What do liberals want the US to be?

[Listening]

How about paying down the debt first? "invest" to you libs means "spend". We do not "invest" in infrastructure, we "spend" tax collections on it. Yes, in creates jobs, but you libs don't want that now do you?

Can you say Keystone?

Churches and charities are failures, government isn't. What a delusional world you live in.

I live on the Jersey Shore. Churches and charities were unable to handle a disaster of that magnitude
In an area of severe economic hardship, there are too many people needing help and too few people making donations for churches and charities to carry the load
If you need a heart transplant that costs $1 million and you have no insurance. Can you turn to your local church to pay?

Government paying $1 million for a heart transplant for anyone is just sick.

Damn....not a bad estimate on my part
Going rate for a heart transplant is $997,700

Transplant Living Financing A Transplant Costs

What will it cost you to have your head pulled from your ass ?

Why don't you look up there and tell us?

Look up your ass ?

I don't think so.

Why ? Did you leave the quote there ?

I would imagine you've left a lot of things there. Seems pretty big.

 

[rdean]

Anyone want to take a gander at how many "charities" receive tax dollars?

you mean like planned parenthood (abortion central) and ACORN?

ACORN wasn't a charity.
ACORN was smeared by the right wing. They even put out an edited video once again proving to the world that they are lying scum. Don't you remember?

 

[kaz]

Second question: what do you propose that the government do with the "slightly more" that would be taken from the wealthy?

You think I am going to say give cash handouts to the poor? No way

I would use the additional revenue to fund more healthcare for poor and working poor. Provide more assistance in education. Provide low rate small business loans. Invest in Americas infrastructure that will provide more jobs

How about paying down the debt first? "invest" to you libs means "spend". We do not "invest" in infrastructure, we "spend" tax collections on it. Yes, in creates jobs, but you libs don't want that now do you?

Can you say Keystone?

Your family should take care of you, not the rest of us. If you have no family then look to a church or other charity. The government is not your caretaker.

That would be nice

Churches and charities have proven themselves incapable of taking care of people in serious situations. They do what they can but quickly find themselves overwhelmed

I have known people who did quite well taking care of themselves until some catastrophy hits them. I have a neighbor who owned a small roofing company and was doing quite well until he fell off a roof and received a severe head injury. He was incapacitated and no longer able to work. His wife had to cut back on working to take care of him. With significant medical bills and no income having a "nanny government" to step in sure helps

Churches and charities are failures, government isn't. What a delusional world you live in.

I live on the Jersey Shore. Churches and charities were unable to handle a disaster of that magnitude
In an area of severe economic hardship, there are too many people needing help and too few people making donations for churches and charities to carry the load
If you need a heart transplant that costs $1 million and you have no insurance. Can you turn to your local church to pay?

Government paying $1 million for a heart transplant for anyone is just sick.

Damn....not a bad estimate on my part
Going rate for a heart transplant is $997,700

Transplant Living Financing A Transplant Costs

It's all about what you can get out of it

 

[kaz]

How about paying down the debt first? "invest" to you libs means "spend". We do not "invest" in infrastructure, we "spend" tax collections on it. Yes, in creates jobs, but you libs don't want that now do you?

Can you say Keystone?

Churches and charities are failures, government isn't. What a delusional world you live in.

I live on the Jersey Shore. Churches and charities were unable to handle a disaster of that magnitude
In an area of severe economic hardship, there are too many people needing help and too few people making donations for churches and charities to carry the load
If you need a heart transplant that costs $1 million and you have no insurance. Can you turn to your local church to pay?

Government paying $1 million for a heart transplant for anyone is just sick.

Damn....not a bad estimate on my part
Going rate for a heart transplant is $997,700

Transplant Living Financing A Transplant Costs

What will it cost you to have your head pulled from your ass ?

Why don't you look up there and tell us?

What would a brain cost you?

 

[rightwinger]

You think I am going to say give cash handouts to the poor? No way

I would use the additional revenue to fund more healthcare for poor and working poor. Provide more assistance in education. Provide low rate small business loans. Invest in Americas infrastructure that will provide more jobs

How about paying down the debt first? "invest" to you libs means "spend". We do not "invest" in infrastructure, we "spend" tax collections on it. Yes, in creates jobs, but you libs don't want that now do you?

