What do normal people - think of Israel?

[cnm]

It is doubtful, given the political and uncooperative nature of the Palestinians, that any UN Coalition is going to attempt to correct the unintentional consequences that have arose since that time.

Oh, another one, normal people think Israel intentionally settles in the Occupied Territory. But that is covered by 'thieving' in the list.

Hoho, that's rather a large category.

 

[Mindful]

No, I am not saying Hitler never went into Poland.

Then why the attempt to change the subject to Austria?

I didn't attempt to change the subject (was there one?) to Austria.

 

[docmauser1]

Good.

So you'll understand that normal people sort of look at Israel sideways. And check their documents after it's visited.

That's indicative of pananoia, and it's not normal, of course. hehe

 

[docmauser1]

I'm not talking about Israel proper.

Anything our honorable billo_really is posting is improper, of course.

They were not mandated by the UN in the West Bank, Gaza strip, Golan Heights or East Jerusalem. Those areas, the Israeli's took by force, which has been outlawed since the end of WWII. And the only ones committing genocide these days, are the Israeli's.

Our honorable billo_really has blown his Grafik Phuturistik InteRface again.181 is a worthless, non-binding resolution, that became null and void once the UNSC refused to vote on it. It has no legal authority whatsoever. It's also a bullshit document that gave 70% of the land, to 30% of the population.[/QUOTE]Our honorable billo really isn't good with geography and percentages, but is good with drivelissimo and californian lightbulbs.

 

[docmauser1]

The thread's about what the abnormal palistan-cheerleaders think of Israel, of course.

Yet evidence has been produced to show that what normal people think about Israel is not baseless. Assuming the posture of the persecuted victim is the default position of rule of knee jerk Israel supporters, rather than accepting these people have reason for their thoughts on Israel. Such a course is leaving Israel and its supporters more and more isolated at a time when Israel can least afford it. Still, none so blind as those who will not see.

All paranoiacs are thereby advised to get an RFID chip implanted into them.

 

[docmauser1]

The thread's about what the abnormal palistan-cheerleaders think of Israel, of course.

Yet evidence has been produced to show that what normal people think about Israel is not baseless. Assuming the posture of the persecuted victim is the default position of rule of knee jerk Israel supporters, rather than accepting these people have reason for their thoughts on Israel. Such a course is leaving Israel and its supporters more and more isolated at a time when Israel can least afford it. Still, none so blind as those who will not see.

Paranoid individuals are thereby advised to have an RFID chip implanted.

 

[docmauser1]

Are we changing topic to what normal people think about Likud?

That much we know, of course. So, what do abnormal[/d] people think about likud?

 

[docmauser1]

Rehmani, gtopa1, Billo_Really, et al,
I'm getting confused as to what the issue is here. ...

The issues are plain old palistanian drivel/bullshitting and jew-baiting for entertainment purposes, of course.

 

[docmauser1]

The 2004 Israel–New Zealand passport scandal was an incident of passport fraud in July 2004 that led New Zealand to take diplomatic sanctions against Israel. High-level contacts between the two countries were suspended after two Israeli citizens suspected of being Mossad agents, Uriel Kelman and Eli Cara, were caught trying to fraudulently acquire a New Zealand passport using the identity of a man with cerebral palsy. Prime Minister Helen Clark declared that New Zealand government viewed the acts carried out by Kelman and Cara as "not only utterly unacceptable but also a breach of New Zealand sovereignty and international law."

The ten-year-old stale moldy "news". [cue yawn]

 

[docmauser1]

It is doubtful, given the political and uncooperative nature of the Palestinians, that any UN Coalition is going to attempt to correct the unintentional consequences that have arose since that time.

Oh, another one, normal people think Israel intentionally settles in the Occupied Territory. But that is covered by 'thieving' in the list.

So, why do palistanians occupy that territory?

 

[Phoenall]

Good.

So you'll understand that normal people sort of look at Israel sideways. And check their documents after it's visited.

Only if they are criminals, the rest don't need to do anything.

You can soon find if you are trusted by the Jews when they sell you their home for 24 to 36 hours and then buy it back

 

[Phoenall]

Oh, I make no pretense about objectivity and neutrality. I am solidly in Israel's corner and have openly declared thus on this forum on multiple occasions. It's just that I'm helping you to 'out' yourself as lacking objectivity and neutrality and being solidly in Palestine's corner - a simple matter of tactical Enemy Identification, mostly for the benefit of the handful of folks visiting the forum who had not yet bothered to look long enough to figure that out for themselves yet.

