What did our founders really mean when they said “general welfare”?

[BS Filter]

Educated people.

They can’t write either

Samuel Adams. You're an idiot.

Donald Trump

You’re an idiot

Whatever. Go read your Constitution AS WRITTEN.

You still want those well regulated militias?

Yep. As long as there are idiots like you running around loose, you bet.

 

[danielpalos]

Haha... danielpalos and rightwinger
“Give us free shit!”
“We need free shit!”
“You owe us free shit!”
“OH....and give our illegal Mexican buddies free shit too!”

Better to give free shit to the wealthy
They will take care of us

Letting people keep their own money isn't giving them anything. It's sad when someone believes their own party propagqanda.

Relieving them of the responsibility to contribute to the society that provides them so much

I promise you, the wealthy give billions each year in charitable donations, and community investment.

People have jobs because of wealthy people, people have community centers because of wealthy people, people have parks, schools, museums, stadiums, made possible by grants from wealthy people.

yet, Government solves all problems not the private sector; or, we would not need our military.

 

[danielpalos]

Haha... danielpalos and rightwinger
“Give us free shit!”
“We need free shit!”
“You owe us free shit!”
“OH....and give our illegal Mexican buddies free shit too!”

Better to give free shit to the wealthy
They will take care of us

Letting people keep their own money isn't giving them anything. It's sad when someone believes their own party propagqanda.

it isn't Your money if we have Debt.

Uh, yeah it is. Just because the government can't control their spending isn't the fault of the citizen.

Unfortunately, taxation is a legal form of theft, one enforced by the IRS, the most powerful entity in this nation, and it's all wrong, and should not be that way. Don't blame people for wanting to try and keep the government out of their pockets.

A paycheck is what you get in exchange for your time and labor, for you to say that the government owns your money is to say that the government owns you. Sorry, that is incorrect, because if it isn't, then freedom doesn't exist.

Congress has the Power to Tax Your money, to pay the Debts.

 

[danielpalos]

Let’s look at “General Welfare”

Building a dam to provide electrical power to a sector of the country
Maintaining ports, waterways, roads, bridges
Protecting from flooding
Disaster relief
Helping the poor

Guess which one conservatives consider an assault on the Constituion

Yep, because all the others are defined by the constitution, helping the poor is not.

General welfare means providing general welfare to the country. This is secure borders, public roadways, post offices, a military, things that provide a general well being for the entire country.

Again, I think we should all help the poor, but I don't think the government should take money out of someone's pocket in order to do so.

Let's put it like this, when I have cash in my wallet, and I see homeless people on the road, I don't mind stopping and giving them money. If the government would stop taking so much of my paycheck, I would be inclined to give even more to help people, willingly, voluntarily. The government, however, takes so much of my check that it doesn't leave as much for giving.

If the government would cut back on a lot of other spending, and lowered taxes, you would probably see charitable giving increase.

the power to provide for the General welfare is General, not common like the common defense.

 

[BS Filter]

Haha... danielpalos and rightwinger
“Give us free shit!”
“We need free shit!”
“You owe us free shit!”
“OH....and give our illegal Mexican buddies free shit too!”

Better to give free shit to the wealthy
They will take care of us

Letting people keep their own money isn't giving them anything. It's sad when someone believes their own party propagqanda.

Relieving them of the responsibility to contribute to the society that provides them so much

I promise you, the wealthy give billions each year in charitable donations, and community investment.

People have jobs because of wealthy people, people have community centers because of wealthy people, people have parks, schools, museums, stadiums, made possible by grants from wealthy people.

yet, Government solves all problems not the private sector; or, we would not need our military.

Yeah, which government agencies developed the light bulb, automobiles, aircraft, radio, television.... idiot.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

power to provide for the General welfare is General, not common like the common defense.

It's not specific either. It's general.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

, Government solves all problems not the private sector; or, we would not need our military.

Government!

The cause of.....