Can you say Keystone?

That would be nice

Churches and charities have proven themselves incapable of taking care of people in serious situations. They do what they can but quickly find themselves overwhelmed

I have known people who did quite well taking care of themselves until some catastrophy hits them. I have a neighbor who owned a small roofing company and was doing quite well until he fell off a roof and received a severe head injury. He was incapacitated and no longer able to work. His wife had to cut back on working to take care of him. With significant medical bills and no income having a "nanny government" to step in sure helps

Churches and charities are failures, government isn't. What a delusional world you live in.

I live on the Jersey Shore. Churches and charities were unable to handle a disaster of that magnitude
In an area of severe economic hardship, there are too many people needing help and too few people making donations for churches and charities to carry the load
If you need a heart transplant that costs $1 million and you have no insurance. Can you turn to your local church to pay?

Government paying $1 million for a heart transplant for anyone is just sick.

Damn....not a bad estimate on my part
Going rate for a heart transplant is $997,700

Transplant Living Financing A Transplant Costs

It's all about what you can get out of it

I don't follow you

Do you support the Government paying for transplants for those without insurance?

 

[Flash]

60 pages and the posts all start to look like the same 100 posts that have been put up before. In 100 threads before.

Sorry.....but here are the facts.

In 2008, the GOP was a mess. That was, in large part, due to GWB and his stupid wars. Many conservatives didn't like going to war and we certainly didn't like the democratic like spending he was doing. He lost the house and senate in 2006.

In 2008, thank to GWB, Pelosi and Reid, we hit a wall and things tanked.

In 2008, running in the spirit of Hope and Change, BHO was elected POTUS of the United States.

The country was in a recession (not ascribing blame....simply stating)

In 2010, the unthinkable occured. The GOP (slated for obsolesence) took back the house. The GOP also gained six or seven seats in the senate.

In 2012, BHO was re-elected. The democrats actually gained two seats in the senate.

In 2014, the GOP took the senate (including "safe" seats in places like CO) and strengthened it's hold on the house.

All along the GOP has been steadily taking up state houses and governorships.

In all this, you see the federal government doing not much of anything.

While states like Wisconsin, under the leadership of Scott Walker are making strides (but by their own admission have much more to do).

I really don't give a rats ass who wins in 2016. Give back the senate or not, the GOP will hold the house stongly (and maybe will even win more) and the federal government, by the GOG will continue to do nothing.

If Obamacare continues on it's present course, it will be a side show in the years to come.

All of this looks pretty good to those of us who don't want a strong central government.

This country is so screwed that it can't be fixed just by kicking out the Democrats and replacing them with Republicans because at the end of the day there isn't much difference. They are both parties of big government. We saw that the other day with that horrendous budget appropriation passed by the Republican controlled House and the Democrat controlled Senate that gave Obama most of what he wanted.

 

[Wry Catcher]

this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.

what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.

I can't and wouldn't speak for anyone but myself. That stated, these are things I support:

• The elimination of all life-time appointments to the Judiciary;
• The President's term of office be limited to one of six years, and that She or He be given the line-item veto;
• That the Congress define legal ID's for electoral purposes, and provide the funding to provide all citizens with proper ID;
• That the tax code be simplified, but remain progressive and that a cap be placed on Capital Gains, and incentives (i.e. corporate welfare, targeted tax cuts etc.) be limited to one year and if continued that The Congress Pass a bill each year for that purpose alone;
• That the people be given the right to vote on Referendums, placed on the ballot during general elections, when passed by a vote of 2/3 of each chamber;
• That the rules of the Senate and the rules of the H. of Rep. be placed on the ballot at the next general election, and let the people decide on the rules of each chamber.
• That Riders be prevented and Members be presented with a clean bill to decide one issue, and that all votes be recorded and posted on-line;
• That anyone guilty of voter fraud be denied the right to vote, hold office or be appointed to any governmental or civil service job, for life;
• That any effort to suppress the vote, by any official, and upon conviction suffer a loss of employment - be that appointed or elected, and forfeiture of all pay and benefits, including their pension accrued in their current and any previous jobs; notwithstanding any other criminal penalties.

