What A Hit

[toobfreak]

Sorry, Bubba, but the point of the game is competition, not worrying about someone trying to kill you.

And competition involves full contact. People are not playing for pretzels out there. If you don't want to risk a hard hit, I suggest QBs getting down sooner.

Philly DB Cooper DeJean shows the proper way to make a tackle in the open field.

Completely different set of circumstances and situation that would have been impossible with the Lawrence tackle. In this case, the only choice the defender would have had other than not hitting him in the shoulder as he did was to simply not hit him at all and let the QB get the down unchallenged.

Al-Jaaar is a cheap-shot artist.

Maybe he is, I don't know the guy, but if that is the case, it really makes me wonder all the more why Lawrence challenged the guy not sliding until they were just a few feet apart!

If he doesn't learn to play by the rules, he doesn't need to be playing and risking people's lives.

He was playing by the rules. The QB was a runner and he stopped him like any other running back.
Lawrence is the one who took the risk by not sliding until he had the 1st down even if it meant running right up to the movement of contact.
Lawrence could have taken his head right off.
I hope Lawrence has learned his lesson.

BTW, my photos are not fake. They show it was a clean hit to the shoulder pad. Prove me wrong.

 

[mudwhistle]

And competition involves full contact. People are not playing for pretzels out there. If you don't want to risk a hard hit, I suggest QBs getting down sooner.


Completely different set of circumstances and situation that would have been impossible with the Lawrence tackle. In this case, the only choice the defender would have had other than not hitting him in the shoulder as he did was to simply not hit him at all and let the QB get the down unchallenged.


Maybe he is, I don't know the guy, but if that is the case, it really makes me wonder all the more why Lawrence challenged the guy not sliding until they were just a few feet apart!


He was playing by the rules. The QB was a runner and he stopped him like any other running back.
Lawrence is the one who took the risk by not sliding until he had the 1st down even if it meant running right up to the movement of contact.
Lawrence could have taken his head right off.
I hope Lawrence has learned his lesson.

BTW, my photos are not fake. They show it was a clean hit to the shoulder pad. Prove me wrong.

Sorry, but a couch potato doesn't know shit about playing in the NFL. None of them think permanent injuries are worth the big paycheck. None of them wants to be fucked up by dirty play.

I want to see the best players out there playing, not a bunch of second and third-stringers after the starter was put on IR.

 

[task0778]

That looked to me like deliberate forearm to the QB's head. No effort was made to avoid a head injury and IMHO the ejection was justified.

 

[toobfreak]

Sorry, but a couch potato doesn't know shit about playing in the NFL.

Are you a pro ball player? I'm a big guy, played a lot of ball, and when I was in college, a lot of people tried to get me into the game.

I want to see the best players out there playing

So do I. And the best player I saw on the field in that game was that defender who laid a licking on that stupid, selfish noob QB.

Look, MW, let me diagram what really happened:

In the top line, this is how you approach stopping a runner. The runner is coming straight at you from the right and you are coming from the left and are going to try your best to apply as blunt a force as you can to stopping forward progress of the ball. That is kind of what happened with your video of Derek Henry getting straight tackled.

Now, in the bottom line is what I think happened here. The defender was coming in from the left, but just as he initiated a launch to stop the runner, Lawrence at the same time started dropping down sliding trying to slide flattening out going under him. The defender adjusted best he could but Lawrence dropped farther than he expected or thought he would or could adjust for and when they collided, the defenders two fists hit the shoulder pad with his left forearm across the upper chest and the right forearm down so that the elbow was at the stomach.

Intentionally or not, the left forearm or elbow might have been high enough that it caught part of Lawrence's chin or head and turned it. You call that dirty, I call that good solid defensive football that was the way the game has always been played until just a few years ago when lawyers got together and decided that their star QBs drew in too much revenue to risk getting hurt in a sport built around CONTACT, so wrote special rules making them HANDS OFF now even if it means letting their team BEAT YOU because if you lay a hit that is fine for anyone else on a QB now, it is labeled a dirty hit and you are ejected.

