You simpky prove my point. People have no clue.And you're a brainwashed idiot.
And the tugboat was the most glorious BB ever. Was 300 yds from me, wrecked
after breaking tow in a gale.- 2 years old I was, in Cornwall, and before you go there, still American.
Ah...Tuggy, why do I have the feeling that you're sulking about the education that I gave you as far as Hitler, FDR and Mussolini all being socialists...
And a wise move it was in not responding to the post.
Now, as far as the tugboat,...you seem to think that you should be represented by a battleship...when your posts are hardly even a canoe. See, I upgraded you to a tugboat: I could have called you 'leaky!'
"...most popular program ever when implemented,..."
I'm going to take the opposite position...the electorate will be proven correct, ObamaCare will ruin the economy, cost lives, and stultify any advances in American healthcare...the best in the world currently.
Hint: you do suppose that mega-villain Pelosi-galore and her puppet put off implementation until after his supposed re-election?
Here's more homework for you:
Why Obamacare is Wrong for America, Turner, Capreta, Miller and Moffit.
Excellent
book.....oops! did I use a four-letter word?
BTW, leaky, you can stop announcing at the drive-through that your order is to go.
You're a moron. If you think Hitler was a socialist, Beckbot- I suggest you read a real history book.
Myth: Hitler was a leftist.
Fact: Nearly all of Hitler's beliefs placed him on the far right.
Summary
Many conservatives accuse Hitler of being a leftist, on the grounds that his party was named "National Socialist." But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production. In Nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state. True socialism does not advocate such economic dictatorship -- it can only be democratic. Hitler's other political beliefs place him almost always on the far right. He advocated racism over racial tolerance, eugenics over freedom of reproduction, merit over equality, competition over cooperation, power politics and militarism over pacifism, dictatorship over democracy, capitalism over Marxism, realism over idealism, nationalism over internationalism, exclusiveness over inclusiveness, common sense over theory or science, pragmatism over principle, and even held friendly relations with the Church, even though he was an atheist.
To most people, Hitler's beliefs belong to the extreme far right. For example, most conservatives believe in patriotism and a strong military; carry these beliefs far enough, and you arrive at Hitler's warring nationalism. This association has long been something of an embarrassment to the far right. To deflect such criticism, conservatives have recently launched a counter-attack, claiming that Hitler was a socialist, and therefore belongs to the political left, not the right.
The primary basis for this claim is that Hitler was a National Socialist. The word "National" evokes the state, and the word "Socialist" openly identifies itself as such.
However, there is no academic controversy over the status of this term: it was a misnomer.
1. Myth: Hitler was a leftist
To deflect such criticism, conservatives have recently launched a counter-attack
, claiming that Hitler was a socialist, and therefore belongs to the ...
Myth: Hitler was a leftist - Cached - Similar
Quote: Originally Posted by francoHFW
"Liberal Fascism" is drivel for morons- Right up your alley. Tell us how Hitler was a socialist LOL
1. First, let me congratulate you for revealing your fear of standing up alone, but, rather, hiding behind the oh-so-Liberal "us," as in "Tell us...."
It's 'Tell me"...unless you have a tapeworm.
Hoping for your recovery.
2. And, Tugboat, I'm so pleased that you have put on your 'big boy pants,' and requested the remediation that you so clearly require: "Tell us how Hitler was a socialist."
Now, pay attention...and there may be a short quiz at the conclusion.
The premise is that the economic policies of FDR, Hitler, and Mussolini were, for the most part, consubstantial.
1. The propaganda of the New Deal (malefactors of great wealth) to the contrary, FDR imply endeavored to re-create the corporatism of the last war. The New Dealers invited one industry after another to write the codes under which they would be regulated. Even more aggressive, the National Recovery Administration forced industries to fix prices and in other ways to collude with one another: the NRA approved 557 basic and 189 supplementary codes, covering almost 95% of all industrial workers.
a. The intention was for big business to get bigger, and the little guy to be squeezed out: for example, the owners of the big chain movie houses wrote the codes that almost ran the independents out of business (even though 13,571 of the 18,321 movie theatres were independently owned). This in the name of efficiency and progress.
2. In an even more eerie echo of Italian Fascist corporatist thought, corporations would replace geographic jurisdictions as conduits of government support for economic and human development. Social services- health care, day care, education, and so forth- would all be provided by your employer.
Beginning to see the socialism of the three administrations?
Good boy!
3. Another early policy given high priority by the Nazi government was the organizing of all German businesses into cartels. The argument was thatin contrast to the disorderliness and egoism of free market capitalismcentralization and state control would increase efficiency and a sense of German unity. In July of 1933, membership in a cartel became compulsory for businesses, and by early 1934 the cartel structure was re-organized and placed firmly under the direction of the German government. Stephen Hicks, Ph.D. » Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz
b. New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolinis corporatism closely. From Fortune magazine: The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.(July 1934)
c. In Germany, workers would become de factor citizens of their companies, in a relationship similar to Krupps General Regulations. The Krupps feared the Social Democrats and to keep them out of their facilities, they used repression and a compensation package that many German workers found quite acceptable. If you worked for Krupp, your children were born in a Krupp hospital, educated in a Krupp school, played on a Krupp playground, etc. You shopped in a Krupp store. It was cradle-to-grave security of sorts. Women advertising for husbands would specify employees of Krupp.
Chapter Four: notes
4. There are, of course, significant differences between fascism and Progressivism, but these are mainly attributable to the cultural differences between Europe and America- and between national cultures in general. The ends remain the same.
a. The Germans have a history of embracing authoritarian rule. As the German philosopher Hegel said, The state says
you must obey
. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest (Ralf Dahrendorf, "Society and Democracy in Germany").
5. The National Socialists hailed these relief measures that FDR demanded, and got, in ways you will recognize:
a. May 11, 1933, the Nazi newspaper Volkischer Beobachter, (Peoples Observer): Roosevelts Dictatorial Recovery Measures.
b. And on January 17, 1934, We, too, as German National Socialists are looking toward America
and Roosevelts adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies comparable to Hitlers own dictatorial Fuhrerprinzip.
c. And [Roosevelt], too demands that collective good be put before individual self-interest. Many passages in his [Roosevelt's] book Looking Forward could have been written by a National Socialist
.one can assume that he feels considerable affinity with the National Socialist philosophy.
d. The paper also refers to
the fictional appearance of democracy.
So, unless you are prepared to argue that FDR was not a socialist, it would be difficult to argue that his economic 'partner' in Germany was not also socialist.
Now, your homework, Tugboat, is to get and study Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism," and "Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939," by Wolfgang Schivelbusch.
Better get to work!
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