What are your chances...?

[yiostheoy]

...of dying in the US

Clearly there's an issue here, and it's not Islamic terrorism.

The right say we can't take guns away from people, but they do want to prevent Muslims getting into the US. Why? Er... because one isn't them and the other is, probably.

Islamic terrorists are just one of several categories of criminals.

You are most likely to be killed by someone you know, and whether they use a gun or not is not really relevant since many murders are by poisonings not gunfire.

You are 3 times as likely to be killed in a transportation accident than with a gun.

Disease is the most likely thing to kill anyone however not guns.

The Odds of Dying

 

[yiostheoy]

frigidweirdo you can take my gun when you peel it from my cold dead hands.

Come and get it.

 

[frigidweirdo]

...of dying in the US

Clearly there's an issue here, and it's not Islamic terrorism.

The right say we can't take guns away from people, but they do want to prevent Muslims getting into the US. Why? Er... because one isn't them and the other is, probably.

Islamic terrorists are just one of several categories of criminals.

You are most likely to be killed by someone you know, and whether they use a gun or not is not really relevant since many murders are by poisonings not gunfire.

You are 3 times as likely to be killed in a transportation accident than with a gun.

Disease is the most likely thing to kill anyone however not guns.

The Odds of Dying

3/4 of all murders are with gun in the US. The US murder rate is 4 times higher than the UK murder rate and the usual rate for most first world countries. So, the non-gun murder rate in the US is about normal for a murder rate in the first world, and then this is times by three because of guns in society.

Yes disease will kill people, but up to this moment we're struggling to prevent people dying from certain diseases like cancer. But that doesn't mean we should ignore other problems simply because another problem exists, does it?

"Oh, no, my refrigerator is broken"
"Ignore it, you're ugly, you don't need a refrigerator when you're ugly anyway"

 

[Skull Pilot]

...of dying in the US

Clearly there's an issue here, and it's not Islamic terrorism.

The right say we can't take guns away from people, but they do want to prevent Muslims getting into the US. Why? Er... because one isn't them and the other is, probably.

Most of those gun murders are criminals shooting other criminals. We do nothing to keep people who commit gun crimes off the streets

which is exactly why law abiding people need to be armed

 

[frigidweirdo]

frigidweirdo you can take my gun when you peel it from my cold dead hands.

Come and get it.

Soundbite city huh?

 

[frigidweirdo]

...of dying in the US

Clearly there's an issue here, and it's not Islamic terrorism.

The right say we can't take guns away from people, but they do want to prevent Muslims getting into the US. Why? Er... because one isn't them and the other is, probably.

Most of those gun murders are criminals shooting other criminals. We do nothing to keep people who commit gun crimes off the streets

which is exactly why law abiding people need to be armed

Ah, so you label them as criminals, so they don't count? Put all the problems into one corner and ignore them. When they rise up into your face all you need to do is blame it on them being black, or something, isn't that what people do to ignore the problems?

Why would you want to live in a society where this is happening?

 

[Skull Pilot]

...of dying in the US

Clearly there's an issue here, and it's not Islamic terrorism.

The right say we can't take guns away from people, but they do want to prevent Muslims getting into the US. Why? Er... because one isn't them and the other is, probably.

Islamic terrorists are just one of several categories of criminals.

You are most likely to be killed by someone you know, and whether they use a gun or not is not really relevant since many murders are by poisonings not gunfire.

You are 3 times as likely to be killed in a transportation accident than with a gun.

Disease is the most likely thing to kill anyone however not guns.

The Odds of Dying

3/4 of all murders are with gun in the US. The US murder rate is 4 times higher than the UK murder rate and the usual rate for most first world countries. So, the non-gun murder rate in the US is about normal for a murder rate in the first world, and then this is times by three because of guns in society.

Yes disease will kill people, but up to this moment we're struggling to prevent people dying from certain diseases like cancer. But that doesn't mean we should ignore other problems simply because another problem exists, does it?

