What do normal people - think of Israel?

[gtopa1]

You really didn't read those articles, did you? When Israel gets rid of the terrorist scum who are murdering their Palestinian opponents then there will be peace...with Peaceful Pals. That is my hope; has been for years. But Arafat murdered that hope, and now hamas is doing the same.

Greg

The reason for all the violence, is the illegal and immoral occupation and blockade. End those and you'll have peace. Don't end them, it's only a matter of time before the world community gets sick of this shit and ends them for you, just like it did in WWII.

You are WRONG!! Israel has been mandated by the UN and is as legitimate a country as any. That is not the problem except for genocidal low lifes.

UN General Assembly Resolution 181

Requests that

1. The Security Council take the necessary measures as provided for in the plan for its implementation;
2. The Security Council consider, if circumstances during the transitional period require such consideration, whether the situation in Palestine constitutes a threat to the peace. If it decides that such a threat exists, and in order to maintain international peace and security, the Security Council should supplement the authorization of the General Assembly by taking measures, under Articles 39 and 41 of the Charter, to empower the United Nations Commission, as provided in this resolution, to exercise in Palestine the functions which are assigned to it by this resolution;
3. The Security Council determine as a threat to the peace, breach of the peace or act of aggression, in accordance with Article 39 of the Charter, any attempt to alter by force the settlement envisaged by this resolution;
4. The Trusteeship Council be informed of the responsibilities envisaged for it in this plan;

Calls upon the inhabitants of Palestine to take such steps as may be necessary on their part to put this plan into effect;

Appeals to all Governments and all peoples to refrain from taking any action which might hamper or delay the carrying out of these recommendations, and

Authorizes the Secretary-General to reimburse travel and subsistence expenses of the members of the Commission referred to in Part 1, Section B, Paragraph I below, on such basis and in such form as he may determine most appropriate in the circumstances, and to provide the Commission with the necessary staff to assist in carrying out the functions assigned to the Commission by the General Assembly.*

You know this already; nothing new here. so why the genocidal murderous intent?? You must really HATE those Israeli Arabs!!!

Greg

 

[Phoenall]

...1. Passports. Do you say Israel does not steal other nations' passports in order to facilitate its covert operations?

Do you seriously expect any of your opposites to fall for this set-em-up-and-knock-em-down factory-floor -caliber Minutiae Mangling Fest?

You seem to be operating under the faulty impression that (a) anybody really gives a frog's fat behind about passport theft in connection with espionage, and (b) that Israel is the only one to do that, when, in truth, it is far more likely to speculate that every intelligence service on the face of the planet, worth its salt, does that very same thing. Dog bites man.

So I take it that's agreement Israel steals other nations' passports to facilitate its own covert operations. Why then did you post it was bullshit that normal people thought so? Why not just agree it is the case? Can the truth hurt so much?

Still waiting for you to produce irrefutable evidence that this is the case, and not the false claims made by some sensationalist media outlets. Because the ISLAMONAZI's pointed the finger at Israel doing it led to it being blown all out of proportion, then hushed up when it was found to be ISLAMONAZI executioners doing it.

 

[Phoenall]

You don't seem to like my views, so how do you think Israel is regarded by the world population, which I assume is what is meant by 'normal people'?

Not as you are trying to portray for starters, many now see Israel as the persecuted nation after the press exposure of the war crimes committed by hamas in gaza. So team Palestine is doing everything it can to blacken the name of Israel and the Jews and force decent people to turn on them

 

[cnm]

Still waiting for you to produce irrefutable evidence that this is the case, and not the false claims made by some sensationalist media outlets. Because the ISLAMONAZI's pointed the finger at Israel doing it led to it being blown all out of proportion, then hushed up when it was found to be ISLAMONAZI executioners doing it.

How about the convictions of the thieves, will that do?

In any case, 'irrefutable evidence' is not required either in court or for people's opinions. Beyond reasonable doubt is enough to send someone to prison, less stringent standards are enough to have it thought Israel steals passports. Which it does.

 

[cnm]

Not as you are trying to portray for starters, many now see Israel as the persecuted nation after the press exposure of the war crimes committed by hamas in gaza. So team Palestine is doing everything it can to blacken the name of Israel and the Jews and force decent people to turn on them

I love the smell of Hasbara in the morning.

It smells like.....desperation.