....and solution to....


...all of life's problems...



Get the **** out of my country, you statist authoritarian commie hack!!!

 

[danielpalos]

Better to give free shit to the wealthy
They will take care of us

Letting people keep their own money isn't giving them anything. It's sad when someone believes their own party propagqanda.

Relieving them of the responsibility to contribute to the society that provides them so much

I promise you, the wealthy give billions each year in charitable donations, and community investment.

People have jobs because of wealthy people, people have community centers because of wealthy people, people have parks, schools, museums, stadiums, made possible by grants from wealthy people.

The wealthy make a profit off of every person they employ.

And every employee has a job because of a wealthy person.

Because we allege to subscribe to capitalism, not socialism. that is the only reason.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Because we allege to subscribe to capitalism, not socialism. that is the only reason.

What the **** does this mean?

If government was the only employer, everyone would have a job?

 

[danielpalos]

Because we allege to subscribe to capitalism, not socialism. that is the only reason.

What the **** does this mean?

If government was the only employer, everyone would have a job?

Capitalism has a natural rate of poverty inducing unemployment.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Capitalism has a natural rate of poverty inducing unemployment.

That's not a capitalism problem. It's a supply and demand problem.

Get your illegal Mexican brothers the **** out of here and jobs will open, and wages will naturally rise.

 

[danielpalos]

Capitalism has a natural rate of poverty inducing unemployment.

That's not a capitalism problem. It's a supply and demand problem.

Get your illegal Mexican brothers the **** out of here and jobs will open, and wages will naturally rise.

Won't be enough in our First World economy.

We should raise the minimum wage to fifteen dollars an hour; it is simpler than than all of that socialism on a national basis, the right wing prefers.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Who did the government give YOUR money to?

EVERY government expenditure does not help people equally. People with no children pay to educate the children of others. Are you taking their money to give to others?
But education is for the General Welfare of the people

What about people on welfare that don't pay any taxes, yet their children are educated at the expense of others. Is that fair?

With social welfare, those getting the benefits aren't paying the taxes and those paying the taxes don't get from those programs.

Who writes the tax code?
The rich or the poor?

How much of the code is written to benefit the poor vs the rich?
How much benefits the middle class?

Doesn't matter who is wealthy or poor. Laws are for everyone. The Democrats are the tax party. Why don't you start there if you want change.

Very true.....
The Democrats tax and spend
Republicans cut taxes and spend

How about we cut taxes and cut spending? That sounds like a wonderful idea

 

[ThisIsMe]

Haha... danielpalos and rightwinger
“Give us free shit!”
“We need free shit!”
“You owe us free shit!”
“OH....and give our illegal Mexican buddies free shit too!”

Better to give free shit to the wealthy
They will take care of us

Letting people keep their own money isn't giving them anything. It's sad when someone believes their own party propagqanda.

Relieving them of the responsibility to contribute to the society that provides them so much

I promise you, the wealthy give billions each year in charitable donations, and community investment.

People have jobs because of wealthy people, people have community centers because of wealthy people, people have parks, schools, museums, stadiums, made possible by grants from wealthy people.

yet, Government solves all problems not the private sector; or, we would not need our military.

If government would get out of the way, the private sector could solve a lot more problems, and providing a military is a job of the government.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Haha... danielpalos and rightwinger
“Give us free shit!”
“We need free shit!”
“You owe us free shit!”
“OH....and give our illegal Mexican buddies free shit too!”

Better to give free shit to the wealthy
They will take care of us

Letting people keep their own money isn't giving them anything. It's sad when someone believes their own party propagqanda.

it isn't Your money if we have Debt.

Uh, yeah it is. Just because the government can't control their spending isn't the fault of the citizen.

Unfortunately, taxation is a legal form of theft, one enforced by the IRS, the most powerful entity in this nation, and it's all wrong, and should not be that way. Don't blame people for wanting to try and keep the government out of their pockets.