"Oh, no, my refrigerator is broken"
"Ignore it, you're ugly, you don't need a refrigerator when you're ugly anyway"

Our murder rate in 1950 was the same as it is today and it was about 4 times higher than the UK then too

You cannot ignore that the US is NOT the UK and that we have very different socioeconomic and cultural situations

 

[Skull Pilot]

...of dying in the US

Clearly there's an issue here, and it's not Islamic terrorism.

The right say we can't take guns away from people, but they do want to prevent Muslims getting into the US. Why? Er... because one isn't them and the other is, probably.

Most of those gun murders are criminals shooting other criminals. We do nothing to keep people who commit gun crimes off the streets

which is exactly why law abiding people need to be armed

Ah, so you label them as criminals, so they don't count? Put all the problems into one corner and ignore them. When they rise up into your face all you need to do is blame it on them being black, or something, isn't that what people do to ignore the problems?

Why would you want to live in a society where this is happening?

It's a fact that most people involved in shootings have long criminal histories
If we kept them off the streets rather than letting them out the murder rate would plummet but you don't want to keep people who commit crimes with guns in jail do you?

 

[frigidweirdo]

...of dying in the US

Clearly there's an issue here, and it's not Islamic terrorism.

The right say we can't take guns away from people, but they do want to prevent Muslims getting into the US. Why? Er... because one isn't them and the other is, probably.

Islamic terrorists are just one of several categories of criminals.

You are most likely to be killed by someone you know, and whether they use a gun or not is not really relevant since many murders are by poisonings not gunfire.

You are 3 times as likely to be killed in a transportation accident than with a gun.

Disease is the most likely thing to kill anyone however not guns.

The Odds of Dying

3/4 of all murders are with gun in the US. The US murder rate is 4 times higher than the UK murder rate and the usual rate for most first world countries. So, the non-gun murder rate in the US is about normal for a murder rate in the first world, and then this is times by three because of guns in society.

Yes disease will kill people, but up to this moment we're struggling to prevent people dying from certain diseases like cancer. But that doesn't mean we should ignore other problems simply because another problem exists, does it?

"Oh, no, my refrigerator is broken"
"Ignore it, you're ugly, you don't need a refrigerator when you're ugly anyway"

Our murder rate in 1950 was the same as it is today and it was about 4 times higher than the UK then too

You cannot ignore that the US is NOT the UK and that we have very different socioeconomic and cultural situations

Yeah, and the US had guns then too, and the UK didn't then too. So what do you think the chances are that guns are a significant problem in the US?

The problem is the US is not the UK, nor is it any of the other first world countries which ALL have a much lower murder rate than the US, mostly around the 1/4 mark. The "The US isn't the UK" doesn't work when you see that ALL FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES have a lower rate. The "It's the Americas" doesn't work either, seeing as Canada has a much lower rate too.

 

[Skull Pilot]

...of dying in the US

Clearly there's an issue here, and it's not Islamic terrorism.

The right say we can't take guns away from people, but they do want to prevent Muslims getting into the US. Why? Er... because one isn't them and the other is, probably.

Islamic terrorists are just one of several categories of criminals.

You are most likely to be killed by someone you know, and whether they use a gun or not is not really relevant since many murders are by poisonings not gunfire.

You are 3 times as likely to be killed in a transportation accident than with a gun.

Disease is the most likely thing to kill anyone however not guns.

The Odds of Dying

3/4 of all murders are with gun in the US. The US murder rate is 4 times higher than the UK murder rate and the usual rate for most first world countries. So, the non-gun murder rate in the US is about normal for a murder rate in the first world, and then this is times by three because of guns in society.

Yes disease will kill people, but up to this moment we're struggling to prevent people dying from certain diseases like cancer. But that doesn't mean we should ignore other problems simply because another problem exists, does it?

