Welfare for Weed: Colorado Allows EBT Withdrawals at Pot Shops

[Daktoria]

I get it, they're victims. You didn't answer the question though. Is getting them high going to help them in their plight?

You're assuming the goal is to help someone.

That's not necessarily the case. It can also be to treat someone.

Treat as to provide sometime of relief, right? In other words a form of help, right?

No.

Help is when you solve problems.

Treatment is when you deal with problems because they're not being solved.

Solving these problems goes beyond the scope of welfare.

 

[Daktoria]

Those poor people. Being forced to smoke weed because they were from broken homes.......boo hoo....

You don't believe in family values?

 

[Clementine]

Is this really a problem?

Rugged individualism has destroyed objective morality, heritage, narrative, story, customs, culture, and tradition.

In other words, people have become social rejects, and they're looking for an escape. Why shouldn't welfare users be allowed to use drugs? Do you really expect them to apply themselves to become successful after society has treated them like garbage?

Don't get me wrong. I don't support welfare, and I don't support drug usage.

However, I don't support people treating each other like garbage either, especially when they're born into dysfunctional households and undisciplined school districts where people don't "find themselves" in society.

There is so much wrong with what you just posted. I'll focus on just one. You think the pot escape is going to help them with their situation?

I think society doesn't want to help them. Instead, it simply blames the victim, ignoring how many people become ruined not because of not working hard or smart, but because of negligence and abuse.

If society wants to make a difference, it would expect people to graduate philosophical rites of passage before being allowed to participate in the public sphere, but instead of recognizing objective morals, it insists on rugged individualism instead.

There are countless programs to help these people and nothing has worked. I don't buy that the majority are abused or even hated. It's government who created this vicious cycle of welfare parents raising more welfare recipients. It's government that has helped ruined the family unit and encourages dependency.

The result is people who rely on government rather than on their own good judgment. Allowing drugs to be purchased with EBT cards will only make the problem worse. Like parents who put their foot down and get youngsters to toe the line, government needs to nudge people off of welfare by setting rules and strongly enforcing welfare to work. People should be required to attend classes if they need to get a GED and they should be encouraged to at least go to trade school. The government programs, which cost billions, are already in place, but clearly they need to change their strategy.

When will politicians admit that the current system makes the problem worse? Throwing more money at it isn't the answer. No one holds people accountable for their own actions. The best way to teach responsibility is to give people responsibility and let them know they need to better themselves. No one can do it for them.

Instead of looking the other way when people use welfare money for pot, which will make their lives even more pathetic, how about going the other way and actually expecting people to act like adults and make better choices. They, and the rest of us, will win.

Handing down ultimatums might be the answer. They will get their shit together if they want to survive and have some kind of meaningful life. If they need therapy, fine. If they are just being irresponsible, it's butt kicking time. They'd hate it, but would be grateful later on.

 

[Rocko]

You're assuming the goal is to help someone.

That's not necessarily the case. It can also be to treat someone.

Treat as to provide sometime of relief, right? In other words a form of help, right?

No.

Help is when you solve problems.

Treatment is when you deal with problems because they're not being solved.

Solving these problems goes beyond the scope of welfare.

Rather than treating their problems did you ever think for second that drugs just exacerbate them?

 

[Duped]

Is this really a problem?

Rugged individualism has destroyed objective morality, heritage, narrative, story, customs, culture, and tradition.

In other words, people have become social rejects, and they're looking for an escape. Why shouldn't welfare users be allowed to use drugs? Do you really expect them to apply themselves to become successful after society has treated them like garbage?

Don't get me wrong. I don't support welfare, and I don't support drug usage.

However, I don't support people treating each other like garbage either, especially when they're born into dysfunctional households and undisciplined school districts where people don't "find themselves" in society.

The parents need to be punished, or there needs to be a criteria met before you can procreate. You cannot punish the innocent hard working tax payer! Society doesn't owe them shit - you do the best with what you got, and be thankful for it.

Parents won't be punished because society doesn't want to admit that the real problem is a lack of maturity before entertaining libidos. Instead, people just want to get their rocks off, and anyone who gets in the way is lashed out against.

