Zone1 Were there human beings before Adam and Eve?

[hobelim]

Jesus was not just a Man. He was/is the God/Man.

Thats ridiculous. Yes, Jesus was more than just any man, he was the Messiah chosen by God to convey all of his commands, but he was not a mangod. God is not human and never wore diapers on Christmas Day. DERP.

No, Jesus didn't appear to his friends in dreams, He appeared in Person.

The only way that the eyewitness accounts of people seeing Jesus after the crucifixion could possibly be true is if they were eyewitness accounts of what was seen and heard in dreams, the medium through which God communicates with people. Seeing Jesus in dreams would have convince the disciples that Jesus survived death and was alive in the eternal realm of God, the reward of the righteous, giving them the faith to die a good death.

Jesus spoke in parables 'at times'. But not all the time.

"All these things Jesus said to the crowds in parables; indeed, he said nothing to them without a parable."

Jesus did many miracles which were all supernatural.

Every single miracle can be easily explained in a way that conforms to and can be confirmed by reality. For instance if you suddenly stopped being a jackass, realized how absurd it is to seek spiritual life from a matzo, repented, and your sanity was restored, that would be a miracle tantamount to the dead rising from a grave.

See, you deny the Person of Jesus Christ as to Who He is.

No I accept that he was exactly who he claimed to be. A prophet, like Moses, a Jewish man, who would reveal the hidden wisdom of God in giving the Law. And this is exactly what he did by giving the command to "eat my flesh", You are the one who denies this and instead perpetuates the same bullshit that Jesus was accused of, claiming equality with God, which is a scurrilous lie intended to bring the name of Jesus into disrepute among intelligent people because even in the first century, just like it is today, anyone who claims to be God is insane.

 

[Quantrill]

If that was true you would rather be drawn and quartered than to set aside the divine commands to seek spiritual life on your knees from a lifeless piece of bread made by human hands.

I don't know what you're talking about?

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[hobelim]

I don't know what you're talking about?

Seriously? Wow.

And some people don't believe in the death, a curse, for openly setting aside Divine Law by worshipping a trinity and desecrating the WORDS of Jesus Christ by misleading others into believing it can be made by human hands and handed out like a cheap snack food that you mock worship one day and flush down the toilet the next.

Imagine that!

 

[Quantrill]

Thats ridiculous. Jesus was more than just a man, he was the messiah chosen by God to convey all of his commands



The only way the eyewitness accounts of seeing Jesus after the crucifixion was if they were eyewitness accounts of what was seen and heard in dreams, the medium through which God communicates with people.



"All these things Jesus said to the crowds in parables; indeed, he said nothing to them without a parable."



Every single miracle can be easily explained in a way that conforms to and can be confirmed by reality. For instance if you suddenly stopped being a jackass, realized how absurd it is to seek spiritual life from a matzo, repented, and your sanity was restored, that would be a miracle.

Well, I said Jesus was more than just a man. He was/is the God/Man.

No, they were eyewitness accounts of the real Jesus appearing before them. (John 20:15-18) (John 20:19-21) (John 20:24-29) (John 21:1-14) (Luke 24:13-32). Not a vision or a dream. The real resurrected Jesus Christ.

As I said, Jesus spoke at times in parables, but not all the time. Why are you scared to give the chapter and verse?

A miracle is a miracle because it is outside that which is normal and natural. It is supernatural.

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[Quantrill]

Seriously? Wow.

And some people don't believe in the death, a curse, for openly setting aside Divine Law by worshipping a trinity and desecrating the WORDS of Jesus Christ by misleading others into believing it can be made by human hands and handed out like a cheap snack food that you mock worship one day and flush down the toilet the next.

Imagine that!

Where does it say that recognizing that God is a Trinity in the Bible is wrong? Chapter and verse.

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[hobelim]

Where does it say that recognizing that God is a Trinity in the Bible is wrong? Chapter and verse.

No, I think you are quite done. You may not realize this but I have only been responding to you at all for the benefit of others standing around, WATCHING. You are like a corpse strapped to a gurney being dissected in an open arena to determine cause of death for the sole benefit of attending dedicated medical students. Its over.

Thanks to you many will come to believe in my God by "seeing" that his Law remains in effect and in full force. And many more still will not taste of death until they "see" that the kingdom of my God has always been in power.

Class dismissed.