"Oh, no, my refrigerator is broken"
"Ignore it, you're ugly, you don't need a refrigerator when you're ugly anyway"

Our murder rate in 1950 was the same as it is today and it was about 4 times higher than the UK then too

You cannot ignore that the US is NOT the UK and that we have very different socioeconomic and cultural situations

Yeah, and the US had guns then too, and the UK didn't then too. So what do you think the chances are that guns are a significant problem in the US?

The problem is the US is not the UK, nor is it any of the other first world countries which ALL have a much lower murder rate than the US, mostly around the 1/4 mark. The "The US isn't the UK" doesn't work when you see that ALL FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES have a lower rate. The "It's the Americas" doesn't work either, seeing as Canada has a much lower rate too.

Really? There were no guns in the UK in the 50's?

Are you high?

The UK passed their very harsh gun laws in the late 60s and the murder rate climbed through the 90s only to fall back to the level it is today

Just like in the US

Americans are not British. We have very different personality traits and not too mention a very different society

 

[frigidweirdo]

...of dying in the US

Clearly there's an issue here, and it's not Islamic terrorism.

The right say we can't take guns away from people, but they do want to prevent Muslims getting into the US. Why? Er... because one isn't them and the other is, probably.

Most of those gun murders are criminals shooting other criminals. We do nothing to keep people who commit gun crimes off the streets

which is exactly why law abiding people need to be armed

Ah, so you label them as criminals, so they don't count? Put all the problems into one corner and ignore them. When they rise up into your face all you need to do is blame it on them being black, or something, isn't that what people do to ignore the problems?

Why would you want to live in a society where this is happening?

It's a fact that most people involved in shootings have long criminal histories
If we kept them off the streets rather than letting them out the murder rate would plummet but you don't want to keep people who commit crimes with guns in jail do you?

Yes, maybe it is. That doesn't mean it's the person who are getting killed are always "not so innocent". How many people who aren't involved in crime get caught up in this shit? Oh, we don't know, they don't do stats for that, but I'm betting it's higher than the UK murder rate for those innocents killed, possibly 4 times higher again.

You say "if we kept them off the streets", er... I can quash that argument easily.

List of U.S. states by incarceration and correctional supervision rate - Wikipedia

Louisiana has the highest incarceration rate in the US. So, your theory would suggest that Louisiana doesn't have much crime, or many murders.

Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center

Wait, Louisiana has the HIGHEST murder rate at 10.3 per 100,000 which is much higher than second placed Mississippi.
Mississippi in second place for murder and third for locking people up.

Er... what? So it's not locking people up that's solving anything, is it? They're breeding criminals down there. Unless you stop people being criminals in the first place, you just spend loads of money on the justice system, rather than on making people's lives better.

 

[frigidweirdo]

...of dying in the US

Clearly there's an issue here, and it's not Islamic terrorism.

The right say we can't take guns away from people, but they do want to prevent Muslims getting into the US. Why? Er... because one isn't them and the other is, probably.

Islamic terrorists are just one of several categories of criminals.

You are most likely to be killed by someone you know, and whether they use a gun or not is not really relevant since many murders are by poisonings not gunfire.

You are 3 times as likely to be killed in a transportation accident than with a gun.

Disease is the most likely thing to kill anyone however not guns.

The Odds of Dying

3/4 of all murders are with gun in the US. The US murder rate is 4 times higher than the UK murder rate and the usual rate for most first world countries. So, the non-gun murder rate in the US is about normal for a murder rate in the first world, and then this is times by three because of guns in society.

Yes disease will kill people, but up to this moment we're struggling to prevent people dying from certain diseases like cancer. But that doesn't mean we should ignore other problems simply because another problem exists, does it?

"Oh, no, my refrigerator is broken"
"Ignore it, you're ugly, you don't need a refrigerator when you're ugly anyway"

Our murder rate in 1950 was the same as it is today and it was about 4 times higher than the UK then too

You cannot ignore that the US is NOT the UK and that we have very different socioeconomic and cultural situations

Yeah, and the US had guns then too, and the UK didn't then too. So what do you think the chances are that guns are a significant problem in the US?

