What do normal people - think of Israel?

[Phoenall]

NOPE that is just your ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA

Hoho, next you'll be talking about WMD being north east west and south of Tikrit.

NOPE but they are in gaza, and they are fired at Israeli children on a regular basis

 

[cnm]

Good.

So you'll understand that normal people sort of look at Israel sideways. And check their documents after it's visited.

 

[cnm]

Oh, I make no pretense about objectivity and neutrality. I am solidly in Israel's corner and have openly declared thus on this forum on multiple occasions. It's just that I'm helping you to 'out' yourself as lacking objectivity and neutrality and being solidly in Palestine's corner - a simple matter of tactical Enemy Identification, mostly for the benefit of the handful of folks visiting the forum who had not yet bothered to look long enough to figure that out for themselves yet.

I haven't discussed Palestine. This thread is about what normal people think of Israel.

You're projecting your inability to accept what normal people think of Israel.

 

[cnm]

Hoho, next you'll be talking about WMD being north east west and south of Tikrit.

NOPE but they are in gaza, and they are fired at Israeli children on a regular basis

Oh for gods' sakes.

 

[Kondor3]

Folks... let me know when we've had enough fun in this thread, and it's time to bring-in a dump-truck full of elephant shit.

Propaganda Shill exploitative threads usually have a fairly short shelf life, but I don't want to initiate the Elephant Droppings Sequence until there is a consensus.

Isn't it fun, when a thread is so obviously and blatantly crafted as an Apologia or Rationalizing Excuse for bashing Israel and the Jews?

Gotta admire the moxy of these Amateur Internet Jihadis... they keep comin' back, with a handful of nuthin'...

Like that line out of Cool Hand Luke...

Then again, I liked the Car Wash Girl scene in Cool Hand Luke much better than the handful-a-nuthin' scene...

 

[docmauser1]

You're projecting your inability to accept what normal people think of Israel.

The thread's about what the abnormal palistan-cheerleaders think of Israel, of course.

 

[Kondor3]

You're projecting your inability to accept what normal people think of Israel.

The thread's about what the abnormal palistan-cheerleaders think of Israel, of course.

 

[MrDVS1]

President Rivlin: Time to admit that Israel is a sick society that needs treatment.

Rivlin was speaking at the opening session of a conference entitled "From Hatred of the Stranger to Acceptance of the Other," on the escalation of tensions between Jews and Arabs.

"The time has come to admit that Israel is a sick society, with an illness that demands treatment", President Reuven Rivlin said at the opening session on Sunday of a conference on From Hatred of the Stranger to Acceptance of the Other.

Both Rivlin and Prof. Ruth Arnon, president of the Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities, which organized the conference at its premises on the capital’s Jabotinsky Street, spoke of the painful and bloody summer, and the resultant resurgence of animosity between Arabs and Jews that had escalated to new heights.

Referring to the mutual expressions of hatred and incitement, Arnon said that Jews, who in the Diaspora had been exposed to anti-Semitism and persecution, should be more sensitive to the dangers of incitement. “But are we?” she asked.

Rivlin wondered aloud whether Jews and Arabs had abandoned the secret of dialogue.

With regard to Jews he said: “I’m not asking if they’ve forgotten how to be Jews, but if they’ve forgotten how to be decent human beings. Have they forgotten how to converse?” In Rivlin’s eyes, the academy has a vital task to reduce violence in Israeli society by encouraging dialogue and the study of different cultures and languages with the aim of promoting mutual understanding, so that there can be civilized meetings between the sectors of society.

He urged the academy to take on this challenge and to eradicate the violence that threatens to scar Israel’s image.

President Rivlin Time to admit that Israel is a sick society that needs treatment


I have to say, he has expressed things very clearly.
And it is refreshing to hear voices from Israel that do not advocate increased violence to "solve" issues that past levels of violence have been unable to solve.

Realistically, I don't think there's anything to do but what's been done to this point. Israel exists on a giant bullseye. Its neighbors don't want it there and are never going to be okay with it being there. Countries bordering may not attack openly, but they'll gladly use terror group proxies to to nip at Israel's heels until the end of time.

To ensure Israel's security you either have to hit your enemy so hard they never hit you again, or you have to grant concessions and make compromises. Some of the latter are always possible if painful, others aren't. Keeping hoping for a third option to present itself like hostile aliens invading uniting all mankind but nothing on radar at the moment.

There isn't supposed to be an Israel until Jesus himself comes back to found it, ok, so they didn't believe that BS story either,

 

[Mindful]

So you're saying Hitler never went into Poland?

No, I am not saying Hitler never went into Poland.

 

[Billo_Really]

You are WRONG!! Israel has been mandated by the UN and is as legitimate a country as any. That is not the problem except for genocidal low lifes.

I'm not talking about Israel proper. They were not mandated by the UN in the West Bank, Gaza strip, Golan Heights or East Jerusalem. Those areas, the Israeli's took by force, which has been outlawed since the end of WWII. And the only ones committing genocide these days, are the Israeli's.

