US speaker says West Bank belongs to Jews ‘by right’ in settlement visit

[Darkwind]

Except of course for the people who lived there before the Jews.

The Jews have the oldest claim. So, your statement is laughable on its face.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The Jews have the oldest claim.

Other than those who descended from the Canaanites.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Except of course for the people who lived there before the Jews.

There is no group that exists today that has been there longer than the Jews.

 

[Darkwind]

Other than those who descended from the Canaanites.

You don't understand the concept of "Oldest"?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Other than those who descended from the Canaanites.

They do not constitute a group. They may have individual rights but no collective rights because they are not a people, but just people living there.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You don't understand the concept of "Oldest"?

Peole still talk of being descendants of the Canaanites. And the Phoenicians.

You understand the concept of "before", right?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

They do not constitute a group.

Unless they claim to be.

 

[Darkwind]

Peole still talk of being descendants of the Canaanites. And the Phoenicians.

You understand the concept of "before", right?

They talk about it. The Jews can prove it.

In all the Levant, the Jews are the oldest known ethnic group.

You do understand the concept that oldest means no others are older?

Take care to understand what it is you are talking about.

People with no prior ethnic affiliation are not the discussion.

There was a time when the Levant had NO PEOPLE AT ALL.

Of those who entered it, the Jews are of the oldest.

There are some legitimate claims of ancestry by the Palestinians. But they do not trump the Jews.

 

[Shusha]

Peole still talk of being descendants of the Canaanites. And the Phoenicians.

You understand the concept of "before", right?

They can talk. They can even test their DNA. But there is no longer a collective of a distinct peoples who are Canaanite because the ethnicity (culture) no longer exists.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Unless they claim to be.

No, the descendants of Canaanites do not share a distinct language or religion or or history, etc. that distinguishes them from other people in the region, so they do not constitute a group and therefore have no collective rights as a group.

 

[the watcher]

“Every corner of this land is important to us. It is an integral part of our faith, and therefore the significance for us is great… We stand entirely by your side,” says Johnson, according to the statement.

Who is this "us" that he invokes?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Who is this "us" that he invokes?

Since Johnson is a Christian, he is clearly speaking for Christians, but for those Christians who see the Jews and Christians as having a common interest in preserving the Holy Land as the birth place of both religions and is rejecting the claims of the so called Palestinians.

 

[Crepitus]

Speaker of the US House of Representatives Mike Johnson says that the “mountains of Judea and Samaria” belong to the Jewish people “by right,” during a visit to the West Bank settlement of Ariel, according to a statement by the settlement’s municipal authority.

Johnson, who is among the most senior US officials to ever visit a West Bank settlement, speaks at a celebratory event attended by Ariel Mayor Yair Chetboun and the mayors of other West Bank settlements.

“Every corner of this land is important to us. It is an integral part of our faith, and therefore the significance for us is great… We stand entirely by your side,” says Johnson, according to the statement.

“Scripture teaches us that the mountains of Judea and Samaria were promised to the Jewish people, and they belong to them by right. But many people around the world do not see it like this, they label it the ‘occupied territories’ or the ‘West Bank’ or any other name,” he adds. “Every mayor here should know exactly where we stand regarding this issue — and we stand with you.”

US speaker says West Bank belongs to Jews ‘by right’ in settlement visit

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www.timesofisrael.com

America leading the way to a rational, peaceful ME.

Are you joking?

'Cause that shit ain't funny.

 

[Crepitus]

As it is used today, the term, Palestinians, is a propaganda term, so there were no Palestinians until after WWI, but the Jews built Jerusalem a thousand years before there were any Christians and 1700 years before there were any Arabs or Muslims. There is no group existing today that has been there longer than the Jews.

Johnson's point is that the history and culture of Judaism and early Christianity was played out on the hills and valleys and streets of the villages of this land, so it is sacred land to them, but Islam's only connection to this land is that Muhammud claimed he had once had a dream that he ascended to heaver from the Temple Mount that had been built by Jews 1700 years before he had been born.

While the Arabs/Muslims, the so called Palestinians, certainly have legal rights to the land they own, they have no collective rights to the land because they never existed as a people aside from the propaganda narrative they are trying to peddle.

So then it belongs to the Canaanites.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

They talk about it. The Jews can prove it.

So what? That's my point.

 

[toomuchtime_]

So then it belongs to the Canaanites.

Not according to the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, who is next in line for the presidency if Trump should die in office and Vance were not able to assume the office.

 

[Crepitus]

Not according to the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, who is next in line for the presidency if Trump should die in office and Vance were not able to assume the office.

How much authority does that give him in Palestine?

 

[toomuchtime_]

How much authority does that give him in Palestine?

Quite a bit, since as Speaker he pretty much controls what bills become law.

 

[José]

Jews this... Jews that...

As if the real natives of Palestine, the real descendants of the melting pot of ethnicities that inhabited the Levant in antiquity were not the arabized people of Palestine but rather Europeans, Ethiopians and Yemenis converted to Judaism.

Crazy people talk is boring.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Israel has a right to the land in their borders, because they are a sovereign,self determined country that was created by the team that won two world wars.

And that's all the justification they need. There's no need to get into a religious or historical pissing contest. It's worthless.