The problem is the US is not the UK, nor is it any of the other first world countries which ALL have a much lower murder rate than the US, mostly around the 1/4 mark. The "The US isn't the UK" doesn't work when you see that ALL FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES have a lower rate. The "It's the Americas" doesn't work either, seeing as Canada has a much lower rate too.

Really? There were no guns in the UK in the 50's?

Are you high?

The UK passed their very harsh gun laws in the late 60s and the murder rate climbed through the 90s only to fall back to the level it is today

Just like in the US

Americans are not British. We have very different personality traits and not too mention a very different society

Okay, the UK had guns back then, and it has guns now. The point being that they don't have many now and didn't have many then, certainly ordinary people did not go out and buy a gun either in the 1950s or today.

No, the UK is not the US. I've lived in both countries, and I've lived in Spain, Germany, Austria among others, and these countries are far more different to the UK than the US is. It does not in any way account for a murder rate that is 4 times higher. Canadians are far closer to the US than any other country in terms of personality, and yet... Canada has a murder rate of 1.4 compared to the US's rate of around 4 per 100,000 people. So.... so.... so what?

 

[Skull Pilot]

...of dying in the US

Clearly there's an issue here, and it's not Islamic terrorism.

The right say we can't take guns away from people, but they do want to prevent Muslims getting into the US. Why? Er... because one isn't them and the other is, probably.

Most of those gun murders are criminals shooting other criminals. We do nothing to keep people who commit gun crimes off the streets

which is exactly why law abiding people need to be armed

Ah, so you label them as criminals, so they don't count? Put all the problems into one corner and ignore them. When they rise up into your face all you need to do is blame it on them being black, or something, isn't that what people do to ignore the problems?

Why would you want to live in a society where this is happening?

It's a fact that most people involved in shootings have long criminal histories
If we kept them off the streets rather than letting them out the murder rate would plummet but you don't want to keep people who commit crimes with guns in jail do you?

Yes, maybe it is. That doesn't mean it's the person who are getting killed are always "not so innocent". How many people who aren't involved in crime get caught up in this shit? Oh, we don't know, they don't do stats for that, but I'm betting it's higher than the UK murder rate for those innocents killed, possibly 4 times higher again.

You say "if we kept them off the streets", er... I can quash that argument easily.

List of U.S. states by incarceration and correctional supervision rate - Wikipedia

Louisiana has the highest incarceration rate in the US. So, your theory would suggest that Louisiana doesn't have much crime, or many murders.

Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center

Wait, Louisiana has the HIGHEST murder rate at 10.3 per 100,000 which is much higher than second placed Mississippi.
Mississippi in second place for murder and third for locking people up.

Er... what? So it's not locking people up that's solving anything, is it? They're breeding criminals down there. Unless you stop people being criminals in the first place, you just spend loads of money on the justice system, rather than on making people's lives better.

The murder rate will never be zero
There will always be heat of the moment killings

But since something like 70% or more of all murders are committed by people with criminal histories it makes sense that keeping those criminals off the streets will reduce the murder rate

And tell me how will banning guns keep people from being criminals especially when you consider that the vast majority of gun owners will never commit a crime anyway?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Islamic terrorists are just one of several categories of criminals.

You are most likely to be killed by someone you know, and whether they use a gun or not is not really relevant since many murders are by poisonings not gunfire.

You are 3 times as likely to be killed in a transportation accident than with a gun.

Disease is the most likely thing to kill anyone however not guns.

The Odds of Dying

3/4 of all murders are with gun in the US. The US murder rate is 4 times higher than the UK murder rate and the usual rate for most first world countries. So, the non-gun murder rate in the US is about normal for a murder rate in the first world, and then this is times by three because of guns in society.

Yes disease will kill people, but up to this moment we're struggling to prevent people dying from certain diseases like cancer. But that doesn't mean we should ignore other problems simply because another problem exists, does it?

