What difference does it make if being gay is genetic or if it's a choice?

[80zephyr]

I just can't figure out why you people care who another person is attracted to.

Life is short so if a same sex partner makes people happy who are any of you to stop them?

I don't care who they love. I do care that it is the law. Our society is dying the "death of 1000 cuts", and watering down marriage is simply one more cut.

Mark

How is marriage being "watered down". Gay marriage has done NOTHING to affect my marriage, or life in my country. If anything, gay marriage has actually strengthened marriage. Most young people thought marriage was "old fashioned" and a lot of young people were just cohabitting - no messy court cases when you go your own way, but when gay marriage became a thing, people starting thinking that maybe it wasn't old fashioned at all. The fact that gays valued marriage so much, encouraged young straight people give it a second look.

How has it affected your marriage? Don't care. How has it affected society's marriages is the question. It works to destroy the nuclear family by making the structure unclear.

Mark

What's unclear about it?

What is a family? It is completely obvious that until recently, it was biological. What other parameters can be expanded? How about 3 or 4 marrying? Or maybe 6?

Mark

What is so confusing about what a family is? Is a spouse family, or is a spouse not family? What is it about allowing same sex folks to become spouses that makes your marriage so confusing to you? The structure is unclear? Thats what you said...the structure is unclear. So here, let me explain it to you like you're 5: da struktur is that two(2) adults can consent in a bond we call marriage which is a rekkugnized instuhhh tooshin by thaa state

Are you still confused by the structure? Does your marriage feel unbroken now? I'd be glad if it did.

Did the social acceptance of divorce cause you to get a divorce? Of course it didn't. But it certainly did to society as a whole, did it not?

Mark

 

[kaz]

I just can't figure out why you people care who another person is attracted to.

Life is short so if a same sex partner makes people happy who are any of you to stop them?

I don't care who they love. I do care that it is the law. Our society is dying the "death of 1000 cuts", and watering down marriage is simply one more cut.

Mark

How is marriage being "watered down". Gay marriage has done NOTHING to affect my marriage, or life in my country. If anything, gay marriage has actually strengthened marriage. Most young people thought marriage was "old fashioned" and a lot of young people were just cohabitting - no messy court cases when you go your own way, but when gay marriage became a thing, people starting thinking that maybe it wasn't old fashioned at all. The fact that gays valued marriage so much, encouraged young straight people give it a second look.

How has it affected your marriage? Don't care. How has it affected society's marriages is the question. It works to destroy the nuclear family by making the structure unclear.

Mark

What's unclear about it?

What is a family? It is completely obvious that until recently, it was biological. What other parameters can be expanded? How about 3 or 4 marrying? Or maybe 6?

Mark

Marrying 3 or 4 or 6 should be an agreement between you and those people, not you and your politician.

I am 180 degrees opposite of you. I think that families are best when government stays out of the relationship so we can raise our kids with our values, not Nancy Pelosi's

Destroying the structure of the family is almost at an end. Look at the single parent families already. Instead of making things better, it is making things worse. There is an old African proverb "do not rip down a fence until you discover why it was built".

Mark

I just can't get over the hump that government is the solution to families. I think government is the worst solution to that. The best government is one that stays out of it.

What moral basis are you looking at in politicians, bureaucrats and removing our choices that is desirable to you and you see as the protector of families? I don't see it. I think government blows, is immoral and bad at everything.

If government is the solution to families, we are truly screwed

 

[kaz]

I just can't figure out why you people care who another person is attracted to.

Life is short so if a same sex partner makes people happy who are any of you to stop them?

I don't care who they love. I do care that it is the law. Our society is dying the "death of 1000 cuts", and watering down marriage is simply one more cut.

Mark

How is marriage being "watered down". Gay marriage has done NOTHING to affect my marriage, or life in my country. If anything, gay marriage has actually strengthened marriage. Most young people thought marriage was "old fashioned" and a lot of young people were just cohabitting - no messy court cases when you go your own way, but when gay marriage became a thing, people starting thinking that maybe it wasn't old fashioned at all. The fact that gays valued marriage so much, encouraged young straight people give it a second look.