Personally, I adhere to the rule that if you are a team's MVP yet you choose to run the ball down the field and delay sliding and risk taking a hard hit hoping to be the game hero, that is the risk you take. Shit happens.

I would have given the Texan's defender guy a 15 yard penalty on the ASSUMPTION that it was probably unnecessary roughness for pure optics sake as a pro athlete SHOULD be able to control his body enough to AVOID totally clocking a QB, then told the two teams to sit down, STFU, and go back to playing ball. NO OTHER PENALTIES.

Football is a rough man's sport. If you can't take it, get off the fucking field and go sell flowers.

 

[toobfreak]

That looked to me like deliberate forearm to the QB's head. No effort was made to avoid a head injury and IMHO the ejection was justified.

But the pictures above clearly show he hit the guy in the chest/shoulders.
I'll say it again, the QB didn't slide until he knew he had the first down, betting on the assumption that he was hands off just because he was a QB.

 

[mudwhistle]

Are you a pro ball player? I'm a big guy, played a lot of ball, and when I was in college, a lot of people tried to get me into the game.


So do I. And the best player I saw on the field in that game was that defender who laid a licking on that stupid, selfish noob QB.

Look, MW, let me diagram what really happened:


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In the top line, this is how you approach stopping a runner. The runner is coming straight at you from the right and you are coming from the left and are going to try your best to apply as blunt a force as you can to stopping forward progress of the ball. That is kind of what happened with your video of Derek Henry getting straight tackled.

Now, in the bottom line is what I think happened here. The defender was coming in from the left, but just as he initiated a launch to stop the runner, Lawrence at the same time started dropping down sliding trying to slide flattening out going under him. The defender adjusted best he could but Lawrence dropped farther than he expected or thought he would or could adjust for and when they collided, the defenders two fists hit the shoulder pad with his left forearm across the upper chest and the right forearm down so that the elbow was at the stomach.

Intentionally or not, the left forearm or elbow might have been high enough that it caught part of Lawrence's chin or head and turned it. You call that dirty, I call that good solid defensive football that was the way the game has always been played until just a few years ago when lawyers got together and decided that their star QBs drew in too much revenue to risk getting hurt in a sport built around CONTACT, so wrote special rules making them HANDS OFF now even if it means letting their team BEAT YOU because if you lay a hit that is fine for anyone else on a QB now, it is labeled a dirty hit and you are ejected.

Personally, I adhere to the rule that if you are a team's MVP yet you choose to run the ball down the field and delay sliding and risk taking a hard hit hoping to be the game hero, that is the risk you take. Shit happens.

I would have given the Texan's defender guy a 15 yard penalty on the ASSUMPTION that it was probably unnecessary roughness for pure optics sake as a pro athlete SHOULD be able to control his body enough to AVOID totally clocking a QB, then told the two teams to sit down, STFU, and go back to playing ball. NO OTHER PENALTIES.

Football is a rough man's sport. If you can't take it, get off the fucking field and go sell flowers.

Are you a pro ball player? I'm a big guy, played a lot of ball, and when I was in college, a lot of people tried to get me into the game.


So do I. And the best player I saw on the field in that game was that defender who laid a licking on that stupid, selfish noob QB.

Look, MW, let me diagram what really happened:


View attachment 1049390

In the top line, this is how you approach stopping a runner. The runner is coming straight at you from the right and you are coming from the left and are going to try your best to apply as blunt a force as you can to stopping forward progress of the ball. That is kind of what happened with your video of Derek Henry getting straight tackled.

Now, in the bottom line is what I think happened here. The defender was coming in from the left, but just as he initiated a launch to stop the runner, Lawrence at the same time started dropping down sliding trying to slide flattening out going under him. The defender adjusted best he could but Lawrence dropped farther than he expected or thought he would or could adjust for and when they collided, the defenders two fists hit the shoulder pad with his left forearm across the upper chest and the right forearm down so that the elbow was at the stomach.

Intentionally or not, the left forearm or elbow might have been high enough that it caught part of Lawrence's chin or head and turned it. You call that dirty, I call that good solid defensive football that was the way the game has always been played until just a few years ago when lawyers got together and decided that their star QBs drew in too much revenue to risk getting hurt in a sport built around CONTACT, so wrote special rules making them HANDS OFF now even if it means letting their team BEAT YOU because if you lay a hit that is fine for anyone else on a QB now, it is labeled a dirty hit and you are ejected.