For a start. Of course some of these will require a Constitutional Amendment.

 

[sealybobo]

this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.

what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.

We use to be the greatest country in the world. Upward mobility and good paying jobs. What got us there? High paying union jobs. It is no coincidence as union membership has declined, so have our wages. We have to be a more educated society. How many people voted in the last elections? Less than 40%? That's ridiculous. So I would like us to be a society of educated citizens who all realize that the best economy is/was a middle class first economy. The rich are always going to be rich. But what they have done, by us not voting, is turned our government into their government. They now rule/run our government. They changed the tax codes and laws and shifted the tax burden more onto us and they are making more than ever while our wages are stagnant for 30 years. I'd like to see the masses wake up and vote thus turning this country back over to We The People.

So more people voting so the country and our government goes back to working for all of us not just the rich and roll back all the bad tax breaks the conservatives have given the corporations and fix whatever is wrong with NAFTA. Tariffs sound good.

Oh, and Tesla's car went from over $100,000 to $70K now. It will go even lower. But Tesla will have to fight the Oil Lobbyists and the GOP. I would like the Coal Company GOP to stop fighting Global Warming.

And go after illegal employers. Stop trying to close the border. That's impossible and not the solution. They can just come on a visitors visa and stay. The USA has 2 sings on the border. Small one says stay out and big one says HELP WANTED. Illegal employers are never talked about.

 

[sealybobo]

60 pages and the posts all start to look like the same 100 posts that have been put up before. In 100 threads before.

Sorry.....but here are the facts.

In 2008, the GOP was a mess. That was, in large part, due to GWB and his stupid wars. Many conservatives didn't like going to war and we certainly didn't like the democratic like spending he was doing. He lost the house and senate in 2006.

In 2008, thank to GWB, Pelosi and Reid, we hit a wall and things tanked.

In 2008, running in the spirit of Hope and Change, BHO was elected POTUS of the United States.

The country was in a recession (not ascribing blame....simply stating)

In 2010, the unthinkable occured. The GOP (slated for obsolesence) took back the house. The GOP also gained six or seven seats in the senate.

In 2012, BHO was re-elected. The democrats actually gained two seats in the senate.

In 2014, the GOP took the senate (including "safe" seats in places like CO) and strengthened it's hold on the house.

All along the GOP has been steadily taking up state houses and governorships.

In all this, you see the federal government doing not much of anything.

While states like Wisconsin, under the leadership of Scott Walker are making strides (but by their own admission have much more to do).

I really don't give a rats ass who wins in 2016. Give back the senate or not, the GOP will hold the house stongly (and maybe will even win more) and the federal government, by the GOG will continue to do nothing.

If Obamacare continues on it's present course, it will be a side show in the years to come.

All of this looks pretty good to those of us who don't want a strong central government.

This country is so screwed that it can't be fixed just by kicking out the Democrats and replacing them with Republicans because at the end of the day there isn't much difference. They are both parties of big government. We saw that the other day with that horrendous budget appropriation passed by the Republican controlled House and the Democrat controlled Senate that gave Obama most of what he wanted.

Gave the GOP a lot of what they wanted too. Don't forget we told you the GOP would stop being fiscally responsible the moment they got in charge. Reagan and Bush both doubled the debt too. The GOP only got fiscally tight when it was Obama and Pelosi and Reed in charge. The GOP spend even more just on defense contractors who hide their money abroad, not union workers who are going to spend that money in America.

 

[Flash]

Gave the GOP a lot of what they wanted too. Don't forget we told you the GOP would stop being fiscally responsible the moment they got in charge. Reagan and Bush both doubled the debt too. The GOP only got fiscally tight when it was Obama and Pelosi and Reed in charge. The GOP spend even more just on defense contractors who hide their money abroad, not union workers who are going to spend that money in America.

It continues funding that shit Obamacare and gives the illegals a truckload of money. It allows Obama to continues his interventionist wars and continues the welfare state. Business as usual.