I haven't discussed Palestine. This thread is about what normal people think of Israel.

You're projecting your inability to accept what normal people think of Israel.

First you need to define just who you mean by "normal people" and who is excluded from that definition

 

[Phoenall]

Hoho, next you'll be talking about WMD being north east west and south of Tikrit.

NOPE but they are in gaza, and they are fired at Israeli children on a regular basis

Oh for gods' sakes.

What would you call qassams that were loaded with shrapnel coated in chemical and/or biological agents then ? And hamas have admitted to using these against Israel

 

[Phoenall]

You are WRONG!! Israel has been mandated by the UN and is as legitimate a country as any. That is not the problem except for genocidal low lifes.

I'm not talking about Israel proper. They were not mandated by the UN in the West Bank, Gaza strip, Golan Heights or East Jerusalem. Those areas, the Israeli's took by force, which has been outlawed since the end of WWII. And the only ones committing genocide these days, are the Israeli's.

UN General Assembly Resolution 181

Requests that

1. The Security Council take the necessary measures as provided for in the plan for its implementation;
2. The Security Council consider, if circumstances during the transitional period require such consideration, whether the situation in Palestine constitutes a threat to the peace. If it decides that such a threat exists, and in order to maintain international peace and security, the Security Council should supplement the authorization of the General Assembly by taking measures, under Articles 39 and 41 of the Charter, to empower the United Nations Commission, as provided in this resolution, to exercise in Palestine the functions which are assigned to it by this resolution;
3. The Security Council determine as a threat to the peace, breach of the peace or act of aggression, in accordance with Article 39 of the Charter, any attempt to alter by force the settlement envisaged by this resolution;
4. The Trusteeship Council be informed of the responsibilities envisaged for it in this plan;

Calls upon the inhabitants of Palestine to take such steps as may be necessary on their part to put this plan into effect;

Appeals to all Governments and all peoples to refrain from taking any action which might hamper or delay the carrying out of these recommendations, and

Authorizes the Secretary-General to reimburse travel and subsistence expenses of the members of the Commission referred to in Part 1, Section B, Paragraph I below, on such basis and in such form as he may determine most appropriate in the circumstances, and to provide the Commission with the necessary staff to assist in carrying out the functions assigned to the Commission by the General Assembly.*

You know this already; nothing new here. so why the genocidal murderous intent?? You must really HATE those Israeli Arabs!!!

Greg

181 is a worthless, non-binding resolution, that became null and void once the UNSC refused to vote on it. It has no legal authority whatsoever. It's also a bullshit document that gave 70% of the land, to 30% of the population.

So when Egypt took gaza and Jordan took the west bank by force why wasn't that illegal

 

[gtopa1]

You are WRONG!! Israel has been mandated by the UN and is as legitimate a country as any. That is not the problem except for genocidal low lifes.

I'm not talking about Israel proper. They were not mandated by the UN in the West Bank, Gaza strip, Golan Heights or East Jerusalem. Those areas, the Israeli's took by force, which has been outlawed since the end of WWII. And the only ones committing genocide these days, are the Israeli's.

UN General Assembly Resolution 181

Requests that

1. The Security Council take the necessary measures as provided for in the plan for its implementation;
2. The Security Council consider, if circumstances during the transitional period require such consideration, whether the situation in Palestine constitutes a threat to the peace. If it decides that such a threat exists, and in order to maintain international peace and security, the Security Council should supplement the authorization of the General Assembly by taking measures, under Articles 39 and 41 of the Charter, to empower the United Nations Commission, as provided in this resolution, to exercise in Palestine the functions which are assigned to it by this resolution;
3. The Security Council determine as a threat to the peace, breach of the peace or act of aggression, in accordance with Article 39 of the Charter, any attempt to alter by force the settlement envisaged by this resolution;
4. The Trusteeship Council be informed of the responsibilities envisaged for it in this plan;

Calls upon the inhabitants of Palestine to take such steps as may be necessary on their part to put this plan into effect;

Appeals to all Governments and all peoples to refrain from taking any action which might hamper or delay the carrying out of these recommendations, and

Authorizes the Secretary-General to reimburse travel and subsistence expenses of the members of the Commission referred to in Part 1, Section B, Paragraph I below, on such basis and in such form as he may determine most appropriate in the circumstances, and to provide the Commission with the necessary staff to assist in carrying out the functions assigned to the Commission by the General Assembly.*

You know this already; nothing new here. so why the genocidal murderous intent?? You must really HATE those Israeli Arabs!!!

