What did our founders really mean when they said “general welfare”?

[jc456]

nothing but right wing fantasy is all they have; not any form of Credibility.

I like it that the tax cuts came to fruition. That is a fact.

income redistribution; the right wing claims only socialists, do that--http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Well capitalist believe that one earns the money for work done. Not handed for to people for doing nothing. That is your's and mine difference. My idea of income redistribution is private corporations handing out jobs and paying a wage to do the work. the government then expects tax revenue from the employee based on salary. You believe in the employee working and making a salary to pay for the person who doesn't work. Hmmm I'm not sure the employee of the corporation was expecting that their hard work would be to carry those who don't. fundamentally that is our difference.

Agree. You earn money, taxes are paid to run the government, not to provide healthcare for everyone. I pay into Medicare and Social Security for ME.

why complain about the cost of social services?

 

[danielpalos]

Our federal Constitution is Express not Implied whenever it may promote the general welfare.

General welfare doesn't mean everyone is entitled to government provided healthcare. Again, if it did, then the founders would have instilled healthcare for everyone. You don't have a leg to stand on. You're simply throwing crap at the wall and hoping some of it sticks.

why not? the common defense cannot mean we are "entitled to free and alleged, wars on crime, drugs, or terror."

Figures of speech.

our welfare clause is Expressly declared general, not common.

post it.

Here are the general powers delegated to Congress:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,

to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; ​

but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

 

[danielpalos]

they didn't have electric vehicles back then; any more special pleading?

and back to pig latin. the who's on first scenario.

special pleading or appealing to ignorance is all the right wing seems to know.

we only ask that your ignorance be explained in english.

i don't make excuses in any language with Google Translate; only the right wing is lazy enough to complain.

you have a real poor writing skill. I'm sorry, but most of the time your language skills leave's me unable to respond since I can't make out your point. just saying, if you truly wish a dialogue with me, I'd suggest you write more literate.

doesn't matter; appeals to ignorance only works in political venues not legal venues.

 

[jc456]

General welfare doesn't mean everyone is entitled to government provided healthcare. Again, if it did, then the founders would have instilled healthcare for everyone. You don't have a leg to stand on. You're simply throwing crap at the wall and hoping some of it sticks.

why not? the common defense cannot mean we are "entitled to free and alleged, wars on crime, drugs, or terror."

Figures of speech.

our welfare clause is Expressly declared general, not common.

post it.

Here are the general powers delegated to Congress:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,

to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; ​

but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

so which part says we pay for welfare?

 

[danielpalos]

why not? the common defense cannot mean we are "entitled to free and alleged, wars on crime, drugs, or terror."

Figures of speech.

our welfare clause is Expressly declared general, not common.

post it.

Here are the general powers delegated to Congress:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,

to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; ​

but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

so which part says we pay for welfare?

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,

 

[BS Filter]

nothing but right wing fantasy is all they have; not any form of Credibility.

I like it that the tax cuts came to fruition. That is a fact.

income redistribution; the right wing claims only socialists, do that--http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Well capitalist believe that one earns the money for work done. Not handed for to people for doing nothing. That is your's and mine difference. My idea of income redistribution is private corporations handing out jobs and paying a wage to do the work. the government then expects tax revenue from the employee based on salary. You believe in the employee working and making a salary to pay for the person who doesn't work. Hmmm I'm not sure the employee of the corporation was expecting that their hard work would be to carry those who don't. fundamentally that is our difference.

Agree. You earn money, taxes are paid to run the government, not to provide healthcare for everyone. I pay into Medicare and Social Security for ME.

why complain about the cost of social services?

It's not the job of government. Our government has become socialized gradually over the last century. Our Constitutional government wasn't supposed to provide social services. That's the job of charities and the churches.

 

[BS Filter]

Figures of speech.

our welfare clause is Expressly declared general, not common.

post it.

Here are the general powers delegated to Congress:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,

to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; ​

but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

so which part says we pay for welfare?

