and take upon him the form of man” (Mosiah 13:34; see also v. 33). Latter-day Saints, who have the benefit of additional scripture, are taught this truth very clearly. For example, the Doctrine and Covenants shows that Jesus Christ is Jehovah and the great “I Am” (see D&C 110:3–4; 29:1).
But many in the Christian world have not carefully considered the evidence found in the Bible, which clearly teaches that Jehovah is the premortal Jesus. The following scriptures are only a sampling of the biblical evidence. (Remember that Lord means that Jehovah is the Hebrew word used.)

Old Testament	New Testament
Jesus (Jehovah) was the Creator of the world.	“Thus saith the Lord, … I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded” (Isaiah 45:11–12).	“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. … All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.” (John 1:1, 3.)
Jehovah is the Savior.	“Yet I am the Lord thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me” (Hosea 13:4).	“For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord” (Luke 2:11).
Jehovah is the Redeemer.	“Thus saith the Lord, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel” (Isaiah 43:14).	“Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law” (Galatians 3:13).
Jehovah will deliver men from death.	“I [Jehovah] will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction” (Hosea 13:14).	“But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” (1 Corinthians 15:20–22.)
The Jews will look upon Jehovah who was pierced.	“And I [Jehovah] will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn” (Zechariah 12:10).	“But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water. … For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.” (John 19:34, 36–37.)
Jesus followed Israel in the wilderness during the Exodus.	“And the Lord went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night: he took not away the pillar of the cloud by day, nor the pillar of fire by night, from before the people” (Exodus 13:21–22).	“Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; and were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; and did all eat the same spiritual meat; and did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ” (1 Corinthians 10:1–4).
Jehovah is the husband or bridegroom.	“For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; the God of the whole earth shall he be called” (Isaiah 54:5).	“Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.” (Revelation 19:7–8.)
Jehovah is the first and the last (alpha and omega).	“Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God” (Isaiah 44:6).	“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty” (Revelation 1:8).

(A-5) The Importance of Knowing the Identity of the God of the Old Testament​

Many people, including numerous Bible scholars, have concluded that the God depicted in the Old Testament was the product of the superstitions and primitive beliefs of a primitive and superstitious people. They come to this conclusion because they see things that seem contradictory to their conception of the God of the New Testament. To know that the Lord of the Old Testament was the premortal Jesus Christ has tremendous implications, however, not only for a correct understanding of the Old Testament and the New Testament, but also for a correct understanding of the nature and purposes of God and of man’s relationship to each member of the Godhead.
For example, the same Person who said, “Love your enemies” (Matthew 5:44), said of the Canaanites in the land of promise, “Thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: but thou shalt utterly destroy them” (Deuteronomy 20:16–17). The same Savior who said to forgive “seventy times seven” (Matthew 18:22) destroyed the entire population of the earth with the exception of eight souls (see Genesis 7–8).
On the other hand, the Jesus of the New Testament who said that one who refuses to forgive another’s trespasses will be “delivered … to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due” (Matthew 18:34–35) is the Lord of the Old Testament who said, “Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool” (Isaiah 1:18). And the Christ depicted in the book of Revelation, who is shown with the great sickle ready to reap the grapes of the earth and tread them in the winepress (see Revelation 14:14, 20), is the same God of the Old Testament who said to Micah, “What doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?” (Micah 6:8).
There is no inconsistency in the nature of God. He is always perfectly merciful and loving, but He is also perfectly just and will not “look upon sin with the least degree of allowance” (D&C 1:31). As He said to Joseph Smith, “God doth not walk in crooked paths, neither doth he turn to the right hand nor to the left, … his paths are straight, and his course is one eternal round” (D&C 3:2). In the Old Testament is the same perfectly consistent God found in all scripture. In the Old Testament great richness is added to the understanding of God and how He deals with His children, blessing them according to their obedience and receptivity, or punishing them for rebellion and wickedness. If one would get to know Christ better, one must study the Old Testament, for in His role as Jehovah He permeates the whole record. Jesus Christ is the God of the Old Testament just as He is the God of the earth today. Keeping this important fact constantly in mind is one of the keys to understanding both the Old Testament and the nature of God.

Catholicism put-GOD and LORD in the OT and removed Gods name=YHVH(Jehovah) by satans will to mislead, they had no right to alter Gods bible-- Thus you are mislead to think LORD in the OT is Jesus but it is not, LORD does not belong in a real translation. The mislead religions use the altered versions. You best relook while there is time.

 

[hobelim]

No Jesus is not Jehovah

Right. His "enemies" falsely accused Jesus of claiming equality with God TO DISCREDIT HIM because even in the first century, just like it still is today, anybody that claims to be God in human form is completely INSANE.

And, if God IS God, anyone who worships a man has died and descended into hell, the realm of the dead, and is lost in a nightmare, a perverse Roman delusion, an artificially induced state of mind that resembles a deep sleep.

 

[kjw47]

Right. His "enemies" falsely accused Jesus of claiming equality with God TO DISCREDIT HIM because even in the first century, just like it still is today, anybody that claims to be God in human form is completely INSANE.

