What Constitutes a "Right?"

[goldcatt]

Five dolla make you holla Ghee Eye....

I was thinking more along these lines

No, that will just make you hit the floor.

I know. Good stuff.

 

[Contumacious]

the South attacked first

nice try with the revisionist bullshit

try not getting your history lessons from southern democrats

Mr. Fucktard Sir,

You Lie.

Lincoln was told to remove federal troops from Fort Sumter, the ************ refused. South Carolina had no choice.

So STFU.


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So they did what?
attacked a union fort!

You just proved me correct, thank you

At the time there was no union. South Carolina was a completely and totally sovereign state. The Northern troops belonged to a foreign military force.


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[goldcatt]

All right, rubberhead. Although I would probably be somewhat justified to show you, that's not my style so I'll tell you what you wanted to know.
Have you used the rep function yet? On every post there is a little square with a little thumbs up and down in the upper right corner. For a post you like (or really, really do not like), click on that and you can choose whether to add rep to the poster, or subtract it. You can add as many rep points to that poster as you have earned. In your case, that's one. That's pos rep. It's a compliment for a good post, or just something that made you laugh, or whatever you decide to give it for.
When you subtract rep points, you take away half the number of points you have. In your case, I'm not sure if that would work out to one or zero. That's neg rep. It's basically an insult.
Things are a little loose around here, in case you didn't notice. Posters have a very few rules to follow and stuff happens when people are having fun. Like a couple of posters in a thread going off on a tangent, or a jokester coming in and posting cartoons or off-color humor. You need to be a little more flexible if you want to get along. Nobody likes a whiner. Here, they tend to make pinatas out of them. You got lucky you ran into some people who are relatively gentle this time.

You, of course, have the right to be a whining douchebag pinata if that's what you want to be. Your choice. But now you know!

 

[Contumacious]

What you stated previously was in fact incorrect. There is no right to vote in a federal election via the Constitution of the United States.

Article 1, Section II, Clause 1: "The House of Representatives shall be composed of members chosen every second year by the people of the several states, and the electors in each state shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the state legislature."

You are misreading the Constitution. There is no right to vote in a federal election in the aforementioned part of the Constitution. I don't always agree with the SCOTUS, but they hold the same view.

You're mostly right. In fact, there is no such thing as a "Federal" election. All Federal offices are elected by the individual States. For the office of President, the States could theoretically remove the right of the people to vote for electors anytime it chooses.

To which I was ask of anyone who doesn't understand that clause, which came first? The Constitution which CREATED the states, or powers of the states?

Stay in school, next year they will teach you that THE STATES CREATED THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND ADOPTED THE CONSTITUTION.


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[Intense]

Mr. Fucktard Sir,

You Lie.

Lincoln was told to remove federal troops from Fort Sumter, the ************ refused. South Carolina had no choice.

So STFU.


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So they did what?
attacked a union fort!

You just proved me correct, thank you

At the time there was no union. South Carolina was a completely and totally sovereign state. The Northern troops belonged to a foreign military force.


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I think Mr. Personality is on vacation again. Keep an eye on your kids and pets just in case though.

 

[Intense]

You're mostly right. In fact, there is no such thing as a "Federal" election. All Federal offices are elected by the individual States. For the office of President, the States could theoretically remove the right of the people to vote for electors anytime it chooses.

To which I was ask of anyone who doesn't understand that clause, which came first? The Constitution which CREATED the states, or powers of the states?

Stay in school, next year they will teach you that THE STATES CREATED THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND ADOPTED THE CONSTITUTION.


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Is it getting that bad?

 

[Contumacious]

Our nation was founded on the belief of natural rights so if what you say is true we should have stayed a part of Great Britain. As for healthcare being a right and giving us more freedom, I'd say you're quite mistaken. Freedom doesn't entail the government taking from one person to give to another.

So now you're trying to argue the Sixteenth Amendment? You make no sense, none.

I have no idea what you're talking about. The 16th amendment gives the federal government the power to institute an income tax. What does that have to do with the discussion at hand?

That's bullshit, the 16th was never ratified.


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[Contumacious]

You're mostly right. In fact, there is no such thing as a "Federal" election. All Federal offices are elected by the individual States. For the office of President, the States could theoretically remove the right of the people to vote for electors anytime it chooses.

