The issue came up in another thread. I thought it deserved it's own.
The result of Chaos and Anarchy.
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The issue came up in another thread. I thought it deserved it's own.
The issue came up in another thread. I thought it deserved it's own.
Libertarians support the Constitution and individual liberty as a matter of PRINCIPLE. We must defend LIBERTY even if doing so makes our candidate unelectable.
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The difference between Libertarians and conservatives?
(ignoring the fact that Libertarians ARE conservative)
Libertarians love liberty and the Constitution, want fiscal responsibility, and want the government out of our lives.
Republicans only give lip service to those things.
The issue came up in another thread. I thought it deserved it's own.
The result of Chaos and Anarchy.Sticking your head in the sand in the end will result in the same Totalitarianism, our Opponents are heading for. Individual Liberty feeds Freedom. Authority, uncontrolled feeds absolutism, inevitably. The snowball rolling down hill syndrome must be addressed, not ignored.
If we are having difficulty understanding the real meaning of these labels?
Perhaps the problem is that we feel we need to LABEL people.
Why do we do this?
Because its easier to label a person than it is to listen to his POV.
We see this kind of stupidty playing out daily on this board.
The issue came up in another thread. I thought it deserved it's own.
The result of Chaos and Anarchy.Sticking your head in the sand in the end will result in the same Totalitarianism, our Opponents are heading for. Individual Liberty feeds Freedom. Authority, uncontrolled feeds absolutism, inevitably. The snowball rolling down hill syndrome must be addressed, not ignored.
I see, so in order to "prevent" anarchy and protecting freedom the conservatives believe in creating a gargantuan tyrannical police state which ignores individual rights .
That my friend is the definition of Orwellian doubletalk.
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Conservatives believe in the rule of law, with that law being based on the Constitution.
Libertarians think that the answer to any problem is there should be no law. Hence Ron Paul's fantasy world on how things should work.
It's as simple as that.
Ron Paul absolutely does not advocate a lawless society, however. He is a strong advocate to return the Central government to its Constitutional rooots--making him a political conservative. But as most libertarians do, he would tolerate a far more permissive society at more local levels than most Americans would find attractive or acceptable in their pursuit of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
The result of Chaos and Anarchy.Sticking your head in the sand in the end will result in the same Totalitarianism, our Opponents are heading for. Individual Liberty feeds Freedom. Authority, uncontrolled feeds absolutism, inevitably. The snowball rolling down hill syndrome must be addressed, not ignored.
I see, so in order to "prevent" anarchy and protecting freedom the conservatives believe in creating a gargantuan tyrannical police state which ignores individual rights .
That my friend is the definition of Orwellian doubletalk.
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No. Not me. I'm thinking Assertive, not Aggressive. We distinguish between Right and Wrong, and encourage Right Action. We don't ignore Threat. Ignoring Problems does little to rectify and maintain balance, be it World Affairs or Drug Addiction, we can do more than stand by.
Hans-Hermann Hoppe is an anarcho-libertarian, and he refers to what he believes in as a "private law society." They believe in laws, they just don't believe in the state as the enforcer of those laws. And they do believe in inalienable natural rights.
Then he technically isn't an anarchist is he.
Merriam Webster:
Definition of ANARCHY
1
a : absence of government
b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority
c : a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government
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a : absence or denial of any authority or established order.
If one believes in law and enforcement of law, then there must be an authority to do the enforcing. So there is social contract and a government formed even if they don't call it that.
Firstly, I agree with the above, but would like to provide some refinement to the definition of anarchy, albeit in a purist form and is hard to find. And, when found, it probably doesn't look a lot like the definition above.
The only anarchy that is not chaos, as described above, is one where everyone a part of it knows everything there is to know about needs, and does not place wants over them.
As far as the various political parties, under an unconstitutional government, they are used against us and the constitution by dividing us. A large number of the framers felt there should be no political parties for this reason.
Libertarians are the half wits in the Conservative fold.
I found an online quiz that said I was a libertarian so I went and found this other quiz and took it and it said I am a Classical Liberal. I am have come to my beliefs organically and so I am not as educated in the intricacies of the different ideologies as some of you but I was inspired to go out and read about the different types of libertarianism because of this thread. I do agree that I am a classical liberal based on the wiki definition I read.
I have considered myself conservative because of a strong belief in the value of the constitution as it was written. I believe there has been a subtle shift that over time has brought us away from the original intent. I think modern conservatives tend to be blind to the amount of changes that have been made or they agree with some of them and wish to preserve the status quo with only reverse the other guys agenda. This is one place where I break with them. Another is the use of the military in the geopolitical arena.
I have been struggling with placing a label on myself because I want to be more involved but I am not sure I am willing to commit to any party in particular because I can't see myself adopting a platform that I don't agree with 100%. From what I see of political parties it becomes almost a religion complete with shunning. I have no wish to be involved with that type of group.
edit: Here is the link for the quiz if anyone is interested....
What Kind of Libertarian Are You?
I like how all these Ronulans and neo-cons assert "taxation is theft" but hardly a man-jack of them have the balls to NOT pay them.
Sure they can give you a long dissertation of why taxation is theft, then they let themselves be "stolen" from (their words) with nary a peep of dissent.
Taxation is not theft, you asshats.
It's the price of admission to our society. Don't want to pay it? Move to Somalia. No taxes there.
Libertarians are just republicans who want to smoke dope and be able to legally visit prostitutes.
I like how all these Ronulans and neo-cons assert "taxation is theft" but hardly a man-jack of them have the balls to NOT pay them.
Sure they can give you a long dissertation of why taxation is theft, then they let themselves be "stolen" from (their words) with nary a peep of dissent.
Taxation is not theft, you asshats.
It's the price of admission to our society. Don't want to pay it? Move to Somalia. No taxes there.
Libertarians are just republicans who want to smoke dope and be able to legally visit prostitutes.
If someone puts a gun to your head and says to give them all your money would you have the balls to not pay them, or would you turn over your wallet?
conservatives don't want federal government to be a nanny state, but have no issue when a state becomes one. See abortion, drugs, gay marriage.
The issue came up in another thread. I thought it deserved it's own.