West Bank settlements

[amity1844]

However I have to also think about my belief that the Israelites (Jews) did conquer the land hundreds of years ago, well more like a few thousand years ago.

Yes, very true. They conquered it. And talk about bloodthirsty! The Old Testament records one of their songs: Blessed be he who takes your little ones and dashes their brains out against a rock.

And then in the 'part 1' video posted by the OP, it clearly states that Israel conquered the west bank in the six day war against overwhelming odds. So, if a land is conquered (again) is it not to the victor goes the spoils?

No, it used to be, but then we invented international law to curb those who are greedy. Now we just need to enforce it. No one is allowed to acquire territory by force.

So I really don't know. I just wish all the hate would or could stop. I do wish that the illegal settlements would stop. I wish that something could 'freeze' everything and just make the conflict stop. Who threw the first stone? Who's going to throw the last one?

Me too, dear heart.

 

[Indeependent]

However I have to also think about my belief that the Israelites (Jews) did conquer the land hundreds of years ago, well more like a few thousand years ago.

Yes, very true. They conquered it. And talk about bloodthirsty! The Old Testament records one of their songs: Blessed be he who takes your little ones and dashes their brains out against a rock.

And then in the 'part 1' video posted by the OP, it clearly states that Israel conquered the west bank in the six day war against overwhelming odds. So, if a land is conquered (again) is it not to the victor goes the spoils?

No, it used to be, but then we invented international law to curb those who are greedy. Now we just need to enforce it. No one is allowed to acquire territory by force.

So I really don't know. I just wish all the hate would or could stop. I do wish that the illegal settlements would stop. I wish that something could 'freeze' everything and just make the conflict stop. Who threw the first stone? Who's going to throw the last one?

Me too, dear heart.

Psalm 137:9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
Once again you have demonstrated why you should demand your tuition back from Cambridge.
I presume context is not one of your strong points.
Go to the link and start from verse 1.
Should take less than a minute.

Oh, I forgot...You're a Class A idiot.

 

[Sally]

However I have to also think about my belief that the Israelites (Jews) did conquer the land hundreds of years ago, well more like a few thousand years ago.

Yes, very true. They conquered it. And talk about bloodthirsty! The Old Testament records one of their songs: Blessed be he who takes your little ones and dashes their brains out against a rock.

And then in the 'part 1' video posted by the OP, it clearly states that Israel conquered the west bank in the six day war against overwhelming odds. So, if a land is conquered (again) is it not to the victor goes the spoils?

No, it used to be, but then we invented international law to curb those who are greedy. Now we just need to enforce it. No one is allowed to acquire territory by force.

So I really don't know. I just wish all the hate would or could stop. I do wish that the illegal settlements would stop. I wish that something could 'freeze' everything and just make the conflict stop. Who threw the first stone? Who's going to throw the last one?

Me too, dear heart.[/QUOTE]

I'm not a Bible scholar, but could you point out where this "dashing heads against a rock" comes from? Then I can check it out with people who really know the Bible. Meanwhile in ancient times men were very violent as we can see from the wars that went on. However, I am having a problem now with young women in Iranian jails being raped before they are killed because Mohammed said never to kill a virgin. And we all know how violent the Muslims were when they left the Saudi Arabian peninsula and invaded the surrounding countries. I wonder if the beheading that the Islamic terrorists are doing today are rules from the Hadiths. Maybe Amity knows.

 

[Indeependent]

However I have to also think about my belief that the Israelites (Jews) did conquer the land hundreds of years ago, well more like a few thousand years ago.

Yes, very true. They conquered it. And talk about bloodthirsty! The Old Testament records one of their songs: Blessed be he who takes your little ones and dashes their brains out against a rock.

And then in the 'part 1' video posted by the OP, it clearly states that Israel conquered the west bank in the six day war against overwhelming odds. So, if a land is conquered (again) is it not to the victor goes the spoils?

No, it used to be, but then we invented international law to curb those who are greedy. Now we just need to enforce it. No one is allowed to acquire territory by force.

So I really don't know. I just wish all the hate would or could stop. I do wish that the illegal settlements would stop. I wish that something could 'freeze' everything and just make the conflict stop. Who threw the first stone? Who's going to throw the last one?

Me too, dear heart.