 

[Quantrill]

No, I think you are quite done. You may not realize this but I have only been responding to you at all for the benefit of others standing around, WATCHING. You are like a corpse strapped to a gurney being dissected in an open arena to determine cause of death for the sole benefit of attending dedicated medical students. Its over.

Class dismissed.

Well, I'm sure they were benefited.

Yeah, I've heard that before.

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[Frankenstein]

I guess there were human beings living outside of the Garden of Eden, eh?

Genesis 1 gives us a historical account of the creation of the world that teaches God created all things in six 24-hour days (cf. Exodus 20:11). The flow of the creation account in Genesis 1 leads us to the pinnacle of God’s creation on day six, when he creates man in his own image:

Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” (Genesis 1:26–28)

Do these verses suggest there were more than two people on earth at this point? No, since this is day six, mankind was the first couple (Adam and Eve). In Genesis 1:26, “man” (ʾādām, is without the article, i.e., anarthrous) refers to mankind because, after using the singular “ʾādām,” it says “let them (plural) have dominion . . .” Then in Genesis 1:27, “the man” (hāʾādām, with the article, i.e., arthrous) is used, which is followed by “ . . . in the image of God he created him (singular),” then “male and female, he created them (plural).” In Genesis 2:7–8, 15–16, 18–23, 25, 3:9 12, 22, 24, and 4:1, the arthrous “hāʾādām” is used and refers to the individual first man, Adam. Then in Adam’s genealogy, Genesis 5:1–5, it is always anarthrous “ʾādām.” In Genesis 5:1, “ʾādām” (twice) refers to the first man because it refers to “him.” In Genesis 5:2, it refers to “male and female . . . them,” who were “called “ʾādām” when they were created. So “ʾādām” refers to both male and female, but they were the first two humans (Adam and Eve). In Genesis 5:3–5, “ʾādām” clearly refers to the first man, Adam, who fathered Seth and had other sons and daughters.

 

[hobelim]

Do these verses suggest there were more than two people on earth at this point? No,

So what. The story does not end there. By Genesis 3 a crafty talking serpent, a despicable person, was already there before Adam and Eve were "created" and God "breathed the breath of life", the ankh, into Adams nostrils.

And when Adam was naming all of the creatures he was correlating existing people, tribes, nations, etc, with animals according to their displayed attributes. You may not realize this but some people have the form and shape of a human being but an intelligence just slightly above that of a monkey. Didn't you go to high school?

When it says that Jesus was tempted by the devil in the wilderness living among the wild beasts it's saying that Jesus was living outside the jurisdiction of Jewish law, the wilderness, living among the wild beasts, the Romans, presumably doing what Romans do in the wilderness. Thats why they said, "We know this man is a sinner." and if the Law is to be taken literally he was, but according to the deeper meaning of the words Jesus was without sin.

Smarten up.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Laugh away. Why the heck should I care if you laugh?

You shouldn't. Just making sure we are crystal clear that you do not have any actual scientific evidence for your nonsense.

Again, stay out of that arena, and you wont get laughed out of the room.

I will also not attempt to teach Sunday school.

 

[Quantrill]

You shouldn't. Just making sure we are crystal clear that you do not have any actual scientific evidence for your nonsense.

Again, stay out of that arena, and you wont get laughed out of the room.

I will also not attempt to teach Sunday school.

I don't need any scientific evidence. Which is not reliable anyway. They always change their mind as they learn something else. But feel free to trust science. Pluto used to be a planet.

Let's see, the arena I am in is called 'Religion and Ethics'. Seems like I am in the right arena. Seems like you are lost. Yet you atheists like to come into our arena and then tell us to stay out of yours. What a joke you are.

I couldn't see an 'arena' for you 'science types'. Must not be much interest there. Understandable. What does science have to offer in the things that matter?

I did see an 'arena' labeled 'philosophy'. Perhaps you should go there and peddle your goods. After all, science is nothing but philosophy. That is it's parent. And it remains true to it's heritage today.

You don't have the ability to teach a Sunday School at any grade level. Again, why are you here in the religious arena?

Whatever reason you are here you have failed miserably. Best leave now. It will only get worse for you.

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[Fort Fun Indiana]

I don't need any scientific evidence. Which is not reliable anyway. They always change their mind as they learn something else. But feel free to trust science. Pluto used to be a planet.