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,

Agree. That's Constitutional. No where does the Constitution declare that the government must provide social services and healthcare for everyone. Also, there is nothing in the Constitution that declares the Federal government is supposed to run education. There are many things we are now running from the Federal government that are not mandated in the Constitution.

 

[danielpalos]

I like it that the tax cuts came to fruition. That is a fact.

income redistribution; the right wing claims only socialists, do that--http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Well capitalist believe that one earns the money for work done. Not handed for to people for doing nothing. That is your's and mine difference. My idea of income redistribution is private corporations handing out jobs and paying a wage to do the work. the government then expects tax revenue from the employee based on salary. You believe in the employee working and making a salary to pay for the person who doesn't work. Hmmm I'm not sure the employee of the corporation was expecting that their hard work would be to carry those who don't. fundamentally that is our difference.

Agree. You earn money, taxes are paid to run the government, not to provide healthcare for everyone. I pay into Medicare and Social Security for ME.

why complain about the cost of social services?

It's not the job of government. Our government has become socialized gradually over the last century. Our Constitutional government wasn't supposed to provide social services. That's the job of charities and the churches.

Providing for the general welfare in our First World economy means just that. The general welfare of the People of our Republic.

Post roads and Post canals should be a fine example of just such a provision by Government, not Capitalism on a for-profit basis.

 

[danielpalos]

our welfare clause is Expressly declared general, not common.

post it.

Here are the general powers delegated to Congress:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,

to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; ​

but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

so which part says we pay for welfare?

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,

Agree. That's Constitutional. No where does the Constitution declare that the government must provide social services and healthcare for everyone. Also, there is nothing in the Constitution that declares the Federal government is supposed to run education. There are many things we are now running from the Federal government that are not mandated in the Constitution.

if you all had more than nothing but repeal, you would be coming up with better solutions at lower cost.

access to healthcare is a natural right in a First World economy; may not in any less developed economy.

 

[jc456]

Figures of speech.

our welfare clause is Expressly declared general, not common.

post it.

Here are the general powers delegated to Congress:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,

to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; ​

but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

so which part says we pay for welfare?

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,

yep, and so how is this welfare payments.

 

[jc456]

post it.

Here are the general powers delegated to Congress:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,

to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; ​

but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

so which part says we pay for welfare?

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,

Agree. That's Constitutional. No where does the Constitution declare that the government must provide social services and healthcare for everyone. Also, there is nothing in the Constitution that declares the Federal government is supposed to run education. There are many things we are now running from the Federal government that are not mandated in the Constitution.

if you all had more than nothing but repeal, you would be coming up with better solutions at lower cost.

access to healthcare is a natural right in a First World economy; may not in any less developed economy.

still poor writing skills. wow. dude, you should learn how many votes it takes to make the change in the Senate. just saying playing stupid daily gets you know where.

 

[jc456]

income redistribution; the right wing claims only socialists, do that--http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Well capitalist believe that one earns the money for work done. Not handed for to people for doing nothing. That is your's and mine difference. My idea of income redistribution is private corporations handing out jobs and paying a wage to do the work. the government then expects tax revenue from the employee based on salary. You believe in the employee working and making a salary to pay for the person who doesn't work. Hmmm I'm not sure the employee of the corporation was expecting that their hard work would be to carry those who don't. fundamentally that is our difference.

Agree. You earn money, taxes are paid to run the government, not to provide healthcare for everyone. I pay into Medicare and Social Security for ME.

why complain about the cost of social services?

It's not the job of government. Our government has become socialized gradually over the last century. Our Constitutional government wasn't supposed to provide social services. That's the job of charities and the churches.

Providing for the general welfare in our First World economy means just that. The general welfare of the People of our Republic.

Post roads and Post canals should be a fine example of just such a provision by Government, not Capitalism on a for-profit basis.

general welfare is for all. not isolation to individuals. again, that's the argument. why not catch up?