"Oh, no, my refrigerator is broken"
"Ignore it, you're ugly, you don't need a refrigerator when you're ugly anyway"

Our murder rate in 1950 was the same as it is today and it was about 4 times higher than the UK then too

You cannot ignore that the US is NOT the UK and that we have very different socioeconomic and cultural situations

Yeah, and the US had guns then too, and the UK didn't then too. So what do you think the chances are that guns are a significant problem in the US?

The problem is the US is not the UK, nor is it any of the other first world countries which ALL have a much lower murder rate than the US, mostly around the 1/4 mark. The "The US isn't the UK" doesn't work when you see that ALL FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES have a lower rate. The "It's the Americas" doesn't work either, seeing as Canada has a much lower rate too.

Really? There were no guns in the UK in the 50's?

Are you high?

The UK passed their very harsh gun laws in the late 60s and the murder rate climbed through the 90s only to fall back to the level it is today

Just like in the US

Americans are not British. We have very different personality traits and not too mention a very different society

Okay, the UK had guns back then, and it has guns now. The point being that they don't have many now and didn't have many then, certainly ordinary people did not go out and buy a gun either in the 1950s or today.

No, the UK is not the US. I've lived in both countries, and I've lived in Spain, Germany, Austria among others, and these countries are far more different to the UK than the US is. It does not in any way account for a murder rate that is 4 times higher. Canadians are far closer to the US than any other country in terms of personality, and yet... Canada has a murder rate of 1.4 compared to the US's rate of around 4 per 100,000 people. So.... so.... so what?

SO what? I really don't care that criminals kill each other to the extent they do here.

All I care about is that law abiding people have the right to defend themselves from the criminals that we don't lock up

 

[frigidweirdo]

...of dying in the US

Clearly there's an issue here, and it's not Islamic terrorism.

The right say we can't take guns away from people, but they do want to prevent Muslims getting into the US. Why? Er... because one isn't them and the other is, probably.

Most of those gun murders are criminals shooting other criminals. We do nothing to keep people who commit gun crimes off the streets

which is exactly why law abiding people need to be armed

Ah, so you label them as criminals, so they don't count? Put all the problems into one corner and ignore them. When they rise up into your face all you need to do is blame it on them being black, or something, isn't that what people do to ignore the problems?

Why would you want to live in a society where this is happening?

It's a fact that most people involved in shootings have long criminal histories
If we kept them off the streets rather than letting them out the murder rate would plummet but you don't want to keep people who commit crimes with guns in jail do you?

Yes, maybe it is. That doesn't mean it's the person who are getting killed are always "not so innocent". How many people who aren't involved in crime get caught up in this shit? Oh, we don't know, they don't do stats for that, but I'm betting it's higher than the UK murder rate for those innocents killed, possibly 4 times higher again.

You say "if we kept them off the streets", er... I can quash that argument easily.

List of U.S. states by incarceration and correctional supervision rate - Wikipedia

Louisiana has the highest incarceration rate in the US. So, your theory would suggest that Louisiana doesn't have much crime, or many murders.

Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center

Wait, Louisiana has the HIGHEST murder rate at 10.3 per 100,000 which is much higher than second placed Mississippi.
Mississippi in second place for murder and third for locking people up.

Er... what? So it's not locking people up that's solving anything, is it? They're breeding criminals down there. Unless you stop people being criminals in the first place, you just spend loads of money on the justice system, rather than on making people's lives better.

The murder rate will never be zero
There will always be heat of the moment killings

But since something like 70% or more of all murders are committed by people with criminal histories it makes sense that keeping those criminals off the streets will reduce the murder rate

And tell me how will banning guns keep people from being criminals especially when you consider that the vast majority of gun owners will never commit a crime anyway?

Who's talking about the murder rate being zero? Are we getting on to "logic" where if it can't be zero then forget about it, it doesn't matter if it's 1 or 1 million?

Yes, in every country there are "heat of the moment killings" and the US just happens to have 4 times more of them than most first world countries.