The criteria question gets challenged by "Whose criteria?"

As for society not owing people, you're admitting that it's tolerable to impose environmental inequality on people. In other words, people shouldn't be judged based on who's on the inside that counts, but based on whether or not they're lucky enough to live in compatible environments. Those who are unlucky effectively become enslaved to the lucky.

Luck is irrelevent - you do the best with what you have. Anyone who applies themself can make a life for themselves in the USA. They can join the military at 17! Most of the so called lucky were diligent, and availed themselves to oppertunity. Pitting one class of people against another is bullshit - anyone can get rich! Performance is what counts - we live in a competetive world. This is a capitalist society. If someones parents did not prepare them for it then that is the parents fault - tough luck; no excuse!

 

[Sunni Man]

I would venture to say that the majority of the EBT card holders using their cards at the cannabis store are also on unemployment and are supposed to be looking for a job.

But lets face it.

Stoned out people aren't interested in working a job. ..

 

[Zander]

Those poor people. Being forced to smoke weed because they were from broken homes.......boo hoo....

You don't believe in family values?

Depends upon the family.

I believe in self reliance and rugged individualism. Others believe in dependency and Collectivism.

 

[Zander]

I would venture to say that the majority of the EBT card holders using their cards at the cannabis store are also on unemployment and are supposed to be looking for a job.

But lets face it.

Stoned out people aren't interested in working a job. ..

Why bother? 99 weeks baby!! pass the dutchie...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFtLONl4cNc]Musical Youth Pass the Dutchie - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Daktoria]

There is so much wrong with what you just posted. I'll focus on just one. You think the pot escape is going to help them with their situation?

I think society doesn't want to help them. Instead, it simply blames the victim, ignoring how many people become ruined not because of not working hard or smart, but because of negligence and abuse.

If society wants to make a difference, it would expect people to graduate philosophical rites of passage before being allowed to participate in the public sphere, but instead of recognizing objective morals, it insists on rugged individualism instead.

There are countless programs to help these people and nothing has worked. I don't buy that the majority are abused or even hated. It's government who created this vicious cycle of welfare parents raising more welfare recipients. It's government that has helped ruined the family unit and encourages dependency.

The result is people who rely on government rather than on their own good judgment. Allowing drugs to be purchased with EBT cards will only make the problem worse. Like parents who put their foot down and get youngsters to toe the line, government needs to nudge people off of welfare by setting rules and strongly enforcing welfare to work. People should be required to attend classes if they need to get a GED and they should be encouraged to at least go to trade school. The government programs, which cost billions, are already in place, but clearly they need to change their strategy.

When will politicians admit that the current system makes the problem worse? Throwing more money at it isn't the answer. No one holds people accountable for their own actions. The best way to teach responsibility is to give people responsibility and let them know they need to better themselves. No one can do it for them.

Instead of looking the other way when people use welfare money for pot, which will make their lives even more pathetic, how about going the other way and actually expecting people to act like adults and make better choices. They, and the rest of us, will win.

I agree that social programs don't help.

However, you're assuming that this is necessarily a vicious cycle of welfare babies making more welfare babies.

That's not necessarily the case. For example: [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Coming-Apart-State-America-1960-2010/dp/030745343X]Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960-2010: Charles Murray: 9780307453433: Amazon.com: Books[/ame]

The culture of dysfunctional households goes beyond government.

The work ethic oriented ideology you support also doesn't help. If anything, it hurts because it anti-intellectually sabotages potential. Children aren't supposed to be focusing on working straight out of the gate, and if anything, you come off rather socialist as if you believe the strength of labor is everything.

What you said about GEDs isn't necessarily applicable either. For example, there are lots of college grads these days who are ending up unemployed because academia has become so remedial and anti-intellectually obsessed with teaching nonsense.

People use drugs in order to escape these problems which aren't being solved. Should these people have to solve the problems themselves? No. They didn't create them in the first place. They were forcefully born into unraveled social fabric. Expecting them to solve these problems is like saying its OK to create problems, and push them onto other people rather than people being held responsible for their actions.

As long as those problems aren't being solved by those who are supposed to be solving them, drug usage can be used (among other things) to escape them.