Let's see, the arena I am in is called 'Religion and Ethics'. Seems like I am in the right arena. Seems like you are lost. Yet you atheists like to come into our arena and then tell us to stay out of yours. What a joke you are.

I couldn't see an 'arena' for you 'science types'. Must not be much interest there. Understandable. What does science have to offer in the things that matter?

I did see an 'arena' labeled 'philosophy'. Perhaps you should go there and peddle your goods. After all, science is nothing but philosophy. That is it's parent. And it remains true to it's heritage today.

You don't have the ability to teach a Sunday School at any grade level. Again, why are you here in the religious arena?

Whatever reason you are here you have failed miserably. Best leave now. It will only get worse for you.

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The arena to which is refer is science. And yes, science gets discussed on this section of the board, when someone breaches the topic.

Please stop whining. Thanks.

 

[hobelim]

Let's see, the arena I am in is called 'Religion and Ethics'. Seems like I am in the right arena.

Yes and your ethics are in question. Actually no. With your own words, your professed religious beliefs, in spite of all of the scientific biological historical and literary evidence provided, have been exposed as extremely unethical.

An actor and lying fraud. Just not a very good one, trying too dismiss well know scientific facts about reality as a fantasy and pass off your delusion as the truth. If you don't want to held to account, go to church and blubber on your knees till kingdom come about how much you love a trinity and its mangod. No one will bother you there.

Science is questionable but what you profess to "believe" that contradicts reality is not questionable? Right. So stop whining. There isn't a damn thing you can do about it. Your sorcery has absolutely no effect on the rational.

 

[BreezeWood]

They both used to be heavenly beings. When Lucifer (Satan) rebelled against the Father in Heaven, he was escorted out from heaven and down into the earth without a physical body along with a third of the other spirit children of Heavenly Father. He is no longer heavenly.

is your claim, christianity before or after a&e ...

were there any validity for your accusation to begin with - contrary for those that reside in the heavens having triumphed over evil to get there.

 

[Cougarbear]

And you still get a sunburn.

And not that doesnt allow you to liveto 900 years old.

I'm not giving any more attention to your freakish delusions.

At a much slower rate. Sorry you can't comprehend simple easy to know science. I'll just point out some things you could have googled as well:
A. Excessive UV radiation, especially from the sun and sunbeds, is a known carcinogen that can damage DNA. This damage contributes to premature skin aging and increases the risk of developing skin cancer, which can shorten one's life. For example, the rate of skin cancer diagnoses has increased, primarily due to altered sunbathing habits and greater exposure to UV.
B. Several studies have found that avoiding sun exposure can increase the risk of death from causes other than skin cancer.
C. One study from Norway found that people born during years with high solar activity had a shorter lifespan, showing that UV effects can vary based on timing and intensity.

With that said, there are other things to consider like Vitamin D and other issues as well. Safest to say, it all worked out well for those born between Adam and Eve and Noah's Flood. They lived longer.

 

[Cougarbear]

from the heavens ... c-bear the judas.

You don't believe in the Bible. So, why call me Judas?

 

[Cougarbear]

is your claim, christianity before or after a&e ...

were there any validity for your accusation to begin with - contrary for those that reside in the heavens having triumphed over evil to get there.

Not claim. It's biblical fact and also Latter-day Saints prophet's facts too. You have yet provided us with where you are getting your philosophies of man from.

 

[BreezeWood]

You don't believe in the Bible. So, why call me Judas?

judas has nothing to do w/ the christian bible ... and everything to do w/ the 1st century refutation of judaism their false commandments, hereditary idolatry, religion of apartheid et al - as well assimilated by christianity.

 

[Cougarbear]

judas has nothing to do w/ the christian bible ... and everything to do w/ the 1st century refutation of judaism their false commandments, hereditary idolatry, religion of apartheid et al - as well assimilated by christianity.

So, your books of reference are from the stupid fake gospels of Thomas, Mary and Judas? LOL!!! Talk about false idolatry religion.

 

[Quantrill]

The arena to which is refer is science. And yes, science gets discussed on this section of the board, when someone breaches the topic.

Please stop whining. Thanks.

Science is discussed in this arena of religion when atheist's want to ***** and move into an arena where they have no business. Stich to your arena of philosophy and peddle your wares, and give your worthless advice. Though none are there to listen, because after all...who cares what you have to say...which is why you come over here.

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