A paycheck is what you get in exchange for your time and labor, for you to say that the government owns your money is to say that the government owns you. Sorry, that is incorrect, because if it isn't, then freedom doesn't exist.

Congress has the Power to Tax Your money, to pay the Debts.

1) you are correct, the portion of taxes they take is theirs, the rest is mine.

2) a lot of the taxes we pay are for government programs that are unconstitutional, and we should not be taxed for them, a.k.a, theft.

 

[rightwinger]

What about people on welfare that don't pay any taxes, yet their children are educated at the expense of others. Is that fair?

With social welfare, those getting the benefits aren't paying the taxes and those paying the taxes don't get from those programs.

Who writes the tax code?
The rich or the poor?

How much of the code is written to benefit the poor vs the rich?
How much benefits the middle class?

Doesn't matter who is wealthy or poor. Laws are for everyone. The Democrats are the tax party. Why don't you start there if you want change.

Very true.....
The Democrats tax and spend
Republicans cut taxes and spend

How about we cut taxes and cut spending? That sounds like a wonderful idea

For once
Cut your spending BEFORE you cut your taxes

 

[rightwinger]

Better to give free shit to the wealthy
They will take care of us

Letting people keep their own money isn't giving them anything. It's sad when someone believes their own party propagqanda.

Relieving them of the responsibility to contribute to the society that provides them so much

I promise you, the wealthy give billions each year in charitable donations, and community investment.

People have jobs because of wealthy people, people have community centers because of wealthy people, people have parks, schools, museums, stadiums, made possible by grants from wealthy people.

yet, Government solves all problems not the private sector; or, we would not need our military.

If government would get out of the way, the private sector could solve a lot more problems, and providing a military is a job of the government.

Sure they will

They will crash the economy again

 

[ThisIsMe]

Let’s look at “General Welfare”

Building a dam to provide electrical power to a sector of the country
Maintaining ports, waterways, roads, bridges
Protecting from flooding
Disaster relief
Helping the poor

Guess which one conservatives consider an assault on the Constituion

Yep, because all the others are defined by the constitution, helping the poor is not.

General welfare means providing general welfare to the country. This is secure borders, public roadways, post offices, a military, things that provide a general well being for the entire country.

Again, I think we should all help the poor, but I don't think the government should take money out of someone's pocket in order to do so.

Let's put it like this, when I have cash in my wallet, and I see homeless people on the road, I don't mind stopping and giving them money. If the government would stop taking so much of my paycheck, I would be inclined to give even more to help people, willingly, voluntarily. The government, however, takes so much of my check that it doesn't leave as much for giving.

If the government would cut back on a lot of other spending, and lowered taxes, you would probably see charitable giving increase.

the power to provide for the General welfare is General, not common like the common defense.

Right, and general welfare means the welfare of the country, as in providing things that the government is allowed to via the enumerated powers.

If the general welfare clause was meant to be used all encompasingly, then why would they need to write 18 enumerated powers.

And lastly, you've posted that statement several times...I'm beginning to think you're a bot lol...

 

[TheDude]

General protections, education, economics, shit like that. Not literally WELFARE as in entitled to substance on the public's dime because you're a lazy piece of shit or corrupt.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Capitalism has a natural rate of poverty inducing unemployment.

That's not a capitalism problem. It's a supply and demand problem.

Get your illegal Mexican brothers the **** out of here and jobs will open, and wages will naturally rise.

Won't be enough in our First World economy.

We should raise the minimum wage to fifteen dollars an hour; it is simpler than than all of that socialism on a national basis, the right wing prefers.

Raising the minimum wage to $15 would kill the economy. All those jobs currently paying $15 would have to raise their pay to at least $21, and all those paying $21 would have to raise to $27, etc..

While it sounds good in theory, a lot of companies would not be able to afford to increase pay of every employee they have, not to mention pretty much pricing any mom and pop business right out of the market.