UN General Assembly Resolution 181

Requests that

1. The Security Council take the necessary measures as provided for in the plan for its implementation;
2. The Security Council consider, if circumstances during the transitional period require such consideration, whether the situation in Palestine constitutes a threat to the peace. If it decides that such a threat exists, and in order to maintain international peace and security, the Security Council should supplement the authorization of the General Assembly by taking measures, under Articles 39 and 41 of the Charter, to empower the United Nations Commission, as provided in this resolution, to exercise in Palestine the functions which are assigned to it by this resolution;
3. The Security Council determine as a threat to the peace, breach of the peace or act of aggression, in accordance with Article 39 of the Charter, any attempt to alter by force the settlement envisaged by this resolution;
4. The Trusteeship Council be informed of the responsibilities envisaged for it in this plan;

Calls upon the inhabitants of Palestine to take such steps as may be necessary on their part to put this plan into effect;

Appeals to all Governments and all peoples to refrain from taking any action which might hamper or delay the carrying out of these recommendations, and

Authorizes the Secretary-General to reimburse travel and subsistence expenses of the members of the Commission referred to in Part 1, Section B, Paragraph I below, on such basis and in such form as he may determine most appropriate in the circumstances, and to provide the Commission with the necessary staff to assist in carrying out the functions assigned to the Commission by the General Assembly.*

You know this already; nothing new here. so why the genocidal murderous intent?? You must really HATE those Israeli Arabs!!!

Greg

181 is a worthless, non-binding resolution, that became null and void once the UNSC refused to vote on it. It has no legal authority whatsoever. It's also a bullshit document that gave 70% of the land, to 30% of the population.

 

[Billo_Really]

No, I am not saying Hitler never went into Poland.

Then why the attempt to change the subject to Austria?

 

[cnm]

The thread's about what the abnormal palistan-cheerleaders think of Israel, of course.

Yet evidence has been produced to show that what normal people think about Israel is not baseless.

Assuming the posture of the persecuted victim is the default position of rule of knee jerk Israel supporters, rather than accepting these people have reason for their thoughts on Israel.

Such a course is leaving Israel and its supporters more and more isolated at a time when Israel can least afford it. Still, none so blind as those who will not see.

 

[cnm]

Folks... let me know when we've had enough fun in this thread, and it's time to bring-in a dump-truck full of elephant shit.

I didn't think producing evidence would traumatise you so. Should have known.

 

[Kondor3]

The Arabs already have Arab Palestine.

The sooner the remaining Arab squatters leave Jewish Palestine (a.k.a. Israel, or Eretz Yisrael) the better.

A 66-year advance warning Eviction Notice is enough.

Time to push the squatters out.

 

[cnm]

Are we changing topic to what normal people think about Likud?

 

[gtopa1]

You are WRONG!! Israel has been mandated by the UN and is as legitimate a country as any. That is not the problem except for genocidal low lifes.

I'm not talking about Israel proper. They were not mandated by the UN in the West Bank, Gaza strip, Golan Heights or East Jerusalem. Those areas, the Israeli's took by force, which has been outlawed since the end of WWII. And the only ones committing genocide these days, are the Israeli's.

UN General Assembly Resolution 181

Requests that

1. The Security Council take the necessary measures as provided for in the plan for its implementation;
2. The Security Council consider, if circumstances during the transitional period require such consideration, whether the situation in Palestine constitutes a threat to the peace. If it decides that such a threat exists, and in order to maintain international peace and security, the Security Council should supplement the authorization of the General Assembly by taking measures, under Articles 39 and 41 of the Charter, to empower the United Nations Commission, as provided in this resolution, to exercise in Palestine the functions which are assigned to it by this resolution;
3. The Security Council determine as a threat to the peace, breach of the peace or act of aggression, in accordance with Article 39 of the Charter, any attempt to alter by force the settlement envisaged by this resolution;
4. The Trusteeship Council be informed of the responsibilities envisaged for it in this plan;

Calls upon the inhabitants of Palestine to take such steps as may be necessary on their part to put this plan into effect;

Appeals to all Governments and all peoples to refrain from taking any action which might hamper or delay the carrying out of these recommendations, and

Authorizes the Secretary-General to reimburse travel and subsistence expenses of the members of the Commission referred to in Part 1, Section B, Paragraph I below, on such basis and in such form as he may determine most appropriate in the circumstances, and to provide the Commission with the necessary staff to assist in carrying out the functions assigned to the Commission by the General Assembly.*

You know this already; nothing new here. so why the genocidal murderous intent?? You must really HATE those Israeli Arabs!!!

Greg

181 is a worthless, non-binding resolution, that became null and void once the UNSC refused to vote on it. It has no legal authority whatsoever. It's also a bullshit document that gave 70% of the land, to 30% of the population.

WRONG!! Israel is legitimate. how much of the land went to Transjordan?

Greg

 

[Rehmani]

Then jew should not kill innocent people and fight like real soldiers.