 

[gtopa1]

Phoenall:
[/QUOTE]
Do you seriously expect any of your opposites to fall for this set-em-up-and-knock-em-down factory-floor -caliber Minutiae Mangling Fest?

You seem to be operating under the faulty impression that (a) anybody really gives a frog's fat behind about passport theft in connection with espionage, and (b) that Israel is the only one to do that, when, in truth, it is far more likely to speculate that every intelligence service on the face of the planet, worth its salt, does that very same thing. Dog bites man.[/QUOTE]





In gnu zeeland: there's a French murder lurking that makes a few passports look, well, insignificant, and yet I don't hear any calls for all of the French to be "driven into the sea"?? The call for mass murder of Israeli Arabs based on maybe a few passports is disproportionate indeed.

Greg

 

[cnm]

Not as you are trying to portray for starters, many now see Israel as the persecuted nation after the press exposure of the war crimes committed by hamas in gaza. So team Palestine is doing everything it can to blacken the name of Israel and the Jews and force decent people to turn on them

But it seems most normal people do not see Israel as the victim both you and Israel so earnestly wish it to be portrayed as in the ME narrative. Note too the reason given for the vote was to prevent a 'text much worse'. Diplomat speak for 'more honest'.

Why nobody but the US voted against the UN’s anti-Israel resolution

Why nobody but the US voted against the UN s anti-Israel resolution The Times of Israel

Once again, it seems, Israel has been forsaken in its time of need, abandoned by what it thought were its friends. Once again, it feels unfairly singled out, condemned for alleged crimes it committed while defending its citizens against a terrorist enemy that is getting away with murder.
On Wednesday, the United Nations Human Rights Council voted on a heavily one-sided resolution condemning “in the strongest terms the widespread, systematic and gross violations of international human rights and fundamental freedoms arising from the Israeli military operations” in Gaza. The Geneva-based council, which has a long history of anti-Israel bias, also declared a new “international commission of inquiry” into the events currently unfolding in Israel and Gaza, in what observers are calling a new Goldstone report.



Only the United States voted against the resolution. Twenty-nine nations voted in favor, among them not only the usual suspects such as Saudi Arabia, Algeria and South Africa, but also some ostensible friends of Israel, including Russia, Kenya, India and Mexico.


Equally hurtful for Israel, if not more so, were the abstentions of the eight European Union member states who had the right to vote: Austria, the Czech Republic, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Romania and the United Kingdom. (Montenegro and the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia are not EU members but also abstained; non-member states Iceland, Serbia, Albania and Liechtenstein aligned themselves with the EU position.)

 

[gtopa1]

The USA: faithful, loyal and true blue!

Makes Rin Tin Tin look like a puppy!

Greg

 

[cnm]

Oh, that's another one, casts itself as a victim.

So normal people think of Israel in connection to

apartheid,
thieving,
war crimes,
wags the US,
doesn't keep its promises,
casts itself as a victim.

Now we're starting to get somewhere.

 

[gtopa1]

"
Noting that 9 July 2014 marked the tenth anniversary of the adoption of the advisory
opinion by the International Court of Justice on the legal consequences of the construction
of a wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory and that no progress has been made on its
implementation, and affirming the urgent need to respect and ensure respect for
international humanitarian law and international human rights law in this regard,.."

Hmmm: interesting that Egypt is creating a buffer zone in Rafah. Where is the outrage!

Cairo: Egypt has begun demolishing houses along its border with Gaza to set up a buffer zone to prevent alleged militant infiltration and arms smuggling following a wave of deadly attacks.

The move, which will result in about 800 homes being razed, comes after a suicide bomber killed 30 soldiers in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, which borders the Palestinian territory, last Friday.....................................................................................................

"The president is monitoring the area along the border ... especially the area that is being evacuated for eliminating terrorist hideouts and to prevent any infiltration of terrorists that will threaten national security," his office said.

Read more: Egypt starts demolishing homes to create Gaza buffer zone

UN Resolutions are where exactly??

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

What a WONDERFUL young lady!!

Meanwhile, Nobel Peace Prize laureate Malala Yousafzai says she is giving her entire winnings from a children's rights award to help rebuild schools in war-ravaged Gaza. The UN Palestinian refugee agency UNRWA, which has launched a $US1.6 billion ($1.8 billion) appeal for aid for Gaza, said on Wednesday she would be donating all $US50,000 ($57,000) of her World's Children's Prize.