How has it affected your marriage? Don't care. How has it affected society's marriages is the question. It works to destroy the nuclear family by making the structure unclear.

Mark

What's unclear about it?

What is a family? It is completely obvious that until recently, it was biological. What other parameters can be expanded? How about 3 or 4 marrying? Or maybe 6?

Mark

What is so confusing about what a family is? Is a spouse family, or is a spouse not family? What is it about allowing same sex folks to become spouses that makes your marriage so confusing to you? The structure is unclear? Thats what you said...the structure is unclear. So here, let me explain it to you like you're 5: da struktur is that two(2) adults can consent in a bond we call marriage which is a rekkugnized instuhhh tooshin by thaa state

Are you still confused by the structure? Does your marriage feel unbroken now? I'd be glad if it did.

Did the social acceptance of divorce cause you to get a divorce? Of course it didn't. But it certainly did to society as a whole, did it not?

Mark

I certainly don't stay with my wife and children because of government, that isn't the reason at all

 

[80zephyr]

This is a really strange whine since both sides argue over whether its genetic or not...but your "what difference does it make" is only directed at the folks living the experience and not the right whangers whining the opposite.

Partisan whine thread #6, 472, 836

I'm "whining" that I don't care if gay is genetic or not and I don't think it should make any difference.

Government schools just fucked you up. I'm so sorry for you, shit head

You're whining towards Gays / the left that you don't care...while the Right is also involved in the argument. That's what makes it another partisan whine show, same shit different day.

So yes, we know you're stupid and you didn't actually read the OP. You already announced that.

So which part do you disagree with me on?

1) It doesn't matter if it's genetic or a choice

2) Either way gays should be treated like anyone else. No better, no worse

I want to get to what you consider "whining."

Did they tell you to hate gays at your bigoted, extremist Christian church? Has a black or a gay ever gone to your church? What's the source of your homophobia?

The part I took issue with was you calling out democrats for making this genetic/not genetic argument when it's the right making/partaking in this argument as well. You excluded that from the OP - cuz you're a little partisan whiny bitch. I saw through it. News at 11. It's not that difficult to recognize your partisan oversight in excluding the right for their part in the argument that you're "sick of." Whiney.

I'll never grasp hard right wing Christian bigots like you who hate blacks and gays. Why do you care what other people do? What is your problem with treating everyone the same?

I asked a question and clearly advocated to the right and left my view that gays regardless of the answer should be treated like anyone else.

But some right wing hate filled Christian bigot like you is going to come in and dump all over any conversation, aren't you? Why? Because some guy said 2,000 years ago that gay is an abomination?

Why don't you let God worry about the judging? I'm not like you. I think God won't have a problem with consenting adults who aren't hurting anyone.

On a side note, are you ready to stop being a dick and attacking things I didn't say and participate in the actual discussion? I'm guessing no

When you ask to let God judge, do you feel the same way about any subject? Is it "anything goes"?

Mark

What a ridiculous leap. I said, "Either way, it's not a job for government either to discriminate against gays or to validate who they have sex with. As long as it's a consenting adult, so the fuck what?"

Do you know what a victim is? There is no way to get out of what I said that I support crimes with victims.

Note I said CONSENTING ADULT

I get that. But you just instilled your values into your judgement. Your idea of consenting adult might not be the same as anothers. You are using your values to run others lives.

Thats just the truth.

Mark

I don't really get what point you're making. Are you just quibbling over the age of consent?

I'm not quibbling about the age of consent. I am merely pointing out that you are doing the exact things you asked others not to do, using your own moral code as evidence that you are not doing the exact same thing.

And you are.

Mark

If you're not quibbling over age, then what are you calling arbitrary about "consenting adults?" I don't get it.

You think as an adult government should be allowed to make your choices for you? What are you arguing exactly?