Personally, I adhere to the rule that if you are a team's MVP yet you choose to run the ball down the field and delay sliding and risk taking a hard hit hoping to be the game hero, that is the risk you take. Shit happens.

I would have given the Texan's defender guy a 15 yard penalty on the ASSUMPTION that it was probably unnecessary roughness for pure optics sake as a pro athlete SHOULD be able to control his body enough to AVOID totally clocking a QB, then told the two teams to sit down, STFU, and go back to playing ball. NO OTHER PENALTIES.

Football is a rough man's sport. If you can't take it, get off the fucking field and go sell flowers.

Fuck you Buddy.

He hit him in the Fucking Chin.

Yes football is a rough sport. But it's not worth ending up in a wheelchair for the rest of your life?

Listen you POS, I've jumped out of just about every bird you can imagine in service of my country.

I've been in firefights.

I've risked my life.......and playing a GD game isn't worth risking your life because some cocksucker is a dirty bastard.

So fuck off.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Coulda done without the elbow to the facemask......

Probably going to get a big fine for this one.

Should at minimum be a year suspension

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

He aimed for the chest, when they collided, hit in the clavicle area and unavoidably slid up into the face mask. I would say that was pretty good aiming considering the combined speed and brevity of the impact.



If Thea had never hit the Earth we'd have no moon neither. The QB was a RB running the ball and the defender tried to do his job to the best of his abilities. Had the NFL not imposed such "protective rules" on players, the QB would not have taken the risk. The NFL caused the penalty not the player. This is all "legal circus" by the NFL to appease a bunch of high-paid lawyers striving to make the sport safer to increase game revenue.

He was giving himself up. Why hit him at all?

 

[westwall]

Illegal hit? Run a stopwatch and figure out how many hundredths of a second between beginning of slide to contact. This stuff is not happening at the slo-mo speed of instant replay.

T Lawrence will not be playing now because the NFL protects his ass so much he thought he was untouchable so went father and slid later than he should have.

I see QBs routinely get an extra 5 yards or more than any other runner would because the defenders don't know how to touch them without getting penalized now.

Protecting QBs the way the NFL does now just makes it harder to defend and allows QBs to put themselves deeper into risky positions banking on being "protected."

Shit happens in pro ball and if you don't want to get taken out, just don't take such deep risks. When the QB runs with the ball, he is now a RUNNING BACK and should be treated as such.

I will disagree. The elbow was aimed right where it hit.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Illegal hit? Run a stopwatch and figure out how many hundredths of a second between beginning of slide to contact. This stuff is not happening at the slo-mo speed of instant replay.

T Lawrence will not be playing now because the NFL protects his ass so much he thought he was untouchable so went father and slid later than he should have.

I see QBs routinely get an extra 5 yards or more than any other runner would because the defenders don't know how to touch them without getting penalized now.

Protecting QBs the way the NFL does now just makes it harder to defend and allows QBs to put themselves deeper into risky positions banking on being "protected."

Shit happens in pro ball and if you don't want to get taken out, just don't take such deep risks. When the QB runs with the ball, he is now a RUNNING BACK and should be treated as such.

Why hit him at all? He was clearly sliding.

 

[toobfreak]

Fuck you Buddy.

I'm not into gay sex, thank you.

He hit him in the Fucking Chin.

Show me.

Yes football is a rough sport. But it's not worth ending up in a wheelchair for the rest of your life?

Good reason to not run up on a known aggressive defender with the ball then and not slide until the very last possible second forcing a big hit.

Listen you POS, I've jumped out of just about every bird you can imagine in service of my country.

Now I'm a POS?

I've risked my life.......

So have I. So I guess by your emotional response, you are admitting you've run out of arguments to counter my CLEAR VIDEO PROOF that the hit was pretty clean using the forearms across the chest and looked far worse than it was as Lawrence got up and walked away and they just rode him in a buggy to make it look good. No lives were ever in danger.