 

[Daktoria]

Those poor people. Being forced to smoke weed because they were from broken homes.......boo hoo....

You don't believe in family values?

Depends upon the family.

I believe in self reliance and rugged individualism. Others believe in dependency and Collectivism.

...and others believe in objective morality which includes caring about the children because children don't consent to exist. They are born dependent.

Those children who fall through the cracks of society because it doesn't assimilate them despite being taken hostage into society shouldn't be left to suffer.

 

[Daktoria]

The parents need to be punished, or there needs to be a criteria met before you can procreate. You cannot punish the innocent hard working tax payer! Society doesn't owe them shit - you do the best with what you got, and be thankful for it.

Parents won't be punished because society doesn't want to admit that the real problem is a lack of maturity before entertaining libidos. Instead, people just want to get their rocks off, and anyone who gets in the way is lashed out against.

The criteria question gets challenged by "Whose criteria?"

As for society not owing people, you're admitting that it's tolerable to impose environmental inequality on people. In other words, people shouldn't be judged based on who's on the inside that counts, but based on whether or not they're lucky enough to live in compatible environments. Those who are unlucky effectively become enslaved to the lucky.

Luck is irrelevent - you do the best with what you have. Anyone who applies themself can make a life for themselves in the USA. They can join the military at 17! Most of the so called lucky were diligent, and availed themselves to oppertunity. Pitting one class of people against another is bullshit - anyone can get rich! Performance is what counts - we live in a competetive world. This is a capitalist society. If someones parents did not prepare them for it then that is the parents fault - tough luck; no excuse!

You think it's fair for people to risk their lives to defend a society which rejected them upon birth?

This isn't about class. It's about culture.

 

[Zander]

You don't believe in family values?

Depends upon the family.

I believe in self reliance and rugged individualism. Others believe in dependency and Collectivism.

...and others believe in objective morality which includes caring about the children because children don't consent to exist. They are born dependent.

Those children who fall through the cracks of society because it doesn't assimilate them despite being taken hostage into society shouldn't be left to suffer.

Children are not buying weed with EBT Cards. Adults are.

 

[Daktoria]

Those are adults who grew up from being children.

How would you like it if you lived in a dysfunctional household growing up, yet despite applying yourself honestly, you never became successful because people who lived from functional households treated you like garbage?

Then, they tell you to appreciate what you got and that society owes you nothing. However, you go on welfare, but you're demoralized, and you're unfamiliar with how to otherwise entertain yourself in order to escape problems which you didn't create in the first place.

Sounds really fair, doesn't it?

 

[Rocko]

Treat as to provide sometime of relief, right? In other words a form of help, right?

No.

Help is when you solve problems.

Treatment is when you deal with problems because they're not being solved.

Solving these problems goes beyond the scope of welfare.

Rather than treating their problems did you ever think for second that drugs just exacerbate them?

The reason why I ask this question is I believe the main victims here are not only the everyday taxpayers, to me that's secondary, the real victims are the welfare recipients, who I too feel compassion for. Drugs aren't a longterm or temporary solution for them. It will only make them worse off.

 

[Duped]

Parents won't be punished because society doesn't want to admit that the real problem is a lack of maturity before entertaining libidos. Instead, people just want to get their rocks off, and anyone who gets in the way is lashed out against.

The criteria question gets challenged by "Whose criteria?"

As for society not owing people, you're admitting that it's tolerable to impose environmental inequality on people. In other words, people shouldn't be judged based on who's on the inside that counts, but based on whether or not they're lucky enough to live in compatible environments. Those who are unlucky effectively become enslaved to the lucky.

Luck is irrelevent - you do the best with what you have. Anyone who applies themself can make a life for themselves in the USA. They can join the military at 17! Most of the so called lucky were diligent, and availed themselves to oppertunity. Pitting one class of people against another is bullshit - anyone can get rich! Performance is what counts - we live in a competetive world. This is a capitalist society. If someones parents did not prepare them for it then that is the parents fault - tough luck; no excuse!

You think it's fair for people to risk their lives to defend a society which rejected them upon birth?

This isn't about class. It's about culture.