I am arguing that you also use standards as a moral demarcation line. So don't accuser anyone else of doing it.

Mark

 

[G.T.]

I just can't figure out why you people care who another person is attracted to.

Life is short so if a same sex partner makes people happy who are any of you to stop them?

I don't care who they love. I do care that it is the law. Our society is dying the "death of 1000 cuts", and watering down marriage is simply one more cut.

Mark

How is marriage being "watered down". Gay marriage has done NOTHING to affect my marriage, or life in my country. If anything, gay marriage has actually strengthened marriage. Most young people thought marriage was "old fashioned" and a lot of young people were just cohabitting - no messy court cases when you go your own way, but when gay marriage became a thing, people starting thinking that maybe it wasn't old fashioned at all. The fact that gays valued marriage so much, encouraged young straight people give it a second look.

How has it affected your marriage? Don't care. How has it affected society's marriages is the question. It works to destroy the nuclear family by making the structure unclear.

Mark

What's unclear about it?

What is a family? It is completely obvious that until recently, it was biological. What other parameters can be expanded? How about 3 or 4 marrying? Or maybe 6?

Mark

What is so confusing about what a family is? Is a spouse family, or is a spouse not family? What is it about allowing same sex folks to become spouses that makes your marriage so confusing to you? The structure is unclear? Thats what you said...the structure is unclear. So here, let me explain it to you like you're 5: da struktur is that two(2) adults can consent in a bond we call marriage which is a rekkugnized instuhhh tooshin by thaa state

Are you still confused by the structure? Does your marriage feel unbroken now? I'd be glad if it did.

Did the social acceptance of divorce cause you to get a divorce? Of course it didn't. But it certainly did to society as a whole, did it not?

Mark

Divorce is a personal choice and each human is personally responsible for their own...the buck stops with them, not the spooky gays. That argument doesn't really have any bearing.

 

[80zephyr]

I just can't figure out why you people care who another person is attracted to.

Life is short so if a same sex partner makes people happy who are any of you to stop them?

I don't care who they love. I do care that it is the law. Our society is dying the "death of 1000 cuts", and watering down marriage is simply one more cut.

Mark

How is marriage being "watered down". Gay marriage has done NOTHING to affect my marriage, or life in my country. If anything, gay marriage has actually strengthened marriage. Most young people thought marriage was "old fashioned" and a lot of young people were just cohabitting - no messy court cases when you go your own way, but when gay marriage became a thing, people starting thinking that maybe it wasn't old fashioned at all. The fact that gays valued marriage so much, encouraged young straight people give it a second look.

How has it affected your marriage? Don't care. How has it affected society's marriages is the question. It works to destroy the nuclear family by making the structure unclear.

Mark

What's unclear about it?

What is a family? It is completely obvious that until recently, it was biological. What other parameters can be expanded? How about 3 or 4 marrying? Or maybe 6?

Mark

Marrying 3 or 4 or 6 should be an agreement between you and those people, not you and your politician.

I am 180 degrees opposite of you. I think that families are best when government stays out of the relationship so we can raise our kids with our values, not Nancy Pelosi's

Destroying the structure of the family is almost at an end. Look at the single parent families already. Instead of making things better, it is making things worse. There is an old African proverb "do not rip down a fence until you discover why it was built".

Mark

I just can't get over the hump that government is the solution to families. I think government is the worst solution to that. The best government is one that stays out of it.

What moral basis are you looking at in politicians, bureaucrats and removing our choices that is desirable to you and you see as the protector of families? I don't see it. I think government blows, is immoral and bad at everything.

If government is the solution to families, we are truly screwed

Until recently(until 70 years or so ago), government protected the family unit. And it was wildly successful at doing so.

Mark

 

[Moonglow]

Democrats are all wrapped up in that it has to be genetic, not a choice. What difference does it make? Why is that so critically important to them? Either way, it's not a job for government either to discriminate against gays or to validate who they have sex with. As long as it's a consenting adult, so the fuck what? Why is this such a critical distinction to the Democrats whether it's genetic or choice? What does it change?