Greg

181 is a worthless, non-binding resolution, that became null and void once the UNSC refused to vote on it. It has no legal authority whatsoever. It's also a bullshit document that gave 70% of the land, to 30% of the population.

So when Egypt took gaza and Jordan took the west bank by force why wasn't that illegal

It is interesting that the enlightened useful idiots use UN "stuff" when it suits them but don't see anything binding in the nations Assembled recognising the state of Israel. Do these same people say that Kuwait had no right to exist? They poorly disguise their anti-Semetism, including Israeli Arabs.

Greg

 

[cnm]

The ten-year-old stale moldy "news". [cue yawn]

News like that is indeed worth deflecting. I mean, what would normal people think?

 

[cnm]

So you'll understand that normal people sort of look at Israel sideways. And check their documents after it's visited.

Only if they are criminals, the rest don't need to do anything.

You misunderstand. Normal people check to see whether they still have their documents after Israel has visited them.

 

[Challenger]

You are WRONG!! Israel has been mandated by the UN and is as legitimate a country as any. That is not the problem except for genocidal low lifes.

I'm not talking about Israel proper. They were not mandated by the UN in the West Bank, Gaza strip, Golan Heights or East Jerusalem. Those areas, the Israeli's took by force, which has been outlawed since the end of WWII. And the only ones committing genocide these days, are the Israeli's.

UN General Assembly Resolution 181

Requests that

1. The Security Council take the necessary measures as provided for in the plan for its implementation;
2. The Security Council consider, if circumstances during the transitional period require such consideration, whether the situation in Palestine constitutes a threat to the peace. If it decides that such a threat exists, and in order to maintain international peace and security, the Security Council should supplement the authorization of the General Assembly by taking measures, under Articles 39 and 41 of the Charter, to empower the United Nations Commission, as provided in this resolution, to exercise in Palestine the functions which are assigned to it by this resolution;
3. The Security Council determine as a threat to the peace, breach of the peace or act of aggression, in accordance with Article 39 of the Charter, any attempt to alter by force the settlement envisaged by this resolution;
4. The Trusteeship Council be informed of the responsibilities envisaged for it in this plan;

Calls upon the inhabitants of Palestine to take such steps as may be necessary on their part to put this plan into effect;

Appeals to all Governments and all peoples to refrain from taking any action which might hamper or delay the carrying out of these recommendations, and

Authorizes the Secretary-General to reimburse travel and subsistence expenses of the members of the Commission referred to in Part 1, Section B, Paragraph I below, on such basis and in such form as he may determine most appropriate in the circumstances, and to provide the Commission with the necessary staff to assist in carrying out the functions assigned to the Commission by the General Assembly.*

You know this already; nothing new here. so why the genocidal murderous intent?? You must really HATE those Israeli Arabs!!!

Greg

181 is a worthless, non-binding resolution, that became null and void once the UNSC refused to vote on it. It has no legal authority whatsoever. It's also a bullshit document that gave 70% of the land, to 30% of the population.

So when Egypt took gaza and Jordan took the west bank by force why wasn't that illegal

It is interesting that the enlightened useful idiots use UN "stuff" when it suits them but don't see anything binding in the nations Assembled recognising the state of Israel. Do these same people say that Kuwait had no right to exist? They poorly disguise their anti-Semetism, including Israeli Arabs.

Greg

That's a fair point, NO country has a "right to exist" it's only the Zionists that keep banging on about that. The United Kingdom's "right to exist" applies so long as her neighbours accept the fact of her existance and the people express their will to that effect, as demonstrated recently in the Scottish independance referendum.

 

[gtopa1]

News about Kiwis being stupid.

KGB files smuggled out of Russia reveal a former Labour MP was an informant for the feared Soviet spy agency and was given the codename "Gerd".

The files say the MP was in contact with Yuri Drozhzhin, the KGB agent who handled former top government official Bill Sutch for several years.

The Dominion Post reported yesterday that Sutch was a 24-year veteran recruit of the KGB's before he was acquitted of spying in a trial in 1975.

The KGB records also reveal that its agents trawled graveyards to steal the identities of dead people so as to procure prized New Zealand passports during the Cold War.

Later, the KGB became nervous that agents wandering around cemeteries would be caught by SIS surveillance, and switched to looking through electoral rolls for potential passport names.

The KGB papers were given to British authorities by KGB defector Vasili Mitrokhin in 1992.