The office of President is a federal office, as is Congress. That is why I said what I did. I agree with you on your latter point.

Here we go again with this agreeing stuff.

The Constitution is always good for solid debate. I think the framers wrote it in such an ambiguous way as to promote that debate.

There is NOTHING ambiguous about the Constitution , unless some federal official is attempting to usurp a power.


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[Contumacious]

You're mostly right. In fact, there is no such thing as a "Federal" election. All Federal offices are elected by the individual States. For the office of President, the States could theoretically remove the right of the people to vote for electors anytime it chooses.

The office of President is a federal office, as is Congress. That is why I said what I did. I agree with you on your latter point.

Here we go again with this agreeing stuff.

Dammit!
But I disagree as to your first point, although it's only semantics. The Federal offices are also elected by the States. Where they serve does not affect who they represent or how they are selected. In State level elections.
Abolish the Electoral College, and then you have a Federal presidential election.

Abolish the electoral college and then federal government will be 100% controlled by the parasites.


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[Contumacious]

That is a valid question. I think it is well summarized in the document you paraphrased. The greatest right is the right to liberty, which, defined, constitutes the right to choose. Rights are not to be granted by government, rather protected.

On the other hand, in protecting said rights some restrictions must be put in place. I lose the right to choose to kill, for example, in exchange for protection against murderers (thus preserving my life and my ability to continue making choices).

As Americans, we could be more careful in our discussions of rights. Too often, we call entitlements our "rights". Not so. They may be valuable all the same, but we often confuse the two.

There are no restrictions because you never had the right to kill. Killing takes away somebody else's right to their life so how could you possibly have that right in the first place?

There is no Right to Murder.

My right to life implies that I have the right to defend the same.

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[Intense]

The office of President is a federal office, as is Congress. That is why I said what I did. I agree with you on your latter point.

Here we go again with this agreeing stuff.

Dammit!
But I disagree as to your first point, although it's only semantics. The Federal offices are also elected by the States. Where they serve does not affect who they represent or how they are selected. In State level elections.
Abolish the Electoral College, and then you have a Federal presidential election.

Abolish the electoral college and then federal government will be 100% controlled by the parasites.


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Thats debatable 50% currently don't even vote. Election Reform could change that. There are allot of angles that need to be covered though. Remember too that you have large minority conservative Votes in the Cities too that add to the count. Electoral College has pluses and minuses too.

 

[Contumacious]

i used the word "kill" because the person i quoted said they "lose the right to choose to kill." the word "kill" in our conversation was used in reference to murder, not self defense. Obviously you have the right to defend yourself.

i have a right to choose to kill someone who is trying to kill me or some other innocent person.

Not all decisions to take a human life are illegal.

Yes, it is obvious that we all have a right to self-defense.

self-defense does not imply killing. If someone is threatening your life without due cause (i.e. You are not threatening their life) then they forfeit their rights and your right to defend your rights is a fundamental part of freedom for all.

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huh?


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[Intense]

i have a right to choose to kill someone who is trying to kill me or some other innocent person.

Not all decisions to take a human life are illegal.

Yes, it is obvious that we all have a right to self-defense.

self-defense does not imply killing. If someone is threatening your life without due cause (i.e. You are not threatening their life) then they forfeit their rights and your right to defend your rights is a fundamental part of freedom for all.

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huh?


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Many people actually believe that crap. They are taught to.

 

[Contumacious]

Yes, this is true. Which is why freedom cannot be absolute for all and still be natural.

Nonsense.

Freedom is absolute, unless the individual agree to waive his right.


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[Intense]

Yes, this is true. Which is why freedom cannot be absolute for all and still be natural.

Nonsense.

Freedom is absolute, unless the individual agree to waive his right.


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It is like they are taught to refuse knowledge, deny all evidence, Links, History.

Yes, this is true. Which is why freedom cannot be absolute for all and still be natural.

rubberhead, please elaborate or translate this.