Are you making up statistics now? I don't see a source for your claim that 70% of murders are committed by people with criminal histories.

The funny thing is that it doesn't really matter. You say "it makes sense", yeah, sure, lots of things make sense to some people, and yet don't make sense at all to people who actually think about these things.

I basically showed you that states like Louisiana and Mississippi put people away and it doesn't stop the murder rate being sky high, does it? So, there's a fallacy in your argument, and yet even after being shown this, you come back with the same argument again. Come on.

I didn't say banning guns would stop people from being criminals, did I? If you want to argue with someone who makes this argument, go ahead, but don't argue with me over something I didn't actually say, hummmkay?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

3/4 of all murders are with gun in the US. The US murder rate is 4 times higher than the UK murder rate and the usual rate for most first world countries. So, the non-gun murder rate in the US is about normal for a murder rate in the first world, and then this is times by three because of guns in society.

Your post is one of those liberal "blame America" explanations....of about 10 murders [over 60 years] in the towns and neighborhoods I have lived in, none have been with a gun, and while I don't have the numbers, the murder rate in liberal cities in the U.S. is far higher than that of the U.K. and other first world countries while lower in more conservative places...liberal cities are what drive up the U.S. murder statistics, blaming America and Americans is just a way to cover your tracks.

 

[frigidweirdo]

3/4 of all murders are with gun in the US. The US murder rate is 4 times higher than the UK murder rate and the usual rate for most first world countries. So, the non-gun murder rate in the US is about normal for a murder rate in the first world, and then this is times by three because of guns in society.

Yes disease will kill people, but up to this moment we're struggling to prevent people dying from certain diseases like cancer. But that doesn't mean we should ignore other problems simply because another problem exists, does it?

"Oh, no, my refrigerator is broken"
"Ignore it, you're ugly, you don't need a refrigerator when you're ugly anyway"

Our murder rate in 1950 was the same as it is today and it was about 4 times higher than the UK then too

You cannot ignore that the US is NOT the UK and that we have very different socioeconomic and cultural situations

Yeah, and the US had guns then too, and the UK didn't then too. So what do you think the chances are that guns are a significant problem in the US?

The problem is the US is not the UK, nor is it any of the other first world countries which ALL have a much lower murder rate than the US, mostly around the 1/4 mark. The "The US isn't the UK" doesn't work when you see that ALL FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES have a lower rate. The "It's the Americas" doesn't work either, seeing as Canada has a much lower rate too.

Really? There were no guns in the UK in the 50's?

Are you high?

The UK passed their very harsh gun laws in the late 60s and the murder rate climbed through the 90s only to fall back to the level it is today

Just like in the US

Americans are not British. We have very different personality traits and not too mention a very different society

Okay, the UK had guns back then, and it has guns now. The point being that they don't have many now and didn't have many then, certainly ordinary people did not go out and buy a gun either in the 1950s or today.

No, the UK is not the US. I've lived in both countries, and I've lived in Spain, Germany, Austria among others, and these countries are far more different to the UK than the US is. It does not in any way account for a murder rate that is 4 times higher. Canadians are far closer to the US than any other country in terms of personality, and yet... Canada has a murder rate of 1.4 compared to the US's rate of around 4 per 100,000 people. So.... so.... so what?

SO what? I really don't care that criminals kill each other to the extent they do here.

All I care about is that law abiding people have the right to defend themselves from the criminals that we don't lock up

But British people have the right to defend themselves too. Just not necessarily with a gun. But then hey, why do they need a gun? They're less likely to be killed anyway.

The problem is you've gone through all the arguments, been found wanting, then you come back with the simplistic "I want a gun", but you don't want to see the damage that guns have on your society, and that actually having a gun makes things WORSE than if you couldn't get a gun.

 

[frigidweirdo]

3/4 of all murders are with gun in the US. The US murder rate is 4 times higher than the UK murder rate and the usual rate for most first world countries. So, the non-gun murder rate in the US is about normal for a murder rate in the first world, and then this is times by three because of guns in society.