Judge Barrett, don't use 'sexual preference' for LGBTQ people. It's incorrect and alarming.

Amy Coney Barrett graduated from law school first in her class. She's 48 and came of age with the LGBTQ rights movement. She should have known better.

www.usatoday.com

Yeah , it's the Dems who are all wrapped up in being gay while it is Republicans who are all wrapped up in discriminating against gay people.

 

[80zephyr]

I just can't figure out why you people care who another person is attracted to.

Life is short so if a same sex partner makes people happy who are any of you to stop them?

I don't care who they love. I do care that it is the law. Our society is dying the "death of 1000 cuts", and watering down marriage is simply one more cut.

Mark

How is marriage being "watered down". Gay marriage has done NOTHING to affect my marriage, or life in my country. If anything, gay marriage has actually strengthened marriage. Most young people thought marriage was "old fashioned" and a lot of young people were just cohabitting - no messy court cases when you go your own way, but when gay marriage became a thing, people starting thinking that maybe it wasn't old fashioned at all. The fact that gays valued marriage so much, encouraged young straight people give it a second look.

How has it affected your marriage? Don't care. How has it affected society's marriages is the question. It works to destroy the nuclear family by making the structure unclear.

Mark

What's unclear about it?

What is a family? It is completely obvious that until recently, it was biological. What other parameters can be expanded? How about 3 or 4 marrying? Or maybe 6?

Mark

What is so confusing about what a family is? Is a spouse family, or is a spouse not family? What is it about allowing same sex folks to become spouses that makes your marriage so confusing to you? The structure is unclear? Thats what you said...the structure is unclear. So here, let me explain it to you like you're 5: da struktur is that two(2) adults can consent in a bond we call marriage which is a rekkugnized instuhhh tooshin by thaa state

Are you still confused by the structure? Does your marriage feel unbroken now? I'd be glad if it did.

Did the social acceptance of divorce cause you to get a divorce? Of course it didn't. But it certainly did to society as a whole, did it not?

Mark

Divorce is a personal choice and each human is personally responsible for their own...the buck stops with them, not the spooky gays. That argument doesn't really have any bearing.

It sure does. We are talking about effects on society and I have clearly proven that changes in our structure can affect the family unit.

Mark

 

[BrokeLoser]

This is a really strange whine since both sides argue over whether its genetic or not...but your "what difference does it make" is only directed at the folks living the experience and not the right whangers whining the opposite.

Partisan whine thread #6, 472, 836

I'm "whining" that I don't care if gay is genetic or not and I don't think it should make any difference.

Government schools just fucked you up. I'm so sorry for you, shit head

You're whining towards Gays / the left that you don't care...while the Right is also involved in the argument. That's what makes it another partisan whine show, same shit different day.

So yes, we know you're stupid and you didn't actually read the OP. You already announced that.

So which part do you disagree with me on?

1) It doesn't matter if it's genetic or a choice

2) Either way gays should be treated like anyone else. No better, no worse

I want to get to what you consider "whining."

Did they tell you to hate gays at your bigoted, extremist Christian church? Has a black or a gay ever gone to your church? What's the source of your homophobia?

billions of people, billions of reasons why, certainly not just one or the other reason

I agree, but that misses the point of my question.

Democrats consider it an insult now to call gay a "preference." They demand it's not a choice.

My question is why? What difference does it make?

To me, I oppose discriminating against gays whether it's genetic or a preference. I oppose giving gays party favors and government handouts whether it's a preference or genetic. But that applies to every group, not just gays.

Why do leftists find it so critical that it's genetic and not a preference? That's my question

Because its not discrimination if its a choice.

And it is a choice.

Mark

I don't follow your logic, can you break it down for me a little more?

I think government should treat all citizens the same. Do you agree with that?

If someone is left handed (genetic) or a baseball player (choice), should either matter?

