Zone1 What does The Chosen People actually mean?

[kjw47]

Not according to Jesus who said to the "good thief" right before they died,

“Truly I tell you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.” Luke 23:43

and as Jesus said to the woman in John 11:25

“I am the resurrection and the life; he who listens to Me will live even if he dies."



I guess that you are a part of that 99% which Jesus implied would be 100% = bullshit.

"However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on earth?" Luke 18:8

If he showed up today the answer would be no. Obviously YOU have been misled as well. As of today you are just another discordant sound in the cacophony of hell. Thats the truth.

You really need to learn to sing a new song if you want to live before you die so that you will continue to live the very next millisecond after your body dies and stays dead FOREVER.

Comma error in your bible
Proof= Jesus was in Hades( grave) for 3 days, thus could not be in paradise.

truly i tell you, today you will be with me in paradise=comma error
truly i tell you today, you will be with me in paradise.= correct
The resurrection occurs on the last day=here Rev 20, it has not occurred yet.

 

[kjw47]

Tell that to Moses and Elijah who appeared to the Christ and some of his disciples on the Mount of Transfiguration. Luke 9:30 tells us that Jesus spoke with both Moses and Elijah.

twisting of symbolism--FACT- The resurrection does not occur until the last day=Rev 20, it has not occurred yet.

 

[hobelim]

Proof= Jesus was in Hades( grave) for 3 days, thus could not be in paradise.

The three days in hell is an allusion to the fact that Jesus spent the first 3 decades of his life in the grave of pharisaic beliefs and practices, what He called whitewashed tombs.

This is "the sign of Jonah" who spent three days in "the belly of the beast".

Proof = Heaven "opened up to him" after he submitted to the baptism of John, and emerged from the water, done as a token of repentance for the forgiveness of sins (sin = death) which implies that he was dead and in hell before that. Mark 1:10. This is the first resurrection.

The second resurrection is from death of the body which is instantaneous, according to Jesus who said to the good thief;

“Truly I tell you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.” Luke 23:43

TODAY, not at the end of time or after three days in hell. Jesus had already done his time in hell before he died. If you don't believe me, read the story.

Comma error? Seriously? PFT

Maybe his disciples spent three days in hell before Jesus appeared to them in dreams and convinced them he survived death and was living in the realm of God = the reward of the righteous.

It was a Jewish belief at the time that the soul did not leave the body after death for 3 days. They were just wrong. A spirit will leave the body immediately after the last breath is taken.

 

[hobelim]

twisting of symbolism--FACT- The resurrection does not occur until the last day=Rev 20, it has not occurred yet.

Then how do you explain the FACT that according to Jesus "sinners" and prostitutes were entering the kingdom of God before the pharisees, while they were still alive. 2000 years ago

Matthew 21:31

Smarten up! Did Lazarus rise from the dead before the end of time? You have been misled.

Is that too hard to believe?

Remember this is the planet earth, a dark wilderness of sin teeming with unclean creatures. May I offer you a fig leaf or teach you to stitch together animal skins to hide your shame?

 

[onefour1]

twisting of symbolism--FACT- The resurrection does not occur until the last day=Rev 20, it has not occurred yet.

Don't you realize that Jesus Christ was the first to resurrect? If Jesus was the first to resurrect, then how could Moses and Elijah appear to the Christ on the Mount of Transfiguration and have a conversation with him if they were not yet resurrected? What you need to become familiar with is that our spirits are eternal living beings. When we die, our bodies separate from our spirits and the body dies but the spirit does not. Another thing you need to come to grips with is that there have been people who have been translated at times. Translation is allowing of the mortal body to continue living beyond its normal years for a certain period of time. Enoch is an example of one who was translated:

Hebrews 11:5
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Our spirits do not have fleshy bodies as Jesus described to his disciples in Luke 24:

Luke 24:36-43
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
thoughts
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

Jesus knew what a spirit was. It is a disembodied living being having a spiritual body and not a physical body. Lucifer and his minions are spirits. They were denied the opportunity to have a body of flesh and bones. Sometimes they try to inhabit the bodies that we have. Jesus on several occasions cast out evil spirits from those having bodies of flesh and bones.

