West Bank settlements

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Since we were talking so much about the Israeli settlements in the West bank, I thought it might be helpful to post these videos which show in some detail how they look to legitimate West Bank inhabitants, cute babies to the contrary notwithstanding. Yes, these settlements are illegal, and they are targets. In general though, the settlers are heavily armed, wheras Palestinians have rocks. But human ingenuity constantly develops new strategies:

Renegade settlers:







[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP09g4MMbH8]Renegade Jewish Settlers Part 4/5 - YouTube[/ame]



[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ4pmwAGT3E]Renegade Jewish Settlers Part 5/5 - YouTube[/ame]
 
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Her[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K697GTM1qY]Jewish settlers rampage in West Bank - YouTube[/ame]e's another:
 
Build build build build build.

They kill, Israel builts.

God bless the settlers and those who help them and support them.
 
Build build build build build.

They kill, Israel builts.

God bless the settlers and those who help them and support them.

Israel only builds for the favored race!
For everyone else, they bulldoze and dump raw sewage on them.
 
Build build build build build.

They kill, Israel builts.

God bless the settlers and those who help them and support them.
Build on land that isn't yours?

You go to hell!

Do you know how many of the houses are built on land which has been LEGALLY bought from the Palestinians?

Why don't you learn something, while you're at it?:cuckoo::eusa_hand:
 
Build build build build build.

They kill, Israel builts.

God bless the settlers and those who help them and support them.
Build on land that isn't yours?

You go to hell!

That land BELONGED to the Kingdom of Jordan. After Palestinians tried to mount an insurrection in THAT COUNTRY -- the Jordanian owners didn't really want the grief associated with that land and lays no title to it today.. Jordan lost it in a war. The Palestinians were too much of a problem for Jordan. And NOW it's under an occupation that's gone on too long. Time for life to go on.. And if the Palestinians wanted peace and and the West Bank -- they could have it.
 
That land BELONGED to the Kingdom of Jordan. After Palestinians tried to mount an insurrection in THAT COUNTRY -- the Jordanian owners didn't really want the grief associated with that land and lays no title to it today.. Jordan lost it in a war. The Palestinians were too much of a problem for Jordan. And NOW it's under an occupation that's gone on too long. Time for life to go on.. And if the Palestinians wanted peace and and the West Bank -- they could have it.

Colonialism in the formal sense is pretty much dead. That means that land generally belongs to its native inhabitants.
 
That land BELONGED to the Kingdom of Jordan. After Palestinians tried to mount an insurrection in THAT COUNTRY -- the Jordanian owners didn't really want the grief associated with that land and lays no title to it today.. Jordan lost it in a war. The Palestinians were too much of a problem for Jordan. And NOW it's under an occupation that's gone on too long. Time for life to go on.. And if the Palestinians wanted peace and and the West Bank -- they could have it.

Colonialism in the formal sense is pretty much dead. That means that land generally belongs to its native inhabitants.

Yeah Jordan was a huge Colonial ass wasn't it? Giving the West Bank equal seating in it's parliament was just for photo ops... Jordan gave up 30% of it's agriculture and about 20% of GDP when they renounced ownership of that land. Must have really pissed them off when the Palis tried to roll tanks into Amman and take over the Kingdom..
 
That land BELONGED to the Kingdom of Jordan. After Palestinians tried to mount an insurrection in THAT COUNTRY -- the Jordanian owners didn't really want the grief associated with that land and lays no title to it today.. Jordan lost it in a war. The Palestinians were too much of a problem for Jordan. And NOW it's under an occupation that's gone on too long. Time for life to go on.. And if the Palestinians wanted peace and and the West Bank -- they could have it.

Colonialism in the formal sense is pretty much dead. That means that land generally belongs to its native inhabitants.

It was from Hebron, Bethlehem, Jericho, Shechem, Bethel and Shiloh that the Israelites brought the messages of monotheism and morality to the world. Those settlers are pioneers. They are willing to live in a dangerous, hostile environment, just for the sake of their heritage, faith and history. A Jew can live in Paris but not Hebron, his birthplace? Doesn't make sense to me.
 
Amity seems to believe that ONLY ISRAEL has ever had domestic tranquility ruined by the Palestinians.
Seems like ANY authority that the Palis live under end up having problems to solve..

Just the historical facts about the Palestinians in Jordan..