I bet next time, he slides sooner.

 

[toobfreak]

He was giving himself up. Why hit him at all?

Like I said, Zog, after looking at the video repeatedly from every angle, my best guess is that by the time is was clear that Lawrence was sliding and not going to do something else, the defender was already launched in the air committed to making the stop. But these are pros and pros ought to have an emergency out to ditch the hit at the last instant knowing full well this is a QB and that the NFL puts a hands off sign on them, so I would have at least hit him with an Unnecessary Roughness 15 yard penalty, because I don't think it too unreasonable to expect that he could have avoided the hit.

But human nature is that these guys are amped up and get it in their mind to stop a guy, a guy who is challenging you to stop him before he makes a first down and sometimes people get so caught up in the adrenaline of the moment that they carry out a hit even after the player is going down or out of bounds before they realize it. This stuff often happens too fast before players have time to think things through.

I expect that Lawrence will be just fine and back on the field in 1-2 weeks and the NFL will drop a hammer on that defender, probably a HUGE penalty and maybe suspended for some games! I guess it depends on the guy's history.

Lawrence is already home and feeling fine, and I'm seeing the media already lying that Azeez Al-Shaair smashed his helmet into the ground when he clearly was aiming to hit the QB in the chest. Azeez Al-Shaair has already apologized stating everything happened ”in the blink of an eye.” “To Trevor, i genuinely apologize to you for what ended up happening,” Al-Shaair’s statement reads. “Before the game, we spoke and I told you how it was great to see you back out on the field and wished you well. I would never want to see any player hurt because of a hit I put on them, especially one that’s deemed ‘late’ or ‘unnecessary.’”

Apparently the ruckus is over the fact that Lawrence had just returned from a shoulder injury. Like I felt from the beginning, it was just one of those things that happened in a split second that nobody planned. Al-Shaair got carried away and Lawrence was anxious to show what he could do and went down late.

Al-Shaair has had a few other late hits so this one will weigh heavier against him I expect.

Meanwhile, the Texans head coach after reviewing the film had this to say: "It’s two-fold,” Ryans said. “A lot of the quarterbacks, they try and take advantage of the rule where they slide late and they try to get an extra yard. A lot of onus is on the defender. Whether it’s on the sideline or whether it’s on the quarterback, you don’t know what a guy is thinking. You don’t know if a guy is staying up. And then you get a late slide and hit the guy.”

Al-Shaair apologized to Lawrence on social media Monday morning, saying that he truly didn’t know the quarterback was getting down.

Video of the play showed it happen in a split-second, but has since been removed from Fox’s NFL social media account.

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I expect Al-Shaair, due to his history, due to it being a QB and one that just got back from an injury, will be dealt with severely by the NFL. Politics and insurance attorneys will force them to make a big show of the affair by "getting tough" on these "dirty players."

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Like I said, Zog, after looking at the video repeatedly from every angle, my best guess is that by the time is was clear that Lawrence was sliding and not going to do something else, the defender was already launched in the air committed to making the stop. But these are pros and pros ought to have an emergency out to ditch the hit at the last instant knowing full well this is a QB and that the NFL puts a hands off sign on them, so I would have at least hit him with an Unnecessary Roughness 15 yard penalty, because I don't think it too unreasonable to expect that he could have avoided the hit.

But human nature is that these guys are amped up and get it in their mind to stop a guy, a guy who is challenging you to stop him before he makes a first down and sometimes people get so caught up in the adrenaline of the moment that they carry out a hit even after the player is going down or out of bounds before they realize it. This stuff often happens too fast before players have time to think things through.

I expect that Lawrence will be just fine and back on the field in 1-2 weeks and the NFL will drop a hammer on that defender, probably a HUGE penalty and maybe suspended for some games! I guess it depends on the guy's history.

Lawrence is already home and feeling fine, and I'm seeing the media already lying that Azeez Al-Shaair smashed his helmet into the ground when he clearly was aiming to hit the QB in the chest. Azeez Al-Shaair has already apologized stating everything happened ”in the blink of an eye.” “To Trevor, i genuinely apologize to you for what ended up happening,” Al-Shaair’s statement reads. “Before the game, we spoke and I told you how it was great to see you back out on the field and wished you well. I would never want to see any player hurt because of a hit I put on them, especially one that’s deemed ‘late’ or ‘unnecessary.’”