I'm not a Bible scholar, but could you point out where this "dashing heads against a rock" comes from? Then I can check it out with people who really know the Bible. Meanwhile in ancient times men were very violent as we can see from the wars that went on. However, I am having a problem now with young women in Iranian jails being raped before they are killed because Mohammed said never to kill a virgin. And we all know how violent the Muslims were when they left the Saudi Arabian peninsula and invaded the surrounding countries. I wonder if the beheading that the Islamic terrorists are doing today are rules from the Hadiths. Maybe Amity knows.[/QUOTE]

Sally...It's very simple.
Google the quote and read the chapter starting from verse 1.

 

[flacaltenn]

The baby-bashing Psalm was poetic license probably written several centuries after Babylonia Captivity
about what the Jewish CAPTIVES MIGHT have been thinking whilst in Babylonian slavery.
NOT the type of press release that Hamas has immediately following an attack
on Jewish preschools.

 

[MJB12741]

YES, YES, YES. How proud of Amity I am. He finally gets it. "That land belongs to it's native inhabitants." And the indigenous Palestinians --- WERE JEWS! And who said Amity is an imbicile?

That land BELONGED to the Kingdom of Jordan. After Palestinians tried to mount an insurrection in THAT COUNTRY -- the Jordanian owners didn't really want the grief associated with that land and lays no title to it today.. Jordan lost it in a war. The Palestinians were too much of a problem for Jordan. And NOW it's under an occupation that's gone on too long. Time for life to go on.. And if the Palestinians wanted peace and and the West Bank -- they could have it.

Colonialism in the formal sense is pretty much dead. That means that land generally belongs to its native inhabitants.

 

[teddyearp]

Too much, and this frequently was done very innocently in the early days, but its not often now that someone will sell their land to Israelis knowing what the gameplan is. I read recently about someone who sold an apartment building to Israelis. It seems they tricked him somehow, telling him that his mother had already signed away her interests, something like that, with forged paperwork.

So of course the stupid guy was killed in his car within days. I think most of the time when someone sells land to Israelis there is some type of fraud behind it.

Amity, I would really, really, really like to read this too. I am really trying to be open on this conflict and wish for once you would help me out by providing some backup to some of your claims.

Please? Pretty Please? Please stop ignoring my requests for you to provide me with something tangible to go with from you.

Still waiting on this.

 

[teddyearp]

However I have to also think about my belief that the Israelites (Jews) did conquer the land hundreds of years ago, well more like a few thousand years ago.

Yes, very true. They conquered it. And talk about bloodthirsty! The Old Testament records one of their songs: Blessed be he who takes your little ones and dashes their brains out against a rock.

Colonialism in the formal sense is pretty much dead. That means that land generally belongs to its native inhabitants.

Hmmm, so who should the native inhabitants be?

 

[amity1844]

However I have to also think about my belief that the Israelites (Jews) did conquer the land hundreds of years ago, well more like a few thousand years ago.

Yes, very true. They conquered it. And talk about bloodthirsty! The Old Testament records one of their songs: Blessed be he who takes your little ones and dashes their brains out against a rock.


No, it used to be, but then we invented international law to curb those who are greedy. Now we just need to enforce it. No one is allowed to acquire territory by force.

So I really don't know. I just wish all the hate would or could stop. I do wish that the illegal settlements would stop. I wish that something could 'freeze' everything and just make the conflict stop. Who threw the first stone? Who's going to throw the last one?

Me too, dear heart.

Psalm 137:9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
Once again you have demonstrated why you should demand your tuition back from Cambridge.
I presume context is not one of your strong points.
Go to the link and start from verse 1.
Should take less than a minute.

Oh, I forgot...You're a Class A idiot.

I'm pretty familiar with this verse from church, actually, but I did go get you the full context:

1By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

2We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof.

3For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion.

4How shall we sing the LORD'S song in a strange land?

5If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning.

6If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy.

7Remember, O LORD, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof.

8O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.

9Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.


So your point is ...... ??????

That ancient Jews were justified in dashing Babylonians' babies against rocks? Very likely I would feel so, actually. Poor kids, but you can understand people feeling that way and even acting on those feelings.

War is hell. Ready for peace yet? Let us know when you are.