The Libtards made out pretty good.

 

[Flash]

this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.

what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.

We use to be the greatest country in the world. Upward mobility and good paying jobs. What got us there? High paying union jobs. It is no coincidence as union membership has declined, so have our wages. We have to be a more educated society. How many people voted in the last elections? Less than 40%? That's ridiculous. So I would like us to be a society of educated citizens who all realize that the best economy is/was a middle class first economy. The rich are always going to be rich. But what they have done, by us not voting, is turned our government into their government. They now rule/run our government. They changed the tax codes and laws and shifted the tax burden more onto us and they are making more than ever while our wages are stagnant for 30 years. I'd like to see the masses wake up and vote thus turning this country back over to We The People.

So more people voting so the country and our government goes back to working for all of us not just the rich and roll back all the bad tax breaks the conservatives have given the corporations and fix whatever is wrong with NAFTA. Tariffs sound good.

Oh, and Tesla's car went from over $100,000 to $70K now. It will go even lower. But Tesla will have to fight the Oil Lobbyists and the GOP. I would like the Coal Company GOP to stop fighting Global Warming.

And go after illegal employers. Stop trying to close the border. That's impossible and not the solution. They can just come on a visitors visa and stay. The USA has 2 sings on the border. Small one says stay out and big one says HELP WANTED. Illegal employers are never talked about.

More people voting won't change anything if they make as poor as choice as the ones that do vote make.

No real change will be made at the ballot box. There are too many greedy people that benefit from having this bloated government and too many people are simply confused about the role of government and don't understand the consequences.

This country is beyond the pint of being able to be fixed.

 

[sealybobo]

Gave the GOP a lot of what they wanted too. Don't forget we told you the GOP would stop being fiscally responsible the moment they got in charge. Reagan and Bush both doubled the debt too. The GOP only got fiscally tight when it was Obama and Pelosi and Reed in charge. The GOP spend even more just on defense contractors who hide their money abroad, not union workers who are going to spend that money in America.

It continues funding that shit Obamacare and gives the illegals a truckload of money. It allows Obama to continues his interventionist wars and continues the welfare state. Business as usual.

The Libtards made out pretty good.

Why are Americans citizens the only people in the industrialized world to not have universal healthcare? Do you think this makes us better? Ha! This is why now other countries have better upward mobility than we have. That use to never be before but now it's better to live in Vancouver than it is Seattle. Way to go unregulated free market capitalism and a government that has been taken over by the rich and corporations!

P.S. It was the GOP who let the illegals in. Don't kid yourself. Reagan and Bush turned a blind eye to corporations hiring illegals. They liked hiring low wage workers. Migrant workers use to come pick fruit and leave at the end of the season. You didn't need border control. We don't have an illegal worker problem we have an illegal employer problem. Go after the employers and see the problem solved. Question is, why did the GOP turn a blind eye? Remember McCain and Romney said they were only doing jobs Americans wouldn't do?

 

[sealybobo]

this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.

what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.

We use to be the greatest country in the world. Upward mobility and good paying jobs. What got us there? High paying union jobs. It is no coincidence as union membership has declined, so have our wages. We have to be a more educated society. How many people voted in the last elections? Less than 40%? That's ridiculous. So I would like us to be a society of educated citizens who all realize that the best economy is/was a middle class first economy. The rich are always going to be rich. But what they have done, by us not voting, is turned our government into their government. They now rule/run our government. They changed the tax codes and laws and shifted the tax burden more onto us and they are making more than ever while our wages are stagnant for 30 years. I'd like to see the masses wake up and vote thus turning this country back over to We The People.

So more people voting so the country and our government goes back to working for all of us not just the rich and roll back all the bad tax breaks the conservatives have given the corporations and fix whatever is wrong with NAFTA. Tariffs sound good.

Oh, and Tesla's car went from over $100,000 to $70K now. It will go even lower. But Tesla will have to fight the Oil Lobbyists and the GOP. I would like the Coal Company GOP to stop fighting Global Warming.