“2) Either way gays should be treated like anyone else. No better, no worse”

They are treated like anyone else by government. What makes you think they aren’t?
Much of the American public does not respect them, they don’t see them as ‘normal’, decent or moral, they don’t want their children exposed to them, they don’t want their children to emulate their behavior....they don’t hold them in high regard.
Is that what has you a little pissed off? Do you believe the public should be forced to change their perception?

 

[kaz]

Democrats are all wrapped up in that it has to be genetic, not a choice. What difference does it make? Why is that so critically important to them? Either way, it's not a job for government either to discriminate against gays or to validate who they have sex with. As long as it's a consenting adult, so the fuck what? Why is this such a critical distinction to the Democrats whether it's genetic or choice? What does it change?

Judge Barrett, don't use 'sexual preference' for LGBTQ people. It's incorrect and alarming.

Amy Coney Barrett graduated from law school first in her class. She's 48 and came of age with the LGBTQ rights movement. She should have known better.

www.usatoday.com

Yeah , it's the Dems who are all wrapped up in being gay while it is Republicans who are all wrapped up in discriminating against gay people.

Your typical sarcasm, makes no sense. You really suck at it. You do hang in there and keep trying though!

 

[G.T.]

I just can't figure out why you people care who another person is attracted to.

Life is short so if a same sex partner makes people happy who are any of you to stop them?

I don't care who they love. I do care that it is the law. Our society is dying the "death of 1000 cuts", and watering down marriage is simply one more cut.

Mark

How is marriage being "watered down". Gay marriage has done NOTHING to affect my marriage, or life in my country. If anything, gay marriage has actually strengthened marriage. Most young people thought marriage was "old fashioned" and a lot of young people were just cohabitting - no messy court cases when you go your own way, but when gay marriage became a thing, people starting thinking that maybe it wasn't old fashioned at all. The fact that gays valued marriage so much, encouraged young straight people give it a second look.

How has it affected your marriage? Don't care. How has it affected society's marriages is the question. It works to destroy the nuclear family by making the structure unclear.

Mark

What's unclear about it?

What is a family? It is completely obvious that until recently, it was biological. What other parameters can be expanded? How about 3 or 4 marrying? Or maybe 6?

Mark

What is so confusing about what a family is? Is a spouse family, or is a spouse not family? What is it about allowing same sex folks to become spouses that makes your marriage so confusing to you? The structure is unclear? Thats what you said...the structure is unclear. So here, let me explain it to you like you're 5: da struktur is that two(2) adults can consent in a bond we call marriage which is a rekkugnized instuhhh tooshin by thaa state

Are you still confused by the structure? Does your marriage feel unbroken now? I'd be glad if it did.

Did the social acceptance of divorce cause you to get a divorce? Of course it didn't. But it certainly did to society as a whole, did it not?

Mark

Divorce is a personal choice and each human is personally responsible for their own...the buck stops with them, not the spooky gays. That argument doesn't really have any bearing.

It sure does. We are talking about effects on society and I have clearly proven that changes in our structure can affect the family unit.

Mark

No, you haven't proven that. The divorce rate did not coincide with gay marriage, and you didn't point to any structural change with marriage that correlated with an increased divorce rate. Divorce was always legal. It's choice and technology that likely caused its increase. Folks had more than their small town Betty or Frank to choose from and when their marriage became unhappy, such can be of human nature...they suddenly realized that nobody's desert religion is going to prevent them from correcting the course of their life and so they got divorced. Shocker, news at 11.

 

[Moonglow]

This is a really strange whine since both sides argue over whether its genetic or not...but your "what difference does it make" is only directed at the folks living the experience and not the right whangers whining the opposite.

Partisan whine thread #6, 472, 836

I'm "whining" that I don't care if gay is genetic or not and I don't think it should make any difference.

Government schools just fucked you up. I'm so sorry for you, shit head

You're whining towards Gays / the left that you don't care...while the Right is also involved in the argument. That's what makes it another partisan whine show, same shit different day.