Your post is one of those liberal "blame America" explanations....of about 10 murders [over 60 years] in the towns and neighborhoods I have lived in, none have been with a gun, and while I don't have the numbers, the murder rate in liberal cities in the U.S. is far higher than that of the U.K. and other first world countries while lower in more conservative places...liberal cities are what drive up the U.S. murder statistics, blaming America and Americans is just a way to cover their tracks.

Ah... the "let's blame it on liberals" argument, along with the "it doesn't happen where I am, so it doesn't happen anywhere" argument.

You don't have the numbers? Right, so you expect me to believe you, do you? Oh come off it. This post is the sort of crap I have to deal with on a daily basis. Statistics that are made up, just blame liberals for everything, and pretend that you've won the argument, somehow.....

 

[owebo]

Once Trump cleans up Chicago, those numbers will go down.....

 

[Skull Pilot]

Most of those gun murders are criminals shooting other criminals. We do nothing to keep people who commit gun crimes off the streets

which is exactly why law abiding people need to be armed

Ah, so you label them as criminals, so they don't count? Put all the problems into one corner and ignore them. When they rise up into your face all you need to do is blame it on them being black, or something, isn't that what people do to ignore the problems?

Why would you want to live in a society where this is happening?

It's a fact that most people involved in shootings have long criminal histories
If we kept them off the streets rather than letting them out the murder rate would plummet but you don't want to keep people who commit crimes with guns in jail do you?

Yes, maybe it is. That doesn't mean it's the person who are getting killed are always "not so innocent". How many people who aren't involved in crime get caught up in this shit? Oh, we don't know, they don't do stats for that, but I'm betting it's higher than the UK murder rate for those innocents killed, possibly 4 times higher again.

You say "if we kept them off the streets", er... I can quash that argument easily.

List of U.S. states by incarceration and correctional supervision rate - Wikipedia

Louisiana has the highest incarceration rate in the US. So, your theory would suggest that Louisiana doesn't have much crime, or many murders.

Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center

Wait, Louisiana has the HIGHEST murder rate at 10.3 per 100,000 which is much higher than second placed Mississippi.
Mississippi in second place for murder and third for locking people up.

Er... what? So it's not locking people up that's solving anything, is it? They're breeding criminals down there. Unless you stop people being criminals in the first place, you just spend loads of money on the justice system, rather than on making people's lives better.

The murder rate will never be zero
There will always be heat of the moment killings

But since something like 70% or more of all murders are committed by people with criminal histories it makes sense that keeping those criminals off the streets will reduce the murder rate

And tell me how will banning guns keep people from being criminals especially when you consider that the vast majority of gun owners will never commit a crime anyway?

Who's talking about the murder rate being zero? Are we getting on to "logic" where if it can't be zero then forget about it, it doesn't matter if it's 1 or 1 million?

Yes, in every country there are "heat of the moment killings" and the US just happens to have 4 times more of them than most first world countries.

Are you making up statistics now? I don't see a source for your claim that 70% of murders are committed by people with criminal histories.

The funny thing is that it doesn't really matter. You say "it makes sense", yeah, sure, lots of things make sense to some people, and yet don't make sense at all to people who actually think about these things.

I basically showed you that states like Louisiana and Mississippi put people away and it doesn't stop the murder rate being sky high, does it? So, there's a fallacy in your argument, and yet even after being shown this, you come back with the same argument again. Come on.

I didn't say banning guns would stop people from being criminals, did I? If you want to argue with someone who makes this argument, go ahead, but don't argue with me over something I didn't actually say, hummmkay?

all killings are not heat of the moment killings

Most murder victims in big cities have criminal record

The report concludes that “of the 2011 homicide victims, 77 percent (66) had a least one prior arrest and of the known 2011 homicide suspects 90 percent (74) had at least one prior arrest.”
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and all you do is concentrate on the number of guns and the murder rate so don't tell me you don't think that removing guns from society will stop people from killing