Welfare moms bring out the Republican in me

[beowolfe]

Why am I an idiot? Are you pregnant?

You are an idiot because you freely admit that you were raised by a single mom (did she get help from the government?) If not, then you are an idiot because you don't realize that 'but for the grace of God go I'. Do you understand now?

 

[beowolfe]

Do any of you understand what happens when you are on Tanff and do not have a medical release from not working?

I don't think that they do. TANF is not the welfare program they all think it is.

 

[Luissa]

Do any of you understand what happens when you are on Tanff and do not have a medical release from not working?

I don't think that they do. TANF is not the welfare program they all think it is.

Nope! You pretty much are working a full time job while on Tanff. You have to do 8hrs of job seach every day, log that job search, and turn in your logs every day. If you miss too much time, they will cut your benefits. If you do most of your searching at home, they will cut your childcare.

 

[Bern80]

This is one those threads that can be laugh out loud funny at times in spite of the tragic situation. But I often wonder why those who find anger in a poor person feeding their children, doesn't feel anger over the rich who provide themselves with golden parachutes as they fail their workers and the nation? Or the cheats who steal millions and often get off away with it because they are part of the powerful. If we assume the mantel of moral sage we should apply that wonderful gift to all.

The Conservative Nanny State


Is it moral, for instance, that a company as rich as Walmart pays low wages, allows short hours, and insures workers with the corporation as beneficiary? Is that some thing to direct your moral outrage at, should be. The poor mom only repeats a life none of us want.

"The Walton family, heirs to the Wal-Mart fortune and one of the wealthiest families in the United States, eventually could receive an estimated tax break of $32.7 billion under a proposal in the budget that President Bush submitted to Congress. The Waltons would win from a repeal of the inheritance tax. In fact, the top 1 percent of income earners would continue to benefit from tax breaks in the budget.The losers: seniors on Medicare, veterans seeking health care, home owners struggling to pay heating bills, grandchildren stuck with cleaning up all the red ink Bush has spilled... It is a "disastrous budget" Senator Bernie Sanders told the White House budget chief at a Senate hearing. The senator lamented what he called the budget's "lack of moral values."

They get angery because people like you don't hold them accountable. It's NEVER their fault is it? You would have a point if being poor could always be chalked up to bad luck. But that simply isn't reality. People are where they are because of the choices they make and certain people like the OP and myself simply see giving single mothers all this stuff as essentially awarding bad behavior.

The left claims to be compassioniate about helping the poor and single mothers. The problem is in how they solve the problem which is generally just throw money at it. They don't acknowledge the behavior component of individuals and thus don't hold them accountable and then have the nerve to wonder why things don't change for these people. Thanks to the libs we now live in a society that punishes success and rewards failure and they wonder why more people are failing.

 

[Luissa]

This is one those threads that can be laugh out loud funny at times in spite of the tragic situation. But I often wonder why those who find anger in a poor person feeding their children, doesn't feel anger over the rich who provide themselves with golden parachutes as they fail their workers and the nation? Or the cheats who steal millions and often get off away with it because they are part of the powerful. If we assume the mantel of moral sage we should apply that wonderful gift to all.

The Conservative Nanny State


Is it moral, for instance, that a company as rich as Walmart pays low wages, allows short hours, and insures workers with the corporation as beneficiary? Is that some thing to direct your moral outrage at, should be. The poor mom only repeats a life none of us want.

"The Walton family, heirs to the Wal-Mart fortune and one of the wealthiest families in the United States, eventually could receive an estimated tax break of $32.7 billion under a proposal in the budget that President Bush submitted to Congress. The Waltons would win from a repeal of the inheritance tax. In fact, the top 1 percent of income earners would continue to benefit from tax breaks in the budget.The losers: seniors on Medicare, veterans seeking health care, home owners struggling to pay heating bills, grandchildren stuck with cleaning up all the red ink Bush has spilled... It is a "disastrous budget" Senator Bernie Sanders told the White House budget chief at a Senate hearing. The senator lamented what he called the budget's "lack of moral values."

They get angery because people like you don't hold them accountable. It's NEVER their fault is it? You would have a point if being poor could always be chalked up to bad luck. But that simply isn't reality. People are wherethey are because of the choices they make and certain people like the OP and myself simply see giving single mothers all this stuff as essentially awarding bad behavior.

The left claims to be compassioniate about helping the poor and single mothers. The problem is in how they solve the problem which is generally just throw money at it. They don't acknowledge the behavior component of individuals and this don't hold them accountable and then have the nerve to wonder why things don't change for these people.