So yes, we know you're stupid and you didn't actually read the OP. You already announced that.

So which part do you disagree with me on?

1) It doesn't matter if it's genetic or a choice

2) Either way gays should be treated like anyone else. No better, no worse

I want to get to what you consider "whining."

Did they tell you to hate gays at your bigoted, extremist Christian church? Has a black or a gay ever gone to your church? What's the source of your homophobia?

billions of people, billions of reasons why, certainly not just one or the other reason

I agree, but that misses the point of my question.

Democrats consider it an insult now to call gay a "preference." They demand it's not a choice.

My question is why? What difference does it make?

To me, I oppose discriminating against gays whether it's genetic or a preference. I oppose giving gays party favors and government handouts whether it's a preference or genetic. But that applies to every group, not just gays.

Why do leftists find it so critical that it's genetic and not a preference? That's my question

Because its not discrimination if its a choice.

And it is a choice.

Mark

I don't follow your logic, can you break it down for me a little more?

I think government should treat all citizens the same. Do you agree with that?

If someone is left handed (genetic) or a baseball player (choice), should either matter?

“2) Either way gays should be treated like anyone else. No better, no worse”

They are treated like anyone else by government. What makes you think they aren’t?
Much of the American public does not respect them, they don’t see them as ‘normal’, decent or moral, they don’t want their children exposed to them, they don’t want their children to emulate their behavior....they don’t hold them in high regard.
Is that what has you a little pissed off? Do you believe the public should be forced to change their perception?

Why not, we have to put up with a parade of fake religious people never following the tenets of their religions yet claiming piety, morality and normality.

 

[G.T.]

This thread is another reason I am forced to consider drifter a tard. You can clearly see which side is intolerant of gays by reading this thread, and because some question a Gay human why they'd Vote republican, they're suddenly the intolerant ones and not the ones saying some of the horrific and bigoted shit from the right, in this thread.

Don't worry, it's because you're stupid.

 

[Moonglow]

Democrats are all wrapped up in that it has to be genetic, not a choice. What difference does it make? Why is that so critically important to them? Either way, it's not a job for government either to discriminate against gays or to validate who they have sex with. As long as it's a consenting adult, so the fuck what? Why is this such a critical distinction to the Democrats whether it's genetic or choice? What does it change?

Judge Barrett, don't use 'sexual preference' for LGBTQ people. It's incorrect and alarming.

Amy Coney Barrett graduated from law school first in her class. She's 48 and came of age with the LGBTQ rights movement. She should have known better.

www.usatoday.com

Yeah , it's the Dems who are all wrapped up in being gay while it is Republicans who are all wrapped up in discriminating against gay people.

Your typical sarcasm, makes no sense. You really suck at it. You do hang in there and keep trying though!

I really have no control over your inability to decipher English.

 

[80zephyr]

I just can't figure out why you people care who another person is attracted to.

Life is short so if a same sex partner makes people happy who are any of you to stop them?

I don't care who they love. I do care that it is the law. Our society is dying the "death of 1000 cuts", and watering down marriage is simply one more cut.

Mark

How is marriage being "watered down". Gay marriage has done NOTHING to affect my marriage, or life in my country. If anything, gay marriage has actually strengthened marriage. Most young people thought marriage was "old fashioned" and a lot of young people were just cohabitting - no messy court cases when you go your own way, but when gay marriage became a thing, people starting thinking that maybe it wasn't old fashioned at all. The fact that gays valued marriage so much, encouraged young straight people give it a second look.

How has it affected your marriage? Don't care. How has it affected society's marriages is the question. It works to destroy the nuclear family by making the structure unclear.

Mark

What's unclear about it?

What is a family? It is completely obvious that until recently, it was biological. What other parameters can be expanded? How about 3 or 4 marrying? Or maybe 6?