"This money will totally go to the rebuilding of schools for children in Gaza, so I think it will definitely help those children to continue their education, to get quality education," the 17-year-old Pakistani said in Sweden at the awards ceremony. "We already know how children have suffered in Gaza from conflicts and war, so those children need our support right now, because they are going through many difficult situations."


Read more: Egypt starts demolishing homes to create Gaza buffer zone

Even better if they can get rid of Hamas so that the Palestinians can have a real peace!!!

Greg

 

[Kondor3]

You don't seem to like my views, so how do you think Israel is regarded by the world population, which I assume is what is meant by 'normal people'?

I don't like your passive-aggressive propagandizing against Israel.

As to the rest...

I think that Israel is viewed as a Mixed Bag by the world at large...

Some nations favor her, and hold her as ally and friend...

Other nations despise her, and hold her as enemy and adversary...

Still other nations remain guardedly neutral, and pretty much keep their noses out of The Troubles in the Holy Land.

Most people have not experienced the slaughter experienced by the Jews within Living Memory.

Most people have not experienced a Return to their spiritual homeland after an absence of 1900 yeas.

Most people have not been surrounded by mortal enemies for the lifetime-or-so since they made their Return.

Most people have not been negotiating for peace for the lifetime-or-so since they made their Return nor seen failure after failure due to the intransigence of their adversaries.

Most people do not understand that lands seized in unexpected victory in defensive wars can no longer be surrendered without grave risk to the survival of their nation.

Most people do not live with savage, instransigent Muslim populations as neighbors, sworn to their destruction, failures as negotiating partners, and not to be trusted in the long run.

Many people (nations), therefore, act without a comprehensive understanding, and jump off the cliff with the others, in approving UN GA resolutions against Israel.

There is, indeed, a fairly sizable core of nations represented at the UN, whom constantly and devotedly harass Israel at every turn, mostly Muslim in confession.

There is, indeed, a modest collection of fascist-like or socialist-like nations, who jump on the Arabs-Condemning-Israel Bandwagon, in accordance with their ideology.

There is, indeed, a fair-sized collection of oil-poor, needy nations, who jump on the Arabs-Condemning-Israel Bandwagon, to keep the Arab oil flowing at tolerable prices.

There are, indeed, two or three unions or collectives of nations, who, as a matter of practice, vote as a bloc, and oftentimes condemn Israel, without much individual conviction.

Serving-up condemnatory UN General Assembly Resolutions is one thing.

Acting on them, against Israel, is quite another, and we just don't see much of that, do we?

Not to mention that large segments of the populations of such countries are polled regarding Israel, and the Israel-Palestinian conflict, and that there seems to exist a substantial element of popular support for the besieged nation-state of Israel, regardless of how their national governments manifest and vote in the UN General Assembly.

As evidenced by popular polls and surveys here in the United States and elsewhere.

How do 'normal people' view Israel?

As with any generalization or stereotype which is attempted, in support of an adversarial or antagonist position... as a Mixed Bag... some favorable, some un-favorable.

It should also be noted that vast numbers of people - worldwide - despise the Palestinians for their historical and present foolhardiness and intransigence and their long track record of genuinely stupid decisions and lost, thrown-away opportunities that have led them to this sorry state of affairs - never mind the eternal shame of the Great Arab Skeddaddle of 1948 - or their constant hiding behind their women and children - at which a great many people laugh and sneer in contempt.

A good parent will tell his (or her) child... do not worry overly much about what the world thinks of you... you cannot please everyone and you cannot be liked by everyone and still remain true to yourself and still preserve yourself and your health and safety... instead, simply be the best person you can, doing as much good and as little evil as you can manage.

I don't know whether Israel has a 'parent', but it behaves much as that child... being the best nation that it can, and doing as much good and as little evil as it can, under conditions of long-term siege and neighborly hostility and intransigence, and in face of periodic brickbats thrown at it from the UN General Assembly, usually engineered by the Muslims.

That is my answer to how 'normal people' view Israel...

As a mixed bag of reactions and emotions and thought, springing from mixed motives, and with mixed degrees of sincerity or emphasis or caring...

An answer rightfully considered to be a 'grey area' rather than black and white... in keeping with the way that the Real World works.

In the United States, far more people stand with Israel, than stand against her.