 

[danielpalos]

our welfare clause is Expressly declared general, not common.

post it.

Here are the general powers delegated to Congress:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,

to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; ​

but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

so which part says we pay for welfare?

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,

yep, and so how is this welfare payments.

to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;

 

[jc456]

post it.

Here are the general powers delegated to Congress:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,

to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; ​

but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

so which part says we pay for welfare?

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,

yep, and so how is this welfare payments.

to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;

debts are not welfare payments to individuals. you're truly lost pup!

 

[danielpalos]

Here are the general powers delegated to Congress:

so which part says we pay for welfare?

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,

Agree. That's Constitutional. No where does the Constitution declare that the government must provide social services and healthcare for everyone. Also, there is nothing in the Constitution that declares the Federal government is supposed to run education. There are many things we are now running from the Federal government that are not mandated in the Constitution.

if you all had more than nothing but repeal, you would be coming up with better solutions at lower cost.

access to healthcare is a natural right in a First World economy; may not in any less developed economy.

still poor writing skills. wow. dude, you should learn how many votes it takes to make the change in the Senate. just saying playing stupid daily gets you know where.

ad hominems are worthless under any form of capitalism.

 

[rightwinger]

General Welfare is how the founders phrased....Doing what is in the best interests of We the People

 

[danielpalos]

Here are the general powers delegated to Congress:

so which part says we pay for welfare?

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,

yep, and so how is this welfare payments.

to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;

debts are not welfare payments to individuals. you're truly lost pup!

the general welfare is general not limited to Your implications. it must cover every contingency not make excuses.

 

[jc456]

so which part says we pay for welfare?

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,

Agree. That's Constitutional. No where does the Constitution declare that the government must provide social services and healthcare for everyone. Also, there is nothing in the Constitution that declares the Federal government is supposed to run education. There are many things we are now running from the Federal government that are not mandated in the Constitution.

if you all had more than nothing but repeal, you would be coming up with better solutions at lower cost.

access to healthcare is a natural right in a First World economy; may not in any less developed economy.

still poor writing skills. wow. dude, you should learn how many votes it takes to make the change in the Senate. just saying playing stupid daily gets you know where.

ad hominems are worthless under any form of capitalism.

I know cause you don't understand factual information. that's on you though. but hey thanks for all the credits.

 

[danielpalos]

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,

Agree. That's Constitutional. No where does the Constitution declare that the government must provide social services and healthcare for everyone. Also, there is nothing in the Constitution that declares the Federal government is supposed to run education. There are many things we are now running from the Federal government that are not mandated in the Constitution.

if you all had more than nothing but repeal, you would be coming up with better solutions at lower cost.

access to healthcare is a natural right in a First World economy; may not in any less developed economy.

still poor writing skills. wow. dude, you should learn how many votes it takes to make the change in the Senate. just saying playing stupid daily gets you know where.

ad hominems are worthless under any form of capitalism.

I know cause you don't understand factual information. that's on you though. but hey thanks for all the credits.

fallacy has no fact; or you would have a good argument instead of only ad hominems.

 

[jc456]

Agree. That's Constitutional. No where does the Constitution declare that the government must provide social services and healthcare for everyone. Also, there is nothing in the Constitution that declares the Federal government is supposed to run education. There are many things we are now running from the Federal government that are not mandated in the Constitution.

if you all had more than nothing but repeal, you would be coming up with better solutions at lower cost.

access to healthcare is a natural right in a First World economy; may not in any less developed economy.

still poor writing skills. wow. dude, you should learn how many votes it takes to make the change in the Senate. just saying playing stupid daily gets you know where.

ad hominems are worthless under any form of capitalism.

I know cause you don't understand factual information. that's on you though. but hey thanks for all the credits.

fallacy has no fact; or you would have a good argument instead of only ad hominems.

perhaps you could write in english and I'd answer.