Black September in Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Between mid-1968 and the end of 1969, no fewer than five hundred violent clashes occurred between the Palestinian guerrillas and Jordanian security forces.[citation needed] There were frequent kidnappings and acts of violence against civilians. Chief of the Jordanian Royal Court (and subsequently a Prime Minister) Zaid al-Rifai claimed that in one extreme instance, "the fedayeen killed a soldier, beheaded him, and played football with his head in the area where he used to live".[16] Jordanian security forces would typically respond to fedayeen provocations and transgressions by rounding them up and sending them to the front. Outbreaks of violence were continuously on the rise

On September 18, during the time of turmoil, Syria tried to intervene on behalf of the Palestinian guerrillas. President Hafez al-Assad told his biographer, Patrick Seale, that Syria's intervention was only to protect the Palestinians from a massacre. The Syrians sent in armored forces equivalent to a brigade, with tanks, some of them allegedly hastily rebranded from the regular Syrian army for the purpose. Other Syrian units were the 5th Infantry Division (with the 88th and 91st Tank Brigades and the 67th Mechanised Brigade with over 200 T-55 tanks) and Commandos. They were under the command of the Palestine Liberation Army's (PLA) Syrian branch, whose headquarters were located in Damascus, and which was controlled by the government. They were met by the 40th Armored Brigade of the Jordanian Army. The Syrian Air Force, under orders of Assad, never entered the battle. This has been variously attributed to power struggles within the Syrian Baathist government (pitting Assad against Salah Jadid), and to the threat of Israeli military intervention.

On 21 September the Syrian 5th Division broke through the defenses of the Jordanian 40th Armoured Brigade, and pushed it back off the ar-Ramtha crossroads. On 22 September, the Royal Jordanian Air Force began attacking Syrian forces, which were badly battered as a result. The constant airstrikes broke the will of the Syrian force, and on the late afternoon of 22 September, the 5th Division began to retreat.[25]

Whatever the case, the swift Syrian withdrawal was a severe blow to Palestinian hopes. Jordanian armored forces steadily pounded their headquarters in Amman, and threatened to break them in other regions of the kingdom as well. The Palestinians agreed to a cease-fire. Hussein and Arafat attended the meeting of leaders of Arab countries in Cairo, where Arafat won a diplomatic victory. On September 27, Hussein was forced to sign an agreement which preserved the right of the Palestinian organizations to operate in Jordan. For Jordan, it was humiliating that the agreement treated both sides to the conflict as equals.

On October 31, 1970, Yasser Arafat signed a five-point agreement, which was similar to that signed in November 1968, and was designed to return control of the country exclusively to King Hussein. The agreement stated that members of the Palestinian organizations were expected to honor Jordanian laws, instructed them to dismantle their bases, and forbade them to walk around armed and in uniform in the cities and villages.

Had the Palestinians honored that agreement, Hussein would have had difficulties in continuing to act against them. But the PFLP and the DFLP – the two organizations to the left of Arafat – refused to accept its conditions. They called on their members to ignore the Jordanian government, and at a meeting of the Palestinian National Council, they were responsible for prompting the acceptance of the proposal that Transjordan would be part of the Palestinian state to be established in the future.

The open defiance caused renewed conflict between the Palestinians and the Jordanian army, whose commanders were in any case eager to finish the work they had begun in September. At the beginning of November 1970, incidents of fighting erupted between members of the PFLP and DFLP and the Jordanian security forces. On November 9, Jordanian prime minister Wasfi al-Tal announced that in accordance with the agreement signed a month earlier, the authorities would no longer allow the Palestinians to walk around with weapons or to store explosives. The announcement was not honored, and the security forces received instructions to confiscate the Palestinians' weapons.

Breaking cease-fires and peace agreements.. Constant agitation and insurrection. Attempts to assassinate the King.. Having to be disarmed and rounded up.. No -- we're not talking about Israehell here are we?
 
There is a good bit of spin in this article, and a few important points left out as far as motivations, who broke cease fire, etc..

But I'm not going to quibble.
 
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Do you know how many of the houses are built on land which has been LEGALLY bought from the Palestinians?

Why don't you learn something, while you're at it?:cuckoo::eusa_hand:

Too much, and this frequently was done very innocently in the early days, but its not often now that someone will sell their land to Israelis knowing what the gameplan is. I read recently about someone who sold an apartment building to Israelis. It seems they tricked him somehow, telling him that his mother had already signed away her interests, something like that, with forged paperwork.

So of course the stupid guy was killed in his car within days. I think most of the time when someone sells land to Israelis there is some type of fraud behind it.
 