And, if God IS God, anyone who worships a man has died and descended into hell, the realm of the dead, and is lost in a nightmare, a perverse Roman delusion, an artificially induced state of mind that resembles a deep sleep.

Hades= the grave, not a place of eternal suffering. All thought stops.
Yes the Israelite leaders lied about Jesus. Ones in darkness are told to believe them on that account of them saying he made himself equal with God, but he NEVER did, Jesus assured they were liars and their father was the devil.

 

[ding]

His "enemies" falsely accused Jesus of claiming equality with God TO DISCREDIT HIM because even in the first century, just like it still is today, anybody that claims to be God in human form is completely INSANE.

Except the ones that perform 40 something miracles and rise from the dead.

 

[onefour1]

Isaiah 12:2
2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the Lord Jehovah is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

 

[hobelim]

Hades= the grave, not a place of eternal suffering.

Right.

"There are dead people everywhere. Walking around like regular people. They don't see each other. They only see what they want to see. They don't know that they're dead." They are living under a very strong delusion. Their suffering can only last until their body dies if they do not repent, snap out of their hypnotic state, and rise from the grave. If they have not RISEN before death upon their physical death they will be judged according to their words and deeds. Eternal life for some, destruction for others. God is not a sadistic prick. Eternal life isn't for everyone.

Yes the Israelite leaders lied about Jesus. Ones in darkness are told to believe them on that account of them saying he made himself equal with God, but he NEVER did,

I agree that Jesus never claimed to be God. By saying that his God is our God Jesus effectively eliminated any possibility that he thought of himself as God or claimed to be God;

But go and tell my brothers 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, my God and your God." Jn 20:17

Jesus assured they were liars and their father was the devil.

The devil represents a human archetype that tries to promote as good what God has forbidden under penalty of death. Not physical death. The proof is that when Jesus said "Satan was a murderer from the beginning" he was referring to the story of Adam and Eve where Satan literally didn't murder anyone. It follows then that the murder was "beguiling" Adam and Eve into doing what God told them would result in death, expulsion from Eden into a dark wilderness teeming with crafty unclean creatures, always on the prowl for a clueless victim. The sweat of their brow, thinking, only producing thorns and thistles, NOTHING, for the rest of their hapless lives in hades.

Only the blind 'believe' that Satan is an invisible disembodied entity that tries to get people to do naughty things. Even if a brazen liar is standing right in front of them trying to get them to seek spiritual life from a cracker. Damn.

All thought stops.

Right.

All rational thought and self awareness stops. The dead know nothing even though they gibber incoherently, a lot

Just as ding so perfectly demonstrates. He even pays 'a devil' for the privilege of being murdered at mass, dying, believing that he is celebrating the sacrifice of Jesus even though he is the one being ruthlessly slaughtered.

Copra sanctum!

Such is "the power of death" consequent to defying the Law of God, used by Rome to conquer "the nations".

 

[ding]

Right.

"There are dead people everywhere. Walking around like regular people. They don't see each other. They only see what they want to see. They don't know that they're dead." They are living under a very strong delusion. Their suffering can only last until their body dies if they do not repent, snap out of their hypnotic state, and rise from the grave. If they have not RISEN before death upon their physical death they will be judged according to their words and deeds. Eternal life for some, destruction for others. God is not a sadistic prick. Eternal life isn't for everyone.


I agree that Jesus never claimed to be God. By saying that his God is our God Jesus effectively eliminated any possibility that he thought of himself as God or claimed to be God;

But go and tell my brothers 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, my God and your God." Jn 20:17


The devil represents a human archetype that tries to promote as good what God has forbidden under penalty of death. Not physical death. The proof is that when Jesus said "Satan was a murderer from the beginning" he was referring to the story of Adam and Eve where Satan literally didn't murder anyone. It follows then that the murder was "beguiling" Adam and Eve into doing what God told them would result in death, expulsion from Eden into a dark wilderness teeming with crafty unclean creatures, always on the prowl for a clueless victim. The sweat of their brow, thinking, only producing thorns and thistles, NOTHING, for the rest of their hapless lives in hades.

Only the blind 'believe' that Satan is an invisible disembodied entity that tries to get people to do naughty things. Even if a brazen liar is standing right in front of them trying to get them to seek spiritual life from a cracker. Damn.


Right.

All rational thought and self awareness stops. The dead know nothing even though they gibber incoherently, a lot

Just as ding so perfectly demonstrates. He even pays 'the devil' for the privilege of being murdered at mass, dying, believing he is celebrating the sacrifice of Jesus even though he is the one being ruthlessly slaughtered.

That sounds like the secularized version. Something a militant atheist is sheep’s clothing would argue. Which still makes you a religious nutjob.

 

[hobelim]

That sounds like the secularized version. Something a militant atheist is sheep’s clothing would argue. Which still makes you a religious nutjob.

See kjw47? Case in point! The dead know nothing. They don't even know that they are dead. Biblically speaking.