Matthew 10:1
1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

These spirits are very much alive and try at times to possess the bodies of those who have them. All mankind have a spirit within them that is alive. God the Father and Jesus Christ have a spirit that is embodied in an immortal body of flesh and bones, but the Holy Ghost does not have a body of flesh and bones but is a righteous spirit. Because of this he is able to enter our bodies and touch our hearts in miraculous ways. Thus it is important to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Before we came to this earth, we existed in the presence of God as his spirit children. It was we who fought against Lucifer and his minions in the war in heaven and because of Lucifer's rebellion against God, He and his minions were denied the opportunity to receive bodies of flesh and bones in this life. Those of us who sided with the Father and the Christ were allowed to come to earth and receive bodies of flesh and bones. At some point in the future we will all be resurrected and receive immortal bodies of flesh and bones just as our Lord Jesus Christ received as the first to resurrect. Yes, when Jesus died and before he was resurrected, he went among the spirits of the dead and taught them his gospel and set up and system whereby when men die they can still hear and receive his gospel and be accepted into his kingdom.

Doctrine and Covenants 138

 

[hobelim]

Don't you realize that Jesus Christ was the first to resurrect?

Nonsense.

Every time that God "raised up" a prophet they were resurrected, raised up, from the dead.

 

[onefour1]

Nonsense.

Every time that God "raised up" a prophet they were resurrected, raised up, from the dead.

Not according to the Bible. Jesus was the first to resurrect from the dead.

Acts 26:23
23 23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

See also Colossians 1:18 and Revelations 1:5.

 

[kjw47]

The three days in hell is an allusion to the fact that Jesus spent the first 3 decades of his life in the grave of pharisaic beliefs and practices, what He called whitewashed tombs.

This is "the sign of Jonah" who spent three days in "the belly of the beast".

Proof = Heaven "opened up to him" after he submitted to the baptism of John, and emerged from the water, done as a token of repentance for the forgiveness of sins (sin = death) which implies that he was dead and in hell before that. Mark 1:10. This is the first resurrection.

The second resurrection is from death of the body which is instantaneous, according to Jesus who said to the good thief;

“Truly I tell you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.” Luke 23:43

TODAY, not at the end of time or after three days in hell. Jesus had already done his time in hell before he died. If you don't believe me, read the story.

Comma error? Seriously? PFT

Maybe his disciples spent three days in hell before Jesus appeared to them in dreams and convinced them he survived death and was living in the realm of God = the reward of the righteous.

It was a Jewish belief at the time that the soul did not leave the body after death for 3 days. They were just wrong. A spirit will leave the body immediately after the last breath is taken.

The resurrection occurs on the last day-John 6:54--Here at Rev 20 during the 1000 year reign of Christ and the little flock. It has not occurred yet for the thief.

 

[kjw47]

Then how do you explain the FACT that according to Jesus "sinners" and prostitutes were entering the kingdom of God before the pharisees, while they were still alive. 2000 years ago

Matthew 21:31

Smarten up! Did Lazarus rise from the dead before the end of time? You have been misled.

Is that too hard to believe?

Remember this is the planet earth, a dark wilderness of sin teeming with unclean creatures. May I offer you a fig leaf or teach you to stitch together animal skins to hide your shame?

You twisting what Jesus said. Show me where sinners and prostitutes enter Gods kingdom.

 

[kjw47]

Don't you realize that Jesus Christ was the first to resurrect? If Jesus was the first to resurrect, then how could Moses and Elijah appear to the Christ on the Mount of Transfiguration and have a conversation with him if they were not yet resurrected? What you need to become familiar with is that our spirits are eternal living beings. When we die, our bodies separate from our spirits and the body dies but the spirit does not. Another thing you need to come to grips with is that there have been people who have been translated at times. Translation is allowing of the mortal body to continue living beyond its normal years for a certain period of time. Enoch is an example of one who was translated:

Hebrews 11:5
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Our spirits do not have fleshy bodies as Jesus described to his disciples in Luke 24:

Luke 24:36-43
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
thoughts
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

Jesus knew what a spirit was. It is a disembodied living being having a spiritual body and not a physical body. Lucifer and his minions are spirits. They were denied the opportunity to have a body of flesh and bones. Sometimes they try to inhabit the bodies that we have. Jesus on several occasions cast out evil spirits from those having bodies of flesh and bones.