 

[rubberhead]

All right, rubberhead. Although I would probably be somewhat justified to show you, that's not my style so I'll tell you what you wanted to know.
Have you used the rep function yet? On every post there is a little square with a little thumbs up and down in the upper right corner. For a post you like (or really, really do not like), click on that and you can choose whether to add rep to the poster, or subtract it. You can add as many rep points to that poster as you have earned. In your case, that's one. That's pos rep. It's a compliment for a good post, or just something that made you laugh, or whatever you decide to give it for.
When you subtract rep points, you take away half the number of points you have. In your case, I'm not sure if that would work out to one or zero. That's neg rep. It's basically an insult.
Things are a little loose around here, in case you didn't notice. Posters have a very few rules to follow and stuff happens when people are having fun. Like a couple of posters in a thread going off on a tangent, or a jokester coming in and posting cartoons or off-color humor. You need to be a little more flexible if you want to get along. Nobody likes a whiner. Here, they tend to make pinatas out of them. You got lucky you ran into some people who are relatively gentle this time.

You, of course, have the right to be a whining douchebag pinata if that's what you want to be. Your choice. But now you know!

I don't see any thumbs up... I'm not going to use that anyway. It seems kind of layme. Thanks for the tip tho. I had no idea. I'll probably choose to be a whiny douche sometimes, just like anyone else. I was just very interested in the thread, so I was watching it, and then I kept coming back to see these one liner posts that had nothing to do with the thread.

 

[rubberhead]

If something is natural, then you are born with it. We certainly cannot agree that people are born with the right to do whatever they want regardless of who it harms and no one can stop them. Wouldn't you say? Hmmmm?

 

[RadiomanATL]

All right, rubberhead. Although I would probably be somewhat justified to show you, that's not my style so I'll tell you what you wanted to know.
Have you used the rep function yet? On every post there is a little square with a little thumbs up and down in the upper right corner. For a post you like (or really, really do not like), click on that and you can choose whether to add rep to the poster, or subtract it. You can add as many rep points to that poster as you have earned. In your case, that's one. That's pos rep. It's a compliment for a good post, or just something that made you laugh, or whatever you decide to give it for.
When you subtract rep points, you take away half the number of points you have. In your case, I'm not sure if that would work out to one or zero. That's neg rep. It's basically an insult.
Things are a little loose around here, in case you didn't notice. Posters have a very few rules to follow and stuff happens when people are having fun. Like a couple of posters in a thread going off on a tangent, or a jokester coming in and posting cartoons or off-color humor. You need to be a little more flexible if you want to get along. Nobody likes a whiner. Here, they tend to make pinatas out of them. You got lucky you ran into some people who are relatively gentle this time.

You, of course, have the right to be a whining douchebag pinata if that's what you want to be. Your choice. But now you know!

Damn assholes.

 

[rubberhead]

Yes, this is true. Which is why freedom cannot be absolute for all and still be natural.

Nonsense.

Freedom is absolute, unless the individual agree to waive his right.


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Actually you are still free even if you waive your rights. That is, you are free not to honor your agreement to waive your rights. However, the freedom that you naturally have must respect the freedom of others. That's what I believe anyway.

 

[goldcatt]

All right, rubberhead. Although I would probably be somewhat justified to show you, that's not my style so I'll tell you what you wanted to know.
Have you used the rep function yet? On every post there is a little square with a little thumbs up and down in the upper right corner. For a post you like (or really, really do not like), click on that and you can choose whether to add rep to the poster, or subtract it. You can add as many rep points to that poster as you have earned. In your case, that's one. That's pos rep. It's a compliment for a good post, or just something that made you laugh, or whatever you decide to give it for.
When you subtract rep points, you take away half the number of points you have. In your case, I'm not sure if that would work out to one or zero. That's neg rep. It's basically an insult.
Things are a little loose around here, in case you didn't notice. Posters have a very few rules to follow and stuff happens when people are having fun. Like a couple of posters in a thread going off on a tangent, or a jokester coming in and posting cartoons or off-color humor. You need to be a little more flexible if you want to get along. Nobody likes a whiner. Here, they tend to make pinatas out of them. You got lucky you ran into some people who are relatively gentle this time.

You, of course, have the right to be a whining douchebag pinata if that's what you want to be. Your choice. But now you know!

Damn assholes.

Those heathens are just lucky the Hogs are on tonight.