But details of KGB activities in New Zealand have only just been made public by the Churchill Archives at Cambridge University.

The Mitrokhin files say an unnamed Labour MP, born in England in 1926, was in contact with Drozhzhin during the KGB agent's Wellington posting.

He was given the codename "Gerd", and information passed to the KGB said he was also a member of Labour's executive committee.

The files say that by the 1970s New Zealand was "a base" for providing documents for KGB agents around the world.

One KGB agent, known as "Julien", whose real name was Vladimir Largin, used a passport issued under the name Patrick Cosgrove, from Castlecliff, Whanganui.

The agent operated with his wife and both renewed their passports in Europe before "Julien" worked on missions in Argentina, Venezuela, Guyana, Jamaica, Bolivia and Grenada.

The Mitrokhin papers do not specifically name Sutch as a KGB recruit, but clearly identify him by other details - including his date of birth, his PhD and when he retired - and say he was given the codename "Maori".

Sutch was arrested after he met KGB agent Dmitri Razgovorov one night in an Aro Valley park in Wellington in 1974.

Kit Bennetts, the SIS officer who caught Sutch meeting Razgovorov, said he was a brilliant and complex man.

"Bill Sutch would never have seen himself as passing over something like submarine plans [to the KGB].

"He saw himself as doing the best thing for New Zealand. He'd have thought what he was providing was in our best interests.

"We don't have to condemn him, but we should acknowledge what happened."

Kiwis really shouldn't be condemned; just be acknowledged as useful idiots to anyone who is anti-USA.

Where is the historic OUTRAGE!!!

All used up against Israeli Arabs...it's not the Jews...of course!!

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

You are WRONG!! Israel has been mandated by the UN and is as legitimate a country as any. That is not the problem except for genocidal low lifes.

I'm not talking about Israel proper. They were not mandated by the UN in the West Bank, Gaza strip, Golan Heights or East Jerusalem. Those areas, the Israeli's took by force, which has been outlawed since the end of WWII. And the only ones committing genocide these days, are the Israeli's.

UN General Assembly Resolution 181

Requests that

1. The Security Council take the necessary measures as provided for in the plan for its implementation;
2. The Security Council consider, if circumstances during the transitional period require such consideration, whether the situation in Palestine constitutes a threat to the peace. If it decides that such a threat exists, and in order to maintain international peace and security, the Security Council should supplement the authorization of the General Assembly by taking measures, under Articles 39 and 41 of the Charter, to empower the United Nations Commission, as provided in this resolution, to exercise in Palestine the functions which are assigned to it by this resolution;
3. The Security Council determine as a threat to the peace, breach of the peace or act of aggression, in accordance with Article 39 of the Charter, any attempt to alter by force the settlement envisaged by this resolution;
4. The Trusteeship Council be informed of the responsibilities envisaged for it in this plan;

Calls upon the inhabitants of Palestine to take such steps as may be necessary on their part to put this plan into effect;

Appeals to all Governments and all peoples to refrain from taking any action which might hamper or delay the carrying out of these recommendations, and

Authorizes the Secretary-General to reimburse travel and subsistence expenses of the members of the Commission referred to in Part 1, Section B, Paragraph I below, on such basis and in such form as he may determine most appropriate in the circumstances, and to provide the Commission with the necessary staff to assist in carrying out the functions assigned to the Commission by the General Assembly.*

You know this already; nothing new here. so why the genocidal murderous intent?? You must really HATE those Israeli Arabs!!!

Greg

181 is a worthless, non-binding resolution, that became null and void once the UNSC refused to vote on it. It has no legal authority whatsoever. It's also a bullshit document that gave 70% of the land, to 30% of the population.

So when Egypt took gaza and Jordan took the west bank by force why wasn't that illegal

It is interesting that the enlightened useful idiots use UN "stuff" when it suits them but don't see anything binding in the nations Assembled recognising the state of Israel. Do these same people say that Kuwait had no right to exist? They poorly disguise their anti-Semetism, including Israeli Arabs.

Greg

That's a fair point, NO country has a "right to exist" it's only the Zionists that keep banging on about that. The United Kingdom's "right to exist" applies so long as her neighbours accept the fact of her existance and the people express their will to that effect, as demonstrated recently in the Scottish independance referendum.

So you are saying that Palestine has no right to exist??

I disagree. The UN has given them the Right to a homeland; one which lives in peace with its neighbours and is based on Democratic Principles. (181). So why didn't they?

Greg