Zone1 What does The Chosen People actually mean?

[The Irish Ram]

G-d has His own logic and reason.

Yes, but He usually explains His logic. There were no Jews to choose when God made a promise to His friend Abraham. He promised to take care of Abraham's children through Isaac. That's all it is:

Genesis 12:1-3
"Go from your country and your kindred and your father's house to the land that I will show you"

• "I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great"
• "I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse"

Genesis 17

• "I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect"
• "I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly"
• "I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee
• "I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession"
• "You must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you in their generations"
• "Every male among you shall be circumcised"

 

[Woodznutz]

Don’t give him an opening. He’s a rabid antisemite.

He has yet to support any of his claims.

 

[The Irish Ram]

YOU consider it a fact, but the majority of the world does not. It is merely a belief.

Actually, the majority fall in line with Woodznutz:

In 2022, around 31.6 percent of the global population identify as Christian. Around 25.8 percent of the global population identify as Muslims, followed by 15.1 percent of global populations as Hindu.

 

[Z99]

You might benefit from a Bible study group. You are relying on your own understanding and are being mislead.
Here is what the Bible says:

Rev. 20:14...The sea gave up its dead, and Death and Hades gave up their dead, and each one was judged according to his deeds. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death— the lake of fire. And if anyone was found whose name was not written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.…

The Bible is in direct conflict with your opinion.

So Jesus teaches love and tortures people forever. That's your theology.

 

[ding]

So Jesus teaches love and tortures people forever. That's your theology.

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Seems like a false choice to me. God does not torture people who chose to have his spirit removed from them.

 

[The Irish Ram]

So Jesus teaches love and tortures people forever. That's your theology.

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Jesus died to get those people to Heaven. And gave us His perfect record to enter Heaven with, as a gift. It's certainly not His fault where they end up. Their destination is entirely up to them.

To make sure you know whose theology it is, I quoted Him, again:
Rev. 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

It's His plan you take umbrage with...

 

[Z99]

Jesus died to get those people to Heaven. And gave us His perfect record to enter Heaven with, as a gift. It's certainly not His fault where they end up. Their destination is entirely up to them.

To make sure you know whose theology it is, I quoted Him, again:
Rev. 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

It's His plan you take umbrage with...

So Jesus works diligently to save people but if they reject him Jesus gives up trying to save them and instead tortures them forever? That's your theology?

 

[The Irish Ram]

That's your theology?

lol. It would be, if my name was Jesus. He said that. It's right there in the Bible. If you think you have a better plan though, why don't you call a meeting and explain to God where He went wrong.
But don't be surprised if you hear the same thing Job heard when He questioned God's superior intellect:

Job 38:4-11 “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell me, if you know so much. Who determined its dimensions and stretched out the surveying line.

 

[Z99]

lol. It would be, if my name was Jesus. He said that. It's right there in the Bible. If you think you have a better plan though, why don't you call a meeting and explain to God where He went wrong...

You're too proud to consider the possibility that you have been misinformed. The theology that you follow and preach is exceedingly illogical and unbiblical.

 

[The Irish Ram]

I am convinced of my ability to read what Jesus said.
What do you think He meant when He said:
Rev. 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Then tell me about the Judgment Seat of Christ. Did you scratch that part of His theology out too? Because that isn't necessary under your plan for redemption, either. Where were you when He was laying out His less than perfect plan for mankind? It seems He could have used your help!

 

[BreezeWood]

What was Abraham's "irresponsible claim"?

Genesis 12:1-3
"Go from your country and your kindred and your father's house to the land that I will show you"

• "I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great"
• "I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse"

Genesis 17

• "I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect"
• "I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly"
• "I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee
• "I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession"
• "You must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you in their generations"
• "Every male among you shall be circumcised"

- the hereditary idolatry, abraham's irresponsible claim - matrilineal religion of apartheid professed by judaism.

the above was never spoken by the heavens and is the repudiation of judaism made by jesus and those in the 1st century that gave their lives for the original religion of antiquity, goal set by the heavens at the request of a&e for their own self determination for all beings to accomplish to attain judgement and admission to the everlasting. than servitude and denial of judaism.

 

[BreezeWood]

So Jesus works diligently to save people but if they reject him Jesus gives up trying to save them and instead tortures them forever? That's your theology?

jesus taught liberation theology, self determination the heavenly religion of antiquity -

what you profess are the claims made by judaism to have jesus crucified and misconstrued by christianity in their 4th century christian bible for their purposes than anything bearing on the 1st century events.

 

[Z99]

Rev. 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

What happens there and how long does it take?

 

[The Irish Ram]

What happens there and how long does it take?

How long does your Bible say it is for?

 

[Z99]

How long does your Bible say it is for?

An undetermined period of time but not forever.

 

[The Irish Ram]

An undetermined period of time but not forever.

No. it does not say that. Eternal means never ending.

Matthew 18:8 If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than to have two hands and two feet and be thrown into the eternal fire.

Jude 7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, having indulged in sexual immorality and having gone after strange flesh, in like manner with them are set forth as an example, undergoing the penalty of eternal fire.

There is nothing in the Bible about those in the eternal Lake of Fire ever being removed. To assume so is merely assumption with no scripture to substantiate it.

 

[Z99]

No. it does not say that. Eternal means never ending.

Matthew 18:8 If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than to have two hands and two feet and be thrown into the eternal fire.

Jude 7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, having indulged in sexual immorality and having gone after strange flesh, in like manner with them are set forth as an example, undergoing the penalty of eternal fire.

There is nothing in the Bible about those in the eternal Lake of Fire ever being removed. To assume so is merely assumption with no scripture to substantiate it.

Are you willing to talk through private messages?

 

[The Irish Ram]

Are you willing to talk through private messages?

Not now. We're about to kick back and watch a movie, but possibly tomorrow.

 

[Z99]

Not now. We're about to kick back and watch a movie, but possibly tomorrow.

Ok. Enjoy. I'll send you a PM.

 

[hobelim]

That's pretty idiotic considered Leviticus 18:22 is surrounded by about 20 other commands against other sexually deviant practices. Do you have an alternate reality explanation for each and everyone? Or do you just limit your fantasies to commands against men butt fucking men.

When the prophets described Israel as unfaithful did it have anything to do with sex? When Jesus said that only an adulterous generation seeks a sign did it have anything to do with sex? Pervert.

And BTW you are the only one here who is limiting their fantasies to and obsessing over anal sex as you brazenly defy the first command by lifting your skirt for a cup full of disgusting obscenities

How does anal sex between a man and a woman rank with your edible trinity that diddled a virgin?