What about the dad's? Everyone talks shit about single mom's, but what about the dad's who are not taking care of their children?

 

[beowolfe]

Do any of you understand what happens when you are on Tanff and do not have a medical release from not working?

I don't think that they do. TANF is not the welfare program they all think it is.

Nope! You pretty much are working a full time job while on Tanff. You have to do 8hrs of job seach every day, log that job search, and turn in your logs every day. If you miss too much time, they will cut your benefits. If you do most of your searching at home, they will cut your childcare.

And if you have not finished high school, you must enroll into GED classes and if you don't attend, they cut your childcare and your cash stipend, which for one child was $241 per month (I don't know if it's been raised or not).

 

[SuMar]

let the baby starve, how sad your life is that welfare mom's are your competition. You can and should strive for better.

Well if the girl can't afford to feed her child, then she should put it up for adoption. The baby won't starve. And if she kept the baby and allowed her baby to go hungry, then child services can come in and place the child.

 

[SuMar]

It's easy as shit to get rich and your whining about welfare moms. How much schooling do you have. There are 8 million millionaires, wow take that candy and food from the baby.
Don't bother even looking at the military budget.

So millionaires are responsible for someone else's careless mistake? You choose your own station in life, if you get pregnant, then you should be ready to take care of the child yourself and if you can't, then their are plenty of couples out there more than willing and able to raise a child.

 

[rightwinger]

I live in a state with an unusually high rate of teenage pregnancy, and pregnancy before the age of 25 and out of wedlock. You would be appalled by what is handed out to these girls, who are rewarded for being socially irresonspible. I fail to understand why I, at 23 and working fulltime since the day i turned 18, who does the responsible thing and wears a condom, gets nothing, while a significant portion of my taxes pays for young, ignorant mom to get free everything - free housing, free food, free medical, free college.
Why is my apartment $600 a month, and hers $50? Why do I have to pay for college and she doesn't? I was raised, by my single, WORKING, 36 year old mother when i was born, that it's a disgrace to have a kid when you cant take care of yourself. She never got W.I.C. and food stamps and all that shit. It's a disgrace because you become a sponge. And what kind of message does it send to teenage girls? That it's okay to get knocked up and keep your baby, because Uncle Sam will give you a free ride?
Let's criminalize poor, unwed, young mothers for having children. CONTRACEPTION IS READILY AVAILABLE

You know what?

I would still rather be in your situation than hers

 

[rdean]

We are the richest country in the history of man. We spend trillions to bomb people of color, and your major problem is poor children being fed by welfare. SAD

Spoken by a man who's major problem is that he can't buy pot legally.

South Carolina Lt. Governor Andre Bauer, who hopes to succeed fellow Republican Mark Sanford as his state's governor, drew a comparison between government help for poor people and "feeding stray animals" – who, he noted, "breed."

S.C. Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer Compares Helping Poor to Feeding Stray Animals - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Obviously "starvation" is good for the country.

I told you Republicans had a "plan".

 

[California Girl]

We are the richest country in the history of man. We spend trillions to bomb people of color, and your major problem is poor children being fed by welfare. SAD

Spoken by a man who's major problem is that he can't buy pot legally.

South Carolina Lt. Governor Andre Bauer, who hopes to succeed fellow Republican Mark Sanford as his state's governor, drew a comparison between government help for poor people and "feeding stray animals" – who, he noted, "breed."

S.C. Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer Compares Helping Poor to Feeding Stray Animals - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Obviously "starvation" is good for the country.

I told you Republicans had a "plan".

With obesity rates the way they are, a lot of Americans could do with a little 'starvation'.

 

[Bern80]

What about the dad's? Everyone talks shit about single mom's, but what about the dad's who are not taking care of their children?

Oh can talk plenty of shit about them too. I would make the as financally responsible as the law allows.

 

[Luissa]

I don't think that they do. TANF is not the welfare program they all think it is.

Nope! You pretty much are working a full time job while on Tanff. You have to do 8hrs of job seach every day, log that job search, and turn in your logs every day. If you miss too much time, they will cut your benefits. If you do most of your searching at home, they will cut your childcare.

And if you have not finished high school, you must enroll into GED classes and if you don't attend, they cut your childcare and your cash stipend, which for one child was $241 per month (I don't know if it's been raised or not).