 

[teddyearp]

Too much, and this frequently was done very innocently in the early days, but its not often now that someone will sell their land to Israelis knowing what the gameplan is. I read recently about someone who sold an apartment building to Israelis. It seems they tricked him somehow, telling him that his mother had already signed away her interests, something like that, with forged paperwork.

So of course the stupid guy was killed in his car within days. I think most of the time when someone sells land to Israelis there is some type of fraud behind it.

Amity, I would really, really, really like to read this too. I am really trying to be open on this conflict and wish for once you would help me out by providing some backup to some of your claims.

Please? Pretty Please? Please stop ignoring my requests for you to provide me with something tangible to go with from you.

Still waiting on this.

Still waiting . . .

 

[amity1844]

Sorry, didn't see this. Will get right on it.

I found that his name was Muhammad abu al-Hawa, and this happened in 2006, that is all I can find right now.

Meanwhile, I am finding so many other interesting tidbits thought I might as well post them while I am looking for the one you want:


http://www.rense.com/general50/gu.htm

http://www.meforum.org/370/can-arabs-buy-land-in-israel

http://digitalcommons.wcl.american.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1537&context=aulr

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/04/27/tolerating-israels-land-grabs/

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.585694


Wow, this is a fantastic topic. I feel a new thread coming on.


And THIS wonderful guy, Max Blumenthal, is probably also going to wind up on the list of anti-Zionist Jews with a great big "shukran" next to his name. Nice piece:

http://maxblumenthal.com/tag/jewish-national-fund/

He is a journalist by trade, and his bio states that he is also about to release a book titled Goliath: Life and Loathing in Greater Israel.

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Back when I was young and dumb I send JNF a buck for a tree. Ha-ha! There is a tree in Israel with my name on it!

 

[Sally]

Sorry, didn't see this. Will get right on it.

I found that his name was Muhammad abu al-Hawa, and this happened in 2006, that is all I can find right now.

Meanwhile, I am finding so many other interesting tidbits thought I might as well post them while I am looking for the one you want:


Israeli Settlers Steal Palestinian Homes At Gunpoint

Can Arabs Buy Land in Israel? :: Middle East Quarterly

http://digitalcommons.wcl.american.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1537&context=aulr

Tolerating Israel?s Land Grabs | Consortiumnews

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Wow, this is a fantastic topic. I feel a new thread coming on.


And THIS wonderful guy, Max Blumenthal, is probably also going to wind up on the list of anti-Zionist Jews with a great big "shukran" next to his name. Nice piece:

jewish national fund | Max Blumenthal

He is a journalist by trade, and his bio states that he is also about to release a book titled Goliath: Life and Loathing in Greater Israel.

Demolition, Dispossession and Resistance in Al-Arakib, Israel, Februrary 10th 2011 - YouTube


Back when I was young and dumb I send JNF a buck for a tree. Ha-ha! There is a tree in Israel with my name on it!

Gosh, maybe Amity can get her good friend David Duke, the Rense fellow and those at Stormfront into the loop when they have something else to say regarding Blumenthal. They would love a kindred spirit like Amity. Let's all chip in and send money to the Jewish National Fund and have some more trees planted in honor of Amity. Since she does love the Jews of Israel so much, maybe we should have an entire grove planted in her honor.

Max Blumenthal?s Jew-hating fans | Jerusalem Post - Blogs

 

[amity1844]

That's really weak!

 

[teddyearp]

Amity, I would really, really, really like to read this too. I am really trying to be open on this conflict and wish for once you would help me out by providing some backup to some of your claims.

Please? Pretty Please? Please stop ignoring my requests for you to provide me with something tangible to go with from you.

Still waiting on this.

Still waiting . . .

Sorry, didn't see this. Will get right on it.

I found that his name was Muhammad abu al-Hawa, and this happened in 2006, that is all I can find right now.