You play the hand your dealt. Their parents may have rejected them. Society is just an aggregate of indivisuals who should do the best they can; personal responsibility. If the whole world rejects you, you run with that. There are a plethora of excuses for failure - none for success!
Yes, everyone should serve their country - think not what your country can do for you, think what you can do ... No one should be buying recreational pot with other people's money.

 

[Daktoria]

No.

Help is when you solve problems.

Treatment is when you deal with problems because they're not being solved.

Solving these problems goes beyond the scope of welfare.

Rather than treating their problems did you ever think for second that drugs just exacerbate them?

The reason why I ask this question is I believe the main victims here are not only the everyday taxpayers, to me that's secondary, the real victims are the welfare recipients, who I too feel compassion for. Drugs aren't a longterm or temporary solution for them. It will only make them worse off.

Sorry. I didn't see what you wrote before.

I think any form of entertainment can exacerbate the issue from people being spoiled into addiction.

What makes drugs so special?

 

[Daktoria]

Luck is irrelevent - you do the best with what you have. Anyone who applies themself can make a life for themselves in the USA. They can join the military at 17! Most of the so called lucky were diligent, and availed themselves to oppertunity. Pitting one class of people against another is bullshit - anyone can get rich! Performance is what counts - we live in a competetive world. This is a capitalist society. If someones parents did not prepare them for it then that is the parents fault - tough luck; no excuse!

You think it's fair for people to risk their lives to defend a society which rejected them upon birth?

This isn't about class. It's about culture.

You play the hand your dealt. Their parents may have rejected them. Society is just an aggregate of indivisuals who should do the best they can; personal responsibility. If the whole world rejects you, you run with that. There are a plethora of excuses for failure - none for success!
Yes, everyone should serve their country - think not what your country can do for you, think what you can do ... No one should be buying recreational pot with other people's money.

There is no personal responsibility by default. People are responsible for their actions, but people don't act to give birth to themselves. If anything, they're hostages in society and are entitled to rectification of that injustice.

That means they're entitled to heritage, narrative, story, custom, culture, and tradition which inspire them to apply themselves, and they're entitled to objective morals to ensure they're treated with respect when applying themselves.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Okay, people are using their EBT cards at pot shop ATMs. Of course, Dems are claiming that it's only because there just aren't enough ATM machines and would have us believe that people are only going to the pot shops to get cash because it's convenient. Yea, right.

So if they can't withdraw the money at a marijuana store ATM what is to stop them from going to the bank across the street, using their ATM, and walking back over to buy pot? Do you really think it matters?

Why are welfare people getting cash out at all?

Exactly. That's the bigger question I have, not where they are withdrawing it from, but why at all.

 

[Rocko]

Rather than treating their problems did you ever think for second that drugs just exacerbate them?

The reason why I ask this question is I believe the main victims here are not only the everyday taxpayers, to me that's secondary, the real victims are the welfare recipients, who I too feel compassion for. Drugs aren't a longterm or temporary solution for them. It will only make them worse off.

Sorry. I didn't see what you wrote before.

I think any form of entertainment can exacerbate the issue from people being spoiled into addiction.

What makes drugs so special?

No problem.

Well if you think drug use is benign then maybe you better do some research on the subject. I don't mean that in a condescending way.

 

[Duped]

You think it's fair for people to risk their lives to defend a society which rejected them upon birth?

This isn't about class. It's about culture.

You play the hand your dealt. Their parents may have rejected them. Society is just an aggregate of indivisuals who should do the best they can; personal responsibility. If the whole world rejects you, you run with that. There are a plethora of excuses for failure - none for success!
Yes, everyone should serve their country - think not what your country can do for you, think what you can do ... No one should be buying recreational pot with other people's money.

There is no personal responsibility by default. People are responsible for their actions, but people don't act to give birth to themselves. If anything, they're hostages in society and are entitled to rectification of that injustice.

That means they're entitled to heritage, narrative, story, custom, culture, and tradition which inspire them to apply themselves, and they're entitled to objective morals to ensure they're treated with respect when applying themselves.

They are not entitled to shit - they should be thankful for the air they breath.