And go after illegal employers. Stop trying to close the border. That's impossible and not the solution. They can just come on a visitors visa and stay. The USA has 2 sings on the border. Small one says stay out and big one says HELP WANTED. Illegal employers are never talked about.

More people voting won't change anything if they make as poor as choice as the ones that do vote make.

No real change will be made at the ballot box. There are too many greedy people that benefit from having this bloated government and too many people are simply confused about the role of government and don't understand the consequences.

This country is beyond the pint of being able to be fixed.

Nothing wrong with a government that provides services to the people for the taxes it takes in. It isn't greedy to want something from your government. That's the rich brainwashing you. Meanwhile, they want everything and you go along.

Yes, voting is the solution. We can only take back the country by voting or revolution. What is your solution? You want to revolt before even trying the vote?

Yes it does matter if 70% of the people vote instead of 39%. If you say it doesn't either you are a fool or liar.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Gave the GOP a lot of what they wanted too. Don't forget we told you the GOP would stop being fiscally responsible the moment they got in charge. Reagan and Bush both doubled the debt too. The GOP only got fiscally tight when it was Obama and Pelosi and Reed in charge. The GOP spend even more just on defense contractors who hide their money abroad, not union workers who are going to spend that money in America.

It continues funding that shit Obamacare and gives the illegals a truckload of money. It allows Obama to continues his interventionist wars and continues the welfare state. Business as usual.

The Libtards made out pretty good.

Actually the plutocrats and AM Radio Philosophers did much much better. They even brainwashed a number of Americans to believe their bullshit, and vote against their own best interests. See post number 610 for one who likely only needed a light rinse.

 

[sealybobo]

this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.

what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.

We use to be the greatest country in the world. Upward mobility and good paying jobs. What got us there? High paying union jobs. It is no coincidence as union membership has declined, so have our wages. We have to be a more educated society. How many people voted in the last elections? Less than 40%? That's ridiculous. So I would like us to be a society of educated citizens who all realize that the best economy is/was a middle class first economy. The rich are always going to be rich. But what they have done, by us not voting, is turned our government into their government. They now rule/run our government. They changed the tax codes and laws and shifted the tax burden more onto us and they are making more than ever while our wages are stagnant for 30 years. I'd like to see the masses wake up and vote thus turning this country back over to We The People.

So more people voting so the country and our government goes back to working for all of us not just the rich and roll back all the bad tax breaks the conservatives have given the corporations and fix whatever is wrong with NAFTA. Tariffs sound good.

Oh, and Tesla's car went from over $100,000 to $70K now. It will go even lower. But Tesla will have to fight the Oil Lobbyists and the GOP. I would like the Coal Company GOP to stop fighting Global Warming.

And go after illegal employers. Stop trying to close the border. That's impossible and not the solution. They can just come on a visitors visa and stay. The USA has 2 sings on the border. Small one says stay out and big one says HELP WANTED. Illegal employers are never talked about.

More people voting won't change anything if they make as poor as choice as the ones that do vote make.

No real change will be made at the ballot box. There are too many greedy people that benefit from having this bloated government and too many people are simply confused about the role of government and don't understand the consequences.

This country is beyond the pint of being able to be fixed.

You've just been brainwashed by the GOP to hate your own government. Remember Reagan told you the Government was the problem not the solution? Meanwhile the rich and corporations took over your government and turned it against you. Suckers. And now you're telling us don't bother to vote? Either you are a brilliant rich guy or a dumb middle class person.

 

[kaz]

How about paying down the debt first? "invest" to you libs means "spend". We do not "invest" in infrastructure, we "spend" tax collections on it. Yes, in creates jobs, but you libs don't want that now do you?

Can you say Keystone?

Churches and charities are failures, government isn't. What a delusional world you live in.

I live on the Jersey Shore. Churches and charities were unable to handle a disaster of that magnitude
In an area of severe economic hardship, there are too many people needing help and too few people making donations for churches and charities to carry the load
If you need a heart transplant that costs $1 million and you have no insurance. Can you turn to your local church to pay?

Government paying $1 million for a heart transplant for anyone is just sick.