Matthew 10:1
1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

These spirits are very much alive and try at times to possess the bodies of those who have them. All mankind have a spirit within them that is alive. God the Father and Jesus Christ have a spirit that is embodied in an immortal body of flesh and bones, but the Holy Ghost does not have a body of flesh and bones but is a righteous spirit. Because of this he is able to enter our bodies and touch our hearts in miraculous ways. Thus it is important to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Before we came to this earth, we existed in the presence of God as his spirit children. It was we who fought against Lucifer and his minions in the war in heaven and because of Lucifer's rebellion against God, He and his minions were denied the opportunity to receive bodies of flesh and bones in this life. Those of us who sided with the Father and the Christ were allowed to come to earth and receive bodies of flesh and bones. At some point in the future we will all be resurrected and receive immortal bodies of flesh and bones just as our Lord Jesus Christ received as the first to resurrect. Yes, when Jesus died and before he was resurrected, he went among the spirits of the dead and taught them his gospel and set up and system whereby when men die they can still hear and receive his gospel and be accepted into his kingdom.

Doctrine and Covenants 138

Enoch died. God took his life, he didn't suffer a death like others.
The resurrection spoken of=every grave will be emptied.

 

[hobelim]

You twisting what Jesus said. Show me where sinners and prostitutes enter Gods kingdom.

Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth. Tax collectors and prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God before you!" (Mathew 21:31)

 

[hobelim]

The resurrection occurs on the last day-John 6:54--Here at Rev 20 during the 1000 year reign of Christ and the little flock. It has not occurred yet for the thief.

No.

Everything Jesus said from John 6:54-58 shows that eating his flesh, accepting his teaching, can only be done while alive and is the first resurrection. Being raised up on the "last day" (of their life) is the second resurrection which happens immediately upon physical death.

The resurrection is not the resumption of a former existence, it is entry into a new existence

"Those who take part in the 1st resurrection cannot be harmed by the 2nd death." Rev 20:6

The first death is from setting aside Divine Law, the second death is the death of the body.

If you had the least bit of "faith" and knew what Jesus was teaching you would have been done with your addled religious bullshit story and risen from your grave a very long time ago

 

[kjw47]

Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth. Tax collectors and prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God before you!" (Mathew 21:31)

Yes tax collectors and prostitutes that repented and turned around( Acts 3:19) and obeyed Jesus. The Israelite spiritual teachers refused, to this day refuse.

 

[kjw47]

No.

Everything Jesus said from John 6:54-58 shows that eating his flesh, accepting his teaching, can only be done while alive and is the first resurrection. Being raised up on the "last day" (of their life) is the second resurrection which happens immediately upon physical death.

The resurrection is not the resumption of a former existence, it is entry into a new existence

"Those who take part in the 1st resurrection cannot be harmed by the 2nd death." Rev 20:6

The first death is from setting aside Divine Law, the second death is the death of the body.

If you had the least bit of "faith" and knew what Jesus was teaching you would have been done with your addled religious bullshit story and risen from your grave a very long time ago

Only the little flock=144,000 are apart of the first resurrection. That began when Jesus received his crown-Rev 6:2) Only the 144,000 are bought from the Earth( Rev 14:3)---- Rev 20 resurrection is to the Earth.

 

[onefour1]

Enoch died. God took his life, he didn't suffer a death like others.
The resurrection spoken of=every grave will be emptied.

No, Enoch did not die. He was translated:

Hebrews 11:5
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Translated Beings

 

[hobelim]

Yes tax collectors and prostitutes that repented and turned around( Acts 3:19) and obeyed Jesus.

Right. And what do you suppose the subject of the resurrection is about if not exactly that? Was Jesus talking about the end of time when he said this?;

"A time is coming, indeed it is already here, (2000 years ago), when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God and all who listen will rise to life."

Think! You can do it!

The Israelite spiritual teachers refused, to this day refuse.

So what. If Jesus claimed to be God, as Christian profess to believe, then he was insane. But he did not. Anyone who says that Jesus claimed to be God has brought the name of Jesus into disrepute among intelligent people.