I know in my state you have to be enrolled in a vocational program and work at least 24 hrs a week for them to pay for your childcare if you are going to school. So, right now I might be getting help with school but I have to pay the $986 for childcare myself. My son even receives therapy at the Head Start program he is enrolled in. And my mom has to watch him while I am at work. Which is fine, but I think it is crap they will pay for child care if you are going to be a dental assistant, but not if you are working on you BA.
They are telling single mom's, go to school, but don't be too successful. I think the state would more likely have to help a dental assistant later on, rather than someone who has their BA.

 

[Luissa]

What about the dad's? Everyone talks shit about single mom's, but what about the dad's who are not taking care of their children?

Oh can talk plenty of shit about them too. I would make the as financally responsible as the law allows.

While a mother is on Tanff the father has to pay what he can back to the state for that assistance.

 

[rightwinger]

What about the dad's? Everyone talks shit about single mom's, but what about the dad's who are not taking care of their children?

Oh can talk plenty of shit about them too. I would make the as financally responsible as the law allows.

While a mother is on Tanff the father has to pay what he can back to the state for that assistance.

Single moms should be required to name the father of their child to get more than bare bones benefits. Then the state should go after the fathers to pay those benefits.

 

[Bern80]

What about the dad's? Everyone talks shit about single mom's, but what about the dad's who are not taking care of their children?

Oh can talk plenty of shit about them too. I would make the as financally responsible as the law allows.

While a mother is on Tanff the father has to pay what he can back to the state for that assistance.

I think an argument could be made that the law is not tough enough on the fathers. My point it does take two to tango as they say. And in solving the problem of underage pregancy part of the solution really needs to involve holding people and their behavior accountable. If you don't it's not going to get any better and if you esentially are rewarding people with things they would have otherwise had to pay for had they not engaged in said poor behavior, it's only going to get worse.

 

[shintao]

No. You're the most indebted nation in the history of the world and when your Chinese masters say it's time, you'll see hyperinflation that you wont even believe.
Ya better make 100 grand a year, or more, or you'll all be starving with the little niglets.
You've been at war with China for 60 years and now it's official. Your ass has been kicked.

A stark reality, slap in the face, shocking statement. You just made me think cold war being on the other foot.

 

[shintao]

Oh can talk plenty of shit about them too. I would make the as financally responsible as the law allows.

While a mother is on Tanff the father has to pay what he can back to the state for that assistance.

Single moms should be required to name the father of their child to get more than bare bones benefits. Then the state should go after the fathers to pay those benefits.

While I sympathize with your idea, do you have any idea what the cost & return is for this going after fathers?? I don't, but it can't be cheap running federal & state agencies to track dead beat fathers, poverty & rich fathers around the world. Then there is the issues of punitive laws & courts & lost productivity due to laws, etc.

There are generational deadbeat dads/moms

 

[California Girl]

Nope! You pretty much are working a full time job while on Tanff. You have to do 8hrs of job seach every day, log that job search, and turn in your logs every day. If you miss too much time, they will cut your benefits. If you do most of your searching at home, they will cut your childcare.

And if you have not finished high school, you must enroll into GED classes and if you don't attend, they cut your childcare and your cash stipend, which for one child was $241 per month (I don't know if it's been raised or not).

I know in my state you have to be enrolled in a vocational program and work at least 24 hrs a week for them to pay for your childcare if you are going to school. So, right now I might be getting help with school but I have to pay the $986 for childcare myself. My son even receives therapy at the Head Start program he is enrolled in. And my mom has to watch him while I am at work. Which is fine, but I think it is crap they will pay for child care if you are going to be a dental assistant, but not if you are working on you BA.
They are telling single mom's, go to school, but don't be too successful. I think the state would more likely have to help a dental assistant later on, rather than someone who has there BA.

Yea, I agree that we need to provide a better way for single Moms so they can continue their education. Why? Because they'll achieve more with a better education than without.

 

[uscitizen]

And if you have not finished high school, you must enroll into GED classes and if you don't attend, they cut your childcare and your cash stipend, which for one child was $241 per month (I don't know if it's been raised or not).

I know in my state you have to be enrolled in a vocational program and work at least 24 hrs a week for them to pay for your childcare if you are going to school. So, right now I might be getting help with school but I have to pay the $986 for childcare myself. My son even receives therapy at the Head Start program he is enrolled in. And my mom has to watch him while I am at work. Which is fine, but I think it is crap they will pay for child care if you are going to be a dental assistant, but not if you are working on you BA.
They are telling single mom's, go to school, but don't be too successful. I think the state would more likely have to help a dental assistant later on, rather than someone who has there BA.

Yea, I agree that we need to provide a better way for single Moms so they can continue their education. Why? Because they'll achieve more with a better education than without.

But that is socialist