Damn....not a bad estimate on my part
Going rate for a heart transplant is $997,700

Transplant Living Financing A Transplant Costs

It's all about what you can get out of it

I don't follow you

Do you support the Government paying for transplants for those without insurance?

No

 

[rightwinger]

I live on the Jersey Shore. Churches and charities were unable to handle a disaster of that magnitude
In an area of severe economic hardship, there are too many people needing help and too few people making donations for churches and charities to carry the load
If you need a heart transplant that costs $1 million and you have no insurance. Can you turn to your local church to pay?

Government paying $1 million for a heart transplant for anyone is just sick.

Damn....not a bad estimate on my part
Going rate for a heart transplant is $997,700

Transplant Living Financing A Transplant Costs

It's all about what you can get out of it

I don't follow you

Do you support the Government paying for transplants for those without insurance?

No

Let em die

A true Libertarian

 

[Flash]

Nothing wrong with a government that provides services to the people for the taxes it takes in. It isn't greedy to want something from your government. That's the rich brainwashing you. Meanwhile, they want everything and you go along.

Yes, voting is the solution. We can only take back the country by voting or revolution. What is your solution? You want to revolt before even trying the vote?

Yes it does matter if 70% of the people vote instead of 39%. If you say it doesn't either you are a fool or liar.

It certainly is greed when you vote for shitheads that uses the force of government to steal money from other people to benefit you. That is the definition of greed. Tony Soprano would be proud of that scam.

If 70% of the people elect the same kind of people that get elected now and the country continues to have enormous debt, high taxation, limited economic growth, a welfare state, a lost of freedom, interventionism and corrupt government then they haven't accomplished any more that 39% that votes right now.

The American people are not smart enough or moral enough to have a working Republic.

When the citizen asked Ben Franklin "What kind of government have you given us?" and his reply was "A Republic if you can keep it" then he was commenting about the American people may not being smart or moral enough to have good government. He was right to have that concern as we are seeing now.

 

[sealybobo]

Gave the GOP a lot of what they wanted too. Don't forget we told you the GOP would stop being fiscally responsible the moment they got in charge. Reagan and Bush both doubled the debt too. The GOP only got fiscally tight when it was Obama and Pelosi and Reed in charge. The GOP spend even more just on defense contractors who hide their money abroad, not union workers who are going to spend that money in America.

It continues funding that shit Obamacare and gives the illegals a truckload of money. It allows Obama to continues his interventionist wars and continues the welfare state. Business as usual.

The Libtards made out pretty good.

Dude, any illegal that steps forward is going to pay a shit load in fines/penalties and then they'll be legal citizens paying taxes. I doubt all the poor Mexicans and Chinese people are even going to take advantage of Obama's offer. By the way, I heard there are more illegal Chinese immigrants in America than there are Mexican ones.

Conservatives are all atwitter about illegal immigrants. Some want to give them amnesty. Others want to reinstitute the old Bracero program. Others want to build a wall around America, like the communists did around East Berlin. Some advocate all of the above. But none will tell Americans the truth about why we have eleven million illegal aliens in this nation now (when it was fewer than 2 million when Reagan came into office), why they're staying, or why they keep coming. In a word, it's "jobs." In conservative lexicon, it's "cheap labor to increase corporate profits."

 

[sealybobo]

Gave the GOP a lot of what they wanted too. Don't forget we told you the GOP would stop being fiscally responsible the moment they got in charge. Reagan and Bush both doubled the debt too. The GOP only got fiscally tight when it was Obama and Pelosi and Reed in charge. The GOP spend even more just on defense contractors who hide their money abroad, not union workers who are going to spend that money in America.

It continues funding that shit Obamacare and gives the illegals a truckload of money. It allows Obama to continues his interventionist wars and continues the welfare state. Business as usual.

The Libtards made out pretty good.

The liberals, poor and middle class did not make out from the GOP win in November. Liberals don't like what's in the bill either.

Oh, and should we ask you IF YOU READ THE BILL? Remember you guys cried because Democrats didn't read the entire ACA bill? Did you read all this? Then how do you know it's bad? Why don't you read the entire thing first and then get back to us.