Mark

What is so confusing about what a family is? Is a spouse family, or is a spouse not family? What is it about allowing same sex folks to become spouses that makes your marriage so confusing to you? The structure is unclear? Thats what you said...the structure is unclear. So here, let me explain it to you like you're 5: da struktur is that two(2) adults can consent in a bond we call marriage which is a rekkugnized instuhhh tooshin by thaa state

Are you still confused by the structure? Does your marriage feel unbroken now? I'd be glad if it did.

Did the social acceptance of divorce cause you to get a divorce? Of course it didn't. But it certainly did to society as a whole, did it not?

Mark

Divorce is a personal choice and each human is personally responsible for their own...the buck stops with them, not the spooky gays. That argument doesn't really have any bearing.

It sure does. We are talking about effects on society and I have clearly proven that changes in our structure can affect the family unit.

Mark

No, you haven't proven that. The divorce rate did not coincide with gay marriage, and you didn't point to any structural change with marriage that correlated with an increased divorce rate. Divorce was always legal. It's choice and technology that likely caused its increase. Folks had more than their small town Betty or Frank to choose from and when their marriage became unhappy, such can be of human nature...they suddenly realized that nobody's desert religion is going to prevent them from correcting the course of their life and so they got divorced. Shocker, news at 11.

Sure I have proven it. When divorce became socially acceptable, what happened?

Mark

 

[Moonglow]

This thread is another reason I am forced to consider drifter a tard. You can clearly see which side is intolerant of gays by reading this thread, and because some question a Gay human why they'd Vote republican, they're suddenly the intolerant ones and not the ones saying some of the horrific and bigoted shit from the right, in this thread.

Don't worry, it's because you're stupid.

What amazes me is the Log Cabin Ers who is a gay group in the GOP and their support of Trump.

 

[G.T.]

I just can't figure out why you people care who another person is attracted to.

Life is short so if a same sex partner makes people happy who are any of you to stop them?

I don't care who they love. I do care that it is the law. Our society is dying the "death of 1000 cuts", and watering down marriage is simply one more cut.

Mark

How is marriage being "watered down". Gay marriage has done NOTHING to affect my marriage, or life in my country. If anything, gay marriage has actually strengthened marriage. Most young people thought marriage was "old fashioned" and a lot of young people were just cohabitting - no messy court cases when you go your own way, but when gay marriage became a thing, people starting thinking that maybe it wasn't old fashioned at all. The fact that gays valued marriage so much, encouraged young straight people give it a second look.

How has it affected your marriage? Don't care. How has it affected society's marriages is the question. It works to destroy the nuclear family by making the structure unclear.

Mark

What's unclear about it?

What is a family? It is completely obvious that until recently, it was biological. What other parameters can be expanded? How about 3 or 4 marrying? Or maybe 6?

Mark

What is so confusing about what a family is? Is a spouse family, or is a spouse not family? What is it about allowing same sex folks to become spouses that makes your marriage so confusing to you? The structure is unclear? Thats what you said...the structure is unclear. So here, let me explain it to you like you're 5: da struktur is that two(2) adults can consent in a bond we call marriage which is a rekkugnized instuhhh tooshin by thaa state

Are you still confused by the structure? Does your marriage feel unbroken now? I'd be glad if it did.

Did the social acceptance of divorce cause you to get a divorce? Of course it didn't. But it certainly did to society as a whole, did it not?

Mark

Divorce is a personal choice and each human is personally responsible for their own...the buck stops with them, not the spooky gays. That argument doesn't really have any bearing.

It sure does. We are talking about effects on society and I have clearly proven that changes in our structure can affect the family unit.

Mark

No, you haven't proven that. The divorce rate did not coincide with gay marriage, and you didn't point to any structural change with marriage that correlated with an increased divorce rate. Divorce was always legal. It's choice and technology that likely caused its increase. Folks had more than their small town Betty or Frank to choose from and when their marriage became unhappy, such can be of human nature...they suddenly realized that nobody's desert religion is going to prevent them from correcting the course of their life and so they got divorced. Shocker, news at 11.

Sure I have proven it. When divorce became socially acceptable, what happened?

