What America’s Great Unwinding Would Mean for the World.

[Mindful]

The conundrum facing America’s allies is how to cope with a great imperial power in decline that is still a great imperial power.

peculiar cognitive dissonance seems to have taken hold in the world. The Western response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine—led and propped up by the United States—has reminded the world that the international order is, if anything, more dependent on American military, economic, and financial might now than only a few years ago. Yet everywhere you turn, there is a sense that the U.S. is in some form of terminal decline; too divided, incoherent, violent, and dysfunctional to sustain its Pax Americana. Moscow and Beijing seem to think that the great American unwinding has already begun, while in Europe, officials worry about a sudden American collapse. “Do we talk about it?” Michel Duclos, a former French ambassador to Syria who remains well connected within Europe’s diplomatic network, told me, somewhat indignantly, after I asked whether an American implosion was ever discussed at the highest levels of government. “We never stop talking about it.”

What America’s Great Unwinding Would Mean for the World

The conundrum facing America’s allies is how to cope with a great imperial power in decline that is still a great imperial power.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Moonglow]

I am sure they have practice from when Great Britain was not so great.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The world will be fine without the US as its police force and judicial system.

And the US will be better off in the long run once we stop being so.

 

[gipper]

There is a danger. A dying empire often lashes out in desperation. We can only hope it dies much like the USSR did.

 

[Mindful]

I am sure they have practice from when Great Britain was not so great.

Yes indeed.

Written in the style of a prayer, “Recessional” pleads with the Almighty—the “God of our fathers, known of old”—not to abandon Britain. “Be with us yet,” Kipling urges the “Lord of our far-flung battle-line, beneath whose awful Hand we hold dominion over palm and pine.” Kipling then adds his famous line: “Lest we forget—lest we forget!” The prayer is a warning to those celebrating Britain’s imperial supremacy that it could be taken away at any moment: Lest we forget! “Far-called; our navies melt away,” Kipling cautions. “On dune and headland sinks the fire: / Lo, all our pomp of yesterday is one with Nineveh and Tyre!”​

Read: America’s necessary myth for the world

At the height of Britain’s global power, he warned that such things are fleeting and precarious. The poem caused a sensation, cementing Kipling’s place as the poet of empire, but also the prophet of its decline. Some 125 years later, the world is obsessing about the collapse of the new imperium.​

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You obviously haven’t read the article, nor have you come here to ‘discuss’ anything.

 

[Moonglow]

Yes indeed.

Written in the style of a prayer, “Recessional” pleads with the Almighty—the “God of our fathers, known of old”—not to abandon Britain. “Be with us yet,” Kipling urges the “Lord of our far-flung battle-line, beneath whose awful Hand we hold dominion over palm and pine.” Kipling then adds his famous line: “Lest we forget—lest we forget!” The prayer is a warning to those celebrating Britain’s imperial supremacy that it could be taken away at any moment: Lest we forget! “Far-called; our navies melt away,” Kipling cautions. “On dune and headland sinks the fire: / Lo, all our pomp of yesterday is one with Nineveh and Tyre!”​

Read: America’s necessary myth for the world

At the height of Britain’s global power, he warned that such things are fleeting and precarious. The poem caused a sensation, cementing Kipling’s place as the poet of empire, but also the prophet of its decline. Some 125 years later, the world is obsessing about the collapse of the new imperium.​

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You obviously haven’t read the article, nor have you come here to ‘discuss’ anything.

I am sure that the French wish they once had a great superpower status to lose.

 

[kyzr]

There is a danger. A dying empire often lashes out in desperation. We can only hope it dies much like the USSR did.

Dumbos. The US will be on or near the top of the world order for the foreseeable future. As long as we fix the Budget Deficit.
That Wall Street chose to build up China to "superpower" status is their stupidity.
If we don't fix the Budget Deficit, the US dollar falls.
If the US dollar falls, the US economy falls, and then the Federal Budget falls, and then we're like Greece was, owing much more than we could ever pay back.
$32,000,000,000,000 and rising is a national disaster.

 

[Mindful]

I am sure that the French wish they once had a great superpower status to lose.

They own you, don’t they?

 

[Moonglow]

They own you, don’t they?

I am afraid my frog-gobbling days are long gone.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Dumbos. The US will be on or near the top of the world order for the foreseeable future. As long as we fix the Budget Deficit.

How are we going to do that when 90% of the country will not vote for anyone willing to do so?

 

[Mindful]

I am afraid my frog-gobbling days are long gone.

Never mind.

 

[Soupnazi630]

The conundrum facing America’s allies is how to cope with a great imperial power in decline that is still a great imperial power.

peculiar cognitive dissonance seems to have taken hold in the world. The Western response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine—led and propped up by the United States—has reminded the world that the international order is, if anything, more dependent on American military, economic, and financial might now than only a few years ago. Yet everywhere you turn, there is a sense that the U.S. is in some form of terminal decline; too divided, incoherent, violent, and dysfunctional to sustain its Pax Americana. Moscow and Beijing seem to think that the great American unwinding has already begun, while in Europe, officials worry about a sudden American collapse. “Do we talk about it?” Michel Duclos, a former French ambassador to Syria who remains well connected within Europe’s diplomatic network, told me, somewhat indignantly, after I asked whether an American implosion was ever discussed at the highest levels of government. “We never stop talking about it.”

What America’s Great Unwinding Would Mean for the World

The conundrum facing America’s allies is how to cope with a great imperial power in decline that is still a great imperial power.

www.theatlantic.com

It is a huge miscalculation to call the US " in decline " it seems that way to maany until they look at history more closely. The US is actually still in it's ascendency. If compared to Rome we have not even hit the time of Augustus

The US still has a massive combinationof advantages over every nation all of whom have much bigger problems holding them back than the US. Even chine which seems to be on the rise is plagued with issue which hold it back and cause it to slide back and fail periodically.


People have been predicting this " decline since the seventies or even before only to be embarrassed. You can actually count on another century of US dominance.

 

[Moonglow]

Anyone who studies history already knows the outcome, it is no surprise since it includes humans....

 

[Mindful]

It is a huge miscalculation to call the US " in decline " it seems that way to maany until they look at history more closely. The US is actually still in it's ascendency. If compared to Rome we have not even hit the time of Augustus

The US still has a massive combinationof advantages over every nation all of whom have much bigger problems holding them back than the US. Even chine which seems to be on the rise is plagued with issue which hold it back and cause it to slide back and fail periodically.


People have been predicting this " decline since the seventies or even before only to be embarrassed. You can actually count on another century of US dominance.

I for one would hate it to be a failed experiment.

 

[Moonglow]

The next time they need us to save their bacon we might not show up.

 

[Moonglow]

I for one would hate it to be a failed experiment.

Hunny, we are all a failed experiment of God's continuous creations.

 

[Mindful]

The next time they need us to save their bacon we might not show up.

The French saved yours, against their favourite enemy - the British. They never forgave them for kicking William the Conquerer out. Not to forget, the Europeans had a penchant for fighting their wars on foreign soil. The New World not being exempt from this.

 

[Mindful]

Hunny, we are all a failed experiment of God's continuous creations.

What’s G-d got to do with this?

 

[Moonglow]

The French saved yours, against their favourite enemy - the British. They never forgave them for kicking William the Conquerer out. Not to forget, the Europeans had a penchant for fighting their wars on foreign soil. The New World not being exempt from this.

Yeah, WWI was fought in China.

 

[Moonglow]

What’s G-d got to do with this?

He paid me to mention him.