So the irrefutable truth is that the Jewish people have always been right to reject out of hand the false substitute counterfeit Jesus that Christians worship, an imaginary triune mangod conjured from the depths of a roman hell and unleashed on the world in 325CE, created in the image and likeness of Mithras, establishing the worship of the Antichrist with all the powerful miracles of the lie that scripture is to be taken literally, based on the existing beliefs and practices of the secret Babylonian "MYSTERY RELIGION" of the Roman government and military.

 

[kjw47]

No, Enoch did not die. He was translated:

Hebrews 11:5
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Translated Beings

What was he translated to?

 

[kjw47]

Right. And what do you suppose the subject of the resurrection is about if not exactly that? Was Jesus talking about the end of time when he said this?;

"A time is coming, indeed it is already here, (2000 years ago), when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God and all who listen will rise to life."

Think! You can do it!



So what. If Jesus claimed to be God, as Christian profess to believe, then he was insane. But he did not. Anyone who says that Jesus claimed to be God has brought the name of Jesus into disrepute among intelligent people.

So the irrefutable truth is that the Jewish people have always been right to reject out of hand the false substitute counterfeit Jesus that Christians worship, an imaginary triune mangod conjured from the depths of a roman hell and unleashed on the world in 325CE, created in the image and likeness of Mithras, establishing the worship of the Antichrist with all the powerful miracles of the lie that scripture is to be taken literally, based on the existing beliefs and practices of the secret Babylonian "MYSTERY RELIGION" of the Roman government and military.

Jesus didn't claim to be God-- The ones who Jesus told-you are liars and their Father is the devil claimed he said that. John 8:43-44-

 

[onefour1]

What was he translated to?

Jesus,

quoted by Mormon

1. And it came to pass when Jesus had said these words, he spake unto his disciples, one by one, saying unto them: What is it that ye desire of me, after that I am gone to the Father?

2. And they all spake, save it were three, saying: We desire that after we have lived unto the age of man, that our ministry, wherein thou hast called us, may have an end, that we may speedily come unto thee in thy kingdom.

3. And he said unto them: Blessed are ye because ye desired this thing of me; therefore, after that ye are seventy and two years old ye shall come unto me in my kingdom; and with me ye shall find rest.

4. And when he had spoken unto them, he turned himself unto the three, and said unto them: What will ye that I should do unto you, when I am gone unto the Father?

5. And they sorrowed in their hearts, for they durst not speak unto him the thing which they desired.

6. And he said unto them: Behold, I know your thoughts, and ye have desired the thing which John, my beloved, who was with me in my ministry, before that I was lifted up by the Jews, desired of me.

7. Therefore, more blessed are ye, for ye shall never taste of death; but ye shall live to behold all the doings of the Father unto the children of men, even until all things shall be fulfilled according to the will of the Father, when I shall come in my glory with the powers of heaven.

8. And ye shall never endure the pains of death; but when I shall come in my glory ye shall be changed in the twinkling of an eye from mortality to immortality; and then shall ye be blessed in the kingdom of my Father.

9. And again, ye shall not have pain while ye shall dwell in the flesh, neither sorrow save it be for the sins of the world; and all this will I do because of the thing which ye have desired of me, for ye have desired that ye might bring the souls of men unto me, while the world shall stand. . . .

12. And it came to pass that when Jesus had spoken these words, he touched every one of them with his finger save it were the three who were to tarry, and then he departed. (Nine of the twelve disciples desire and are promised an inheritance in Christ's kingdom when they die-the three Nephites desire and are given power over death so as to remain on the earth until Jesus comes again) 3Ne.28:1-9,12

Those who are translated have their lives prolonged for a much longer time than normal mortal life. They are still mankind just with a prolonged life without pain and suffering that they might accomplish a greater work among the children of men. Eventually those who are translated will be resurrected without death and be changed in the twinkling of an eye to a fully resurrected state of being. John the apostle and revelator is a translated being now and he may have a latter-day calling in which he may suffer dead before being resurrected:

John 21:20-24
20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?

21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?

22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.

23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?

24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.

Matthew 16:27-28
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

 

[kjw47]

No, Enoch did not die. He was translated:

Hebrews 11:5
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Translated Beings

My bible says transferred at Heb 11:5