Meanwhile, I am finding so many other interesting tidbits thought I might as well post them while I am looking for the one you want:


Israeli Settlers Steal Palestinian Homes At Gunpoint

Can Arabs Buy Land in Israel? :: Middle East Quarterly

http://digitalcommons.wcl.american.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1537&context=aulr

Tolerating Israel?s Land Grabs | Consortiumnews

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Demolition, Dispossession and Resistance in Al-Arakib, Israel, Februrary 10th 2011 - YouTube

Well, thank you for replying. I did my own google search for "Muhammad abu al-Hawa" and did find that he indeed was killed for selling his land. What you left out was by whom and for why. So is one of the links I found:

Our World: Why is Muhammad Abu al-Hawa dead? | JPost | Israel News

Now that is obviously an opinion page so a huge grain of salt has to be taken when reading an opinion page (remember that). It seems as though the PA consider it a capital offense (meaning punishable by DEATH) for an Arab to sell land to a Jew. Kind of extreme don't you think? Oddly enough one of the links you provided confirms that and more. Now to the second link I found:

AM - Palestinian man killed for selling home to Jewish settlers

Now this is a news article and interview that abc correspondent MARK WILLACY performed about the story. In it, the dead guy's brother said that he may have sold for too little to other Palaestinians who then sold it to some Jews. An excerpt:

MARK WILLACY: Mahmoud Abu al-Hawa's brother Muhammad was accused of selling his house on the Mount of Olives to Jewish settlers for millions of dollars.

Mahmoud acknowledges that his brother did sell the property, but he says it was to Palestinians who only paid a few hundred thousand. He says they must have then on-sold it to the new Jewish occupants.

MAHMOUD ABU AL-HAWA: You know, my brother, if you want to sell it to the Israelis, he would have sell for $10- $15 million, and run away from the country. But my brother didn’t. He bought a house here and he was living with his family.

Read the rest of the article, it is quite telling. And it goes hand in hand with the second link you posted. Oddly enough it re-affirms that the PA considers it a capital offense (punishable by DEATH) for selling land to a Jew, but also goes a lot further into the land ownership policies in Israel and answers whether an Arab can buy land from a Jew; explains why if Israel is so anti-Arab how come there are tons of Arabs living in Israel in Afula, Nazereth, Cana, Delet Carmel, and those are only the towns I have personally gone through.

Finally, the funny thing about the youtube video you posted is why is it so edited? There were obviously plenty of cameras rthere, but in the middle it states that there is no documentation of when the Israeli police started firing sponge bullets and tear gas, but the cameras are rolling just before and right after; with plenty of scenes cut.

 

[amity1844]

No, I think I told you by whom, or at least you should have assumed it. Why would Israelis kill a Palestinian for selling land to them??? Duh.

And yes, this trickery (apparently they posed as Palestinians or used some paid Palestinians to fool this guy?) has gone on enough and is serious enough that there is now a death penalty instituted for it. None of these land grab deals is honest.

The moral? for Palestinians it is ... either don't sell at all (best) or be extremely careful to check who you are selling to.

 

[Sally]

No, I think I told you by whom, or at least you should have assumed it. Why would Israelis kill a Palestinian for selling land to them??? Duh.

And yes, this trickery (apparently they posed as Palestinians or used some paid Palestinians to fool this guy?) has gone on enough and is serious enough that there is now a death penalty instituted for it. None of these land grab deals is honest.

The moral? for Palestinians it is ... either don't sell at all (best) or be extremely careful to check who you are selling to.

Why should a Palestinian kill another Palestinian for selling land to a Jew? Because that is the Palestinian way. We see how the Muslim Arabs have no problem killing those of other sects, so why should they have a problem with killing this land seller?

 

[amity1844]

spoken like a true capitalist....

Because land is more than just a commodity, Sally?

 

[Sally]

spoken like a true capitalist....

Because land is more than just a commodity, Sally?

If you are so worried about land, why not tell your Muslim brethren who are occupying part of Cyprus to leave? Oh, the Jews are not involved so you keep quiet about this? Moreover, I would hate to read about some Turkish family slaughtered in their home by Greek Cypriots. However, it's nice to see some Arab not hiding her bloodlust when it comes to her brethren murdering people.

Notice that Amity can't restrain herself even though she said she was not responding to me anymore. I guess her friends couldnt restrain themselves from sneaking into the Fogel's house and slaughtering sleeping people.

 

[amity1844]

Sally, htg we found something to agree on! CYPRUS. I was there when that happened too.

 

[Sally]

Sally, htg we found something to agree on! CYPRUS. I was there when that happened too.

When you were in Cyprus, I was an American astronaut on a mission.