Both of those nominations are illegal, because Trump himself is illegal.
We will get him THIS time....
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We'll, you tell me.?You were the one asking about when the impeachment begins.
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Obviously, this issue is still going way over your head. Once it is determined that the money was paid by Trump, there is no crime in the hush money payments.So why didn't he want the payment to Daniels to be public? To avoid problems with his wife? To avoid personal embarrassment? To prevent it from being an election issue? It's all guesswork, and regardless of the reason, it is not a crime.We know what it was for. The question is, how come it wasn't reported on a financial disclosure? Answer, because Trump wanted the payment to Stormy Daniels to be hidden. That is why he lied about the payment on Air Force One. And that ties into what Cohen's checks were for.lol How do we know what this check was for?
"Here are the six most explosive revelations in Cohen’s opening remarks to Congress:
The hush money check: "'I am providing a copy of a $35,000 check that President Trump personally signed from his personal bank account on August 1, 2017 — when he was President of the United States — pursuant to the cover-up,' Cohen said."
6 explosive revelations from former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's testimony to CongressIt doesn't matter what Trump's motives were for engaging in election fraud, and there's no "guesswork" involved about what the consequences will be.
A new report says Trump was directly involved in campaign finance crimes
"So what does all this mean for Trump?
To get a sense of what prosecutors might be driving at, it’s useful to review the specific campaign finance charges Cohen pleaded guilty to back in August.
First was 'causing an unlawful corporate contribution' to a federal campaign.
"Prosecutors alleged that Cohen 'caused' AMI’s $150,000 payment to Karen McDougal, and that that violated the law because it was effectively a campaign contribution for Trump, in excess of the legal limit on what a corporation like AMI is permitted to give to a campaign.
"Second was that Cohen made an 'excessive campaign contribution' himself, by paying $130,000 to Stormy Daniels.
"This, too, was effectively a campaign contribution for Trump above what Cohen was permitted to give, prosecutors said.
"Now, prosecutors have amassed evidence Trump — Cohen’s employer — was personally involved in and informed about both of these payments, and was encouraging Cohen to make them happen.
"So it certainly seems that Trump himself may be vulnerable to