We've seen your real soldiers, Rahmani. Those are the brave men who run over people and crush 3 month old babies on the sidewalk?

As against the IDF who crush and bomb them from a distance. Or beat children up on the street or back at the military base. In mobs.

Or against Hamas who hides in hospitals just to blame then IDF when kids die, and idiots like you fall for that.

Or kids that pretend to be handicapped but are still capable of stone throwing...

You should thanks to God that you are not in their situation, please think.

I do thank God I'm not in that situation.

You believe the stones are weapon, protest.

But the Jews take the stones you throw at them, keep them to build houses in Judea and Jerusalem.

So, THINK.

No, jews throw bullets and killed innocents Palestinian who are fighting to free their home land from illegal invasion.

 

[Rehmani]

You are WRONG!! Israel has been mandated by the UN and is as legitimate a country as any. That is not the problem except for genocidal low lifes.

I'm not talking about Israel proper. They were not mandated by the UN in the West Bank, Gaza strip, Golan Heights or East Jerusalem. Those areas, the Israeli's took by force, which has been outlawed since the end of WWII. And the only ones committing genocide these days, are the Israeli's.

UN General Assembly Resolution 181

Requests that

1. The Security Council take the necessary measures as provided for in the plan for its implementation;
2. The Security Council consider, if circumstances during the transitional period require such consideration, whether the situation in Palestine constitutes a threat to the peace. If it decides that such a threat exists, and in order to maintain international peace and security, the Security Council should supplement the authorization of the General Assembly by taking measures, under Articles 39 and 41 of the Charter, to empower the United Nations Commission, as provided in this resolution, to exercise in Palestine the functions which are assigned to it by this resolution;
3. The Security Council determine as a threat to the peace, breach of the peace or act of aggression, in accordance with Article 39 of the Charter, any attempt to alter by force the settlement envisaged by this resolution;
4. The Trusteeship Council be informed of the responsibilities envisaged for it in this plan;

Calls upon the inhabitants of Palestine to take such steps as may be necessary on their part to put this plan into effect;

Appeals to all Governments and all peoples to refrain from taking any action which might hamper or delay the carrying out of these recommendations, and

Authorizes the Secretary-General to reimburse travel and subsistence expenses of the members of the Commission referred to in Part 1, Section B, Paragraph I below, on such basis and in such form as he may determine most appropriate in the circumstances, and to provide the Commission with the necessary staff to assist in carrying out the functions assigned to the Commission by the General Assembly.*

You know this already; nothing new here. so why the genocidal murderous intent?? You must really HATE those Israeli Arabs!!!

Greg

181 is a worthless, non-binding resolution, that became null and void once the UNSC refused to vote on it. It has no legal authority whatsoever. It's also a bullshit document that gave 70% of the land, to 30% of the population.

WRONG!! Israel is legitimate. how much of the land went to Transjordan?

Greg

OK, If tomorrow UN pass the resolution in favor of Palestine over Israel. It should be acceptable for jew.

 

[RoccoR]

Rehmani, gtopa1, Billo_Really, et al,

I'm getting confused as to what the issue is here.

All the powers-that-be understand the legitimacy of Resolution 181(II), and the historical intent. We also know that there were powerful Arab forces that attempted to overturn the intent of Resolution 181(II) by force. But that was more than half a century ago. Certainly the UN, as a body, recognizes the important historical significants to the resolution; it is still cited as a precedence in matter on the "Question of Palestine." While some still argue the significants, the UN then and the UN now still hold that it is the concept (Two-State Solution) in play.

It is doubtful, given the political and uncooperative nature of the Palestinians, that any UN Coalition is going to attempt to correct the unintentional consequences that have arose since that time. It is a waste of time, money and effort. It has not been the case that any of the Arab States formerly under Mandate, did not ultimately bite the hand that feed them. It is unlikely that any of the original Allied Powers, or any of todays leading Powers, are going to make any effort to mediate an agreement between the parties in conflict.

At the end of the day, the solution rests with the conflict parties coning to an agree by treaty. A treaty can clean the slate. Both Egypt and Jordan have come to settlement. If the other parties want a new understanding, then they have to make the same commitment and put forth the same level of effort as Egypt and Jordan. Otherwise, there really will be no real movement forward.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[cnm]

So who stole the passports from a living person then, and where were they stolen from costing the person money to renew their passports ?

2004 Israel–New Zealand passport scandal

2004 Israel New Zealand passport scandal - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The 2004 Israel–New Zealand passport scandal was an incident of passport fraud in July 2004 that led New Zealand to take diplomatic sanctions against Israel. High-level contacts between the two countries were suspended after two Israeli citizens suspected of being Mossad agents, Uriel Kelman and Eli Cara, were caught trying to fraudulently acquire a New Zealand passport using the identity of a man with cerebral palsy. Prime Minister Helen Clark declared that New Zealand government viewed the acts carried out by Kelman and Cara as "not only utterly unacceptable but also a breach of New Zealand sovereignty and international law."