I stand with my people - the majority of my countrymen - Americans - and I stand by Israel, as a rule of thumb.

 

[Kondor3]

"
Noting that 9 July 2014 marked the tenth anniversary of the adoption of the advisory
opinion by the International Court of Justice on the legal consequences of the construction
of a wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory and that no progress has been made on its
implementation, and affirming the urgent need to respect and ensure respect for
international humanitarian law and international human rights law in this regard,.."

Hmmm: interesting that Egypt is creating a buffer zone in Rafah. Where is the outrage!

Cairo: Egypt has begun demolishing houses along its border with Gaza to set up a buffer zone to prevent alleged militant infiltration and arms smuggling following a wave of deadly attacks.

The move, which will result in about 800 homes being razed, comes after a suicide bomber killed 30 soldiers in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, which borders the Palestinian territory, last Friday.....................................................................................................

"The president is monitoring the area along the border ... especially the area that is being evacuated for eliminating terrorist hideouts and to prevent any infiltration of terrorists that will threaten national security," his office said.

Read more: Egypt starts demolishing homes to create Gaza buffer zone

UN Resolutions are where exactly??

Greg

But that would mean condemning a Muslim country for defending against the Palestinians in a manner similar to the condemnations directed against the Jews of Israel.

Apparently, what's good for the goose is NOT good for the gander, eh?

Bahhhhhh...

And critics ask why supporters of Israel ignore such criticisms and the resolutions of the UN General Assembly, when they get on their high horse about Israel.

Golly-gosh gee-whiz... big surprise... not.

 

[Kondor3]

You really didn't read those articles, did you? When Israel gets rid of the terrorist scum who are murdering their Palestinian opponents then there will be peace...with Peaceful Pals. That is my hope; has been for years. But Arafat murdered that hope, and now hamas is doing the same.

Greg

The reason for all the violence, is the illegal and immoral occupation and blockade. End those and you'll have peace. Don't end them, it's only a matter of time before the world community gets sick of this shit and ends them for you, just like it did in WWII.

Maybe they can send one of the resurrected pretend battleships that you photoshopped for them...

 

[cnm]

I don't like your passive-aggressive propagandizing against Israel.

That means you don't like unpleasant truths, as has been demonstrated by your reluctance to accept them.

In the United States, far more people stand with Israel, than stand against her.

I stand with my people - the majority of my countrymen - Americans - and I stand by Israel, as a rule of thumb.

Hoho, more like a rule of knee jerk.

But anyway, I think we can take it as stipulated that sample is exceptional and not normal?

 

[Kondor3]

I don't like your passive-aggressive propagandizing against Israel.

That means you don't like unpleasant truths, as has been demonstrated by your reluctance to accept them.

No, that means that you interpret it that way.

Your interpretation is not by default and de facto the broadly operative one.

In the United States, far more people stand with Israel, than stand against her.

I stand with my people - the majority of my countrymen - Americans - and I stand by Israel, as a rule of thumb.

Hoho, more like a rule of knee jerk...

Your personal opinion of my position holds very little interest for me.

...But anyway, I think we can take it as stipulated that sample is exceptional and not normal?

Incorrect.

We can view worldwide popular reaction to Israel as Mixed, and that for a number of reasons or motives, explored in some depth, in my previous post, and as may be supplemented by the contributions of others here, on such Informed Speculation.

 

[cnm]

The sample referred to was the US and Israel. Most of your reply was a catalogue of excuses for the way normal people view Israel.


Hasbara in the morning.

 

[Kondor3]

The sample referred to was the US and Israel. Most of your reply was a catalogue of excuses for the way normal people view Israel.

Hasbara in the morning.

So much for objectivity and neutrality.

Not that it wasn't already becoming quite clear from early postings.

Thank you for clearly identifying your motives, my little Palestinian-Hamas propaganda shill and fifth-columnist.

Carry on, Abdul.

 

[docmauser1]

Can you also admit Israel does things like steal passports that other nations don't do?I mean holding Israel to the standards of the US is a pretty low bar.

What was that drivel supposed to mean?

It means that Israel steals passports but not all countries do so. It is assumed that the US will steal passports.

What? Intelligence specialist much?

 

[docmauser1]

Normal people have a life and a job, of course.

so you must be unemployed then doc

Let's not expect logic and sanity.

Our honorable thelick drivels a lot, indeed.