If JORDAN couldnt live with Palestinians and their lousy leadership, how do you expect their attitude towards Israel and vice versa to be any better. Jordan was the KEY to a West Bank solution, and they wanted no part of it. They had already several decades of experience with the PLO and other groups that consistently injure the Palestinians just causes.. No matter WHO is takes title to the West Bank...

I am objective about Palis as individuals. But their "leadership" in the region has always sucked and failed their best interests...
 
Do you know how many of the houses are built on land which has been LEGALLY bought from the Palestinians?

Why don't you learn something, while you're at it?:cuckoo::eusa_hand:

Too much, and this frequently was done very innocently in the early days, but its not often now that someone will sell their land to Israelis knowing what the gameplan is. I read recently about someone who sold an apartment building to Israelis. It seems they tricked him somehow, telling him that his mother had already signed away her interests, something like that, with forged paperwork.

So of course the stupid guy was killed in his car within days. I think most of the time when someone sells land to Israelis there is some type of fraud behind it.

Yeah! I read about that...NOT!
 
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Do you know how many of the houses are built on land which has been LEGALLY bought from the Palestinians?

Why don't you learn something, while you're at it?:cuckoo::eusa_hand:

Too much, and this frequently was done very innocently in the early days, but its not often now that someone will sell their land to Israelis knowing what the gameplan is. I read recently about someone who sold an apartment building to Israelis. It seems they tricked him somehow, telling him that his mother had already signed away her interests, something like that, with forged paperwork.

So of course the stupid guy was killed in his car within days. I think most of the time when someone sells land to Israelis there is some type of fraud behind it.

Of course you would think that. I don't think sensible people would think that you would actually believe the transaction might have been on the up and up. No, no -- someone like you wants the viewers to think it is all fraud. No a word of sympathy for the man who was killed by his fellow Arabs.
 
Ok and back on the pure track of this thread, I am trying to be here with a very open mind. I have seen other evidence of the illegal settlements by some of the far right Jewish people and I am not too sure I agree with them; in so much as I doubt they would further any peace process. I am not too sure that some of their actions could not be called terrorist acts either.

However I have to also think about my belief that the Israelites (Jews) did conquer the land hundreds of years ago, well more like a few thousand years ago.

And then in the 'part 1' video posted by the OP, it clearly states that Israel conquered the west bank in the six day war against overwhelming odds. So, if a land is conquered (again) is it not to the victor goes the spoils? That would be like once Assyria conquered Israel, or Babylon conquered Judah, or Persia conquered Babylon, or Alexander the Great conquered Persia, or Rome conquered the Seleucids, or then the Israelites, or the Muslims conquered Israel, or the Turks/Ottoman Empire, or Britain/Allies the Ottoman Empire, or the Americans conquered the Natives, or Mexico, etc., etc.; you get my point: that they just go ahead and say, "Ok, we conquered you, but now we're just going to leave and let you have your land back".

In 'part 2' the archaeological digs are being performed by an Israelite/Jew but on the one hand there are Palestinians protesting it, but there are Palestinians being paid to perform the work. Huh?

So I really don't know. I just wish all the hate would or could stop. I do wish that the illegal settlements would stop. I wish that something could 'freeze' everything and just make the conflict stop. Who threw the first stone? Who's going to throw the last one?
 
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Too much, and this frequently was done very innocently in the early days, but its not often now that someone will sell their land to Israelis knowing what the gameplan is. I read recently about someone who sold an apartment building to Israelis. It seems they tricked him somehow, telling him that his mother had already signed away her interests, something like that, with forged paperwork.

So of course the stupid guy was killed in his car within days.
I think most of the time when someone sells land to Israelis there is some type of fraud behind it.

Amity, I would really, really, really like to read this too. I am really trying to be open on this conflict and wish for once you would help me out by providing some backup to some of your claims.

Please? Pretty Please? Please stop ignoring my requests for you to provide me with something tangible to go with from you.
 
If JORDAN couldnt live with Palestinians and their lousy leadership, how do you expect their attitude towards Israel and vice versa to be any better. Jordan was the KEY to a West Bank solution, and they wanted no part of it. They had already several decades of experience with the PLO and other groups that consistently injure the Palestinians just causes.. No matter WHO is takes title to the West Bank...

I am objective about Palis as individuals. But their "leadership" in the region has always sucked and failed their best interests...

"You must spread some more reputation around before giving it to flaceltenn again"
 
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