Ding died a long time ago and is still dead. Irrefutable proof that Law of my God remains in effect and in full force.

 

[ding]

See kjw47? Case in point! The dead know nothing. They don't even know that they are dead. Biblically speaking.

Ding died a long time ago and is still dead. Irrefutable proof that Law of my God remains in effect and in full force.

Exactly what I would expect a religious nutjob would say.

 

[hobelim]

Exactly what I would expect a religious nutjob would say.

And your brilliant response to the irrefutable truth that you are an idolator, who has set aside the Law of my Godto seek spiritual life from a lifeless piece of bread made by human hands, as if salvation, eternal life itself, can be handed out and eaten like a cheap snack food, calling me a religious nut job, lol, is exactly what a forlorn and tortured voice from the grave would say. And some people don't believe in Divine Law or "the death" a curse.

Imagine that!

 

[ding]

And your brilliant response to the irrefutable truth that you are an idolator, who has set aside the Law of my God to seek spiritual life from a lifeless piece of bread made by human hands, as if salvation, eternal life itself, can be handed out and eaten like a cheap snack food, calling me a religious nut job, lol, is exactly what a forlorn and tortured voice from the grave would say. And some people don't believe in Divine law or "the death" a curse.

Imagine that!

What could possibly be a better response than to tell a religious nutjob he’s behaving like a religious nutjob when he’s behaving like a religious nutjob?

 

[hobelim]

What could possibly be a better response than to tell a religious nutjob he’s behaving like a religious nutjob when he’s behaving like a religious nutjob?

What could be be better? Admitting what this religious nutjob clearly said; Openly seeking spiritual life at mass from a lifeless piece of bread MADE BY HUMAN HANDS is a violation of Divine Law under penalty of death.

How hard is that? Where is your 'faith' in truth? If you're not careful people are going to think you're full of shit.

It's not like you're invisible.

 

[BreezeWood]

What could possibly be a better response than to tell a religious nutjob he’s behaving like a religious nutjob when he’s behaving like a religious nutjob?

mirror, mirror on the wall ...

who has the liest to say of them all ...

 

[kjw47]

Right.

"There are dead people everywhere. Walking around like regular people. They don't see each other. They only see what they want to see. They don't know that they're dead." They are living under a very strong delusion. Their suffering can only last until their body dies if they do not repent, snap out of their hypnotic state, and rise from the grave. If they have not RISEN before death upon their physical death they will be judged according to their words and deeds. Eternal life for some, destruction for others. God is not a sadistic prick. Eternal life isn't for everyone.


I agree that Jesus never claimed to be God. By saying that his God is our God Jesus effectively eliminated any possibility that he thought of himself as God or claimed to be God;

But go and tell my brothers 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, my God and your God." Jn 20:17


The devil represents a human archetype that tries to promote as good what God has forbidden under penalty of death. Not physical death. The proof is that when Jesus said "Satan was a murderer from the beginning" he was referring to the story of Adam and Eve where Satan literally didn't murder anyone. It follows then that the murder was "beguiling" Adam and Eve into doing what God told them would result in death, expulsion from Eden into a dark wilderness teeming with crafty unclean creatures, always on the prowl for a clueless victim. The sweat of their brow, thinking, only producing thorns and thistles, NOTHING, for the rest of their hapless lives in hades.

Only the blind 'believe' that Satan is an invisible disembodied entity that tries to get people to do naughty things. Even if a brazen liar is standing right in front of them trying to get them to seek spiritual life from a cracker. Damn.


Right.

All rational thought and self awareness stops. The dead know nothing even though they gibber incoherently, a lot

Just as ding so perfectly demonstrates. He even pays 'a devil' for the privilege of being murdered at mass, dying, believing that he is celebrating the sacrifice of Jesus even though he is the one being ruthlessly slaughtered.

Copra sanctum!

Such is "the power of death" consequent to defying the Law of God, used by Rome to conquer "the nations".

The dead rot in the grave awaiting the resurrection.
You have much false reasoning, i sure hope you aren't being taught that stuff.

 

[hobelim]

The dead rot in the grave awaiting the resurrection.

Maybe so.

Like dingbot whose words reek of putrefaction. I really don't know what he's waiting for. Time is running out.

There are two deaths. The first death is for not complying with Divine Law. The second is death of the body. And there are two resurrections. The first is the resurrection of the dead from the tomb of false religion, beliefs, ideologies, etc., Those who have died defying the Divine instruction given in the Law like you who lies in the name of God. The second resurrection is from biological death, the permanent death of the physical body.

Those who partake in the first resurrection can't be harmed by the 2nd death, death of the body.

The resurrection was never about the resumption of a former existence. It is entry into a new existence.

You have much false reasoning, i sure hope you aren't being taught that stuff.

You can tell yourself that if it makes you feel better while you rot in your own grave. Now while you have time on earth is the time to rise just like many did after Jesus first rose from the dead while in a body on earth.



What are you waiting for? The end of time? You understand neither scripture nor the power of God.