Mark

People stopped living in abusive, alcoholic and unhappy marriages like they should have always done.

News at 11.

 

[Moonglow]

I just can't figure out why you people care who another person is attracted to.

Life is short so if a same sex partner makes people happy who are any of you to stop them?

I don't care who they love. I do care that it is the law. Our society is dying the "death of 1000 cuts", and watering down marriage is simply one more cut.

Mark

How is marriage being "watered down". Gay marriage has done NOTHING to affect my marriage, or life in my country. If anything, gay marriage has actually strengthened marriage. Most young people thought marriage was "old fashioned" and a lot of young people were just cohabitting - no messy court cases when you go your own way, but when gay marriage became a thing, people starting thinking that maybe it wasn't old fashioned at all. The fact that gays valued marriage so much, encouraged young straight people give it a second look.

How has it affected your marriage? Don't care. How has it affected society's marriages is the question. It works to destroy the nuclear family by making the structure unclear.

Mark

What's unclear about it?

What is a family? It is completely obvious that until recently, it was biological. What other parameters can be expanded? How about 3 or 4 marrying? Or maybe 6?

Mark

What is so confusing about what a family is? Is a spouse family, or is a spouse not family? What is it about allowing same sex folks to become spouses that makes your marriage so confusing to you? The structure is unclear? Thats what you said...the structure is unclear. So here, let me explain it to you like you're 5: da struktur is that two(2) adults can consent in a bond we call marriage which is a rekkugnized instuhhh tooshin by thaa state

Are you still confused by the structure? Does your marriage feel unbroken now? I'd be glad if it did.

Did the social acceptance of divorce cause you to get a divorce? Of course it didn't. But it certainly did to society as a whole, did it not?

Mark

Divorce is a personal choice and each human is personally responsible for their own...the buck stops with them, not the spooky gays. That argument doesn't really have any bearing.

It sure does. We are talking about effects on society and I have clearly proven that changes in our structure can affect the family unit.

Mark

No, you haven't proven that. The divorce rate did not coincide with gay marriage, and you didn't point to any structural change with marriage that correlated with an increased divorce rate. Divorce was always legal. It's choice and technology that likely caused its increase. Folks had more than their small town Betty or Frank to choose from and when their marriage became unhappy, such can be of human nature...they suddenly realized that nobody's desert religion is going to prevent them from correcting the course of their life and so they got divorced. Shocker, news at 11.

Sure I have proven it. When divorce became socially acceptable, what happened?

Mark

That happened during the period of Moses.

 

[G.T.]

This thread is another reason I am forced to consider drifter a tard. You can clearly see which side is intolerant of gays by reading this thread, and because some question a Gay human why they'd Vote republican, they're suddenly the intolerant ones and not the ones saying some of the horrific and bigoted shit from the right, in this thread.

Don't worry, it's because you're stupid.

What amazes me is the Log Cabin Ers who is a gay group in the GOP and their support of Trump.

Their percentages are small because most are not that stupid or easily led.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Democrats are all wrapped up in that it has to be genetic, not a choice. What difference does it make? Why is that so critically important to them? Either way, it's not a job for government either to discriminate against gays or to validate who they have sex with. As long as it's a consenting adult, so the fuck what? Why is this such a critical distinction to the Democrats whether it's genetic or choice? What does it change?

Judge Barrett, don't use 'sexual preference' for LGBTQ people. It's incorrect and alarming.

Amy Coney Barrett graduated from law school first in her class. She's 48 and came of age with the LGBTQ rights movement. She should have known better.

www.usatoday.com

You stumbled over the answer in the quesrio.

If it is limited to consenting adults then it is irrelevant whether it is a preference or genetic

But these days it is clear that minors and children are involved. If it is considered genetic then they can force people including parents to accept their kids being gay or even taught to embrace their sexuality at a young age. The justification will be that it causes psychological harm for parents to teach a kid to be straight if the kid has the gay gene.

its all about control