Apparently the ruckus is over the fact that Lawrence had just returned from a shoulder injury. Like I felt from the beginning, it was just one of those things that happened in a split second that nobody planned. Al-Shaair got carried away and Lawrence was anxious to show what he could do and went down late.

Al-Shaair has had a few other late hits so this one will weigh heavier against him I expect.

Meanwhile, the Texans head coach after reviewing the film had this to say: "It’s two-fold,” Ryans said. “A lot of the quarterbacks, they try and take advantage of the rule where they slide late and they try to get an extra yard. A lot of onus is on the defender. Whether it’s on the sideline or whether it’s on the quarterback, you don’t know what a guy is thinking. You don’t know if a guy is staying up. And then you get a late slide and hit the guy.”

Al-Shaair apologized to Lawrence on social media Monday morning, saying that he truly didn’t know the quarterback was getting down.

Video of the play showed it happen in a split-second, but has since been removed from Fox’s NFL social media account.

MSN

www.msn.com

I expect Al-Shaair, due to his history, due to it being a QB and one that just got back from an injury, will be dealt with severely by the NFL. Politics and insurance attorneys will force them to make a big show of the affair by "getting tough" on these "dirty players."

He apologized we good

 

[toobfreak]

He apologized we good

Well Zog, I guess everyone sees these things differently, especially if it is their own QB, then nobody wants them touched. Me, I think the hit while unfortunate, was just plain, honest FOOTBALL, and it wouldn't have happened had the QB gone just down when he should have. Further, Al-Shaarir's hit met the requirements of the Hines Ward Rule, the QB was not defenseless, he just chose to ignore the distance to the defender because all he was thinking about was getting that first down and being cheered.

Hines Ward was a very good wide receiver who got famous for also putting killer blocks on defenders to open up plays for others. Man, those were some good smacks!

So now I suppose the NFL will have to create a NEW rule--- QBs that if they run outside the pocket to expect to get HIT. We ain't selling no candy on the gridiron.

Steelers Legend Hines Ward Prompted NFL to Create a New Rule Due to His Unique Style of Play

Former Pittsburgh Steelers WR Hines Ward is the reason behind a rule known as Hines Ward Rule. Why NFL made a new rule after this player?

www.essentiallysports.com

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Well Zog, I guess everyone sees these things differently, especially if it is their own QB, then nobody wants them touched. Me, I think the hit while unfortunate, was just plain, honest FOOTBALL, and it wouldn't have happened had the QB gone just down when he should have. Further, Al-Shaarir's hit met the requirements of the Hines Ward Rule, the QB was not defenseless, he just chose to ignore the distance to the defender because all he was thinking about was getting that first down and being cheered.

Hines Ward was a very good wide receiver who got famous for also putting killer blocks on defenders to open up plays for others. Man, those were some good smacks!

So now I suppose the NFL will have to create a NEW rule--- QBs that if they run outside the pocket to expect to get HIT. We ain't selling no candy on the gridiron.

Steelers Legend Hines Ward Prompted NFL to Create a New Rule Due to His Unique Style of Play

Former Pittsburgh Steelers WR Hines Ward is the reason behind a rule known as Hines Ward Rule. Why NFL made a new rule after this player?

www.essentiallysports.com

I am all for it but the rule as written now states when a QB begins his slide he can’t be touched.

 

[mudwhistle]

 

[mudwhistle]

Should at minimum be a year suspension

3 games.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

3 games.

Better than zero. My guess is his apology lessened the suspension

 

[mudwhistle]

Better than zero. My guess is his apology lessened the suspension

He did claim it happened so fast that he didn't see him slide......but that's BS, because everyone can see the video in slow-motion.

He aimed at his chin.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

He did claim it happened so fast that he didn't see him slide......but that's BS, because everyone can see the video in slow-motion.

He aimed at his chin.

He definitely did. He gets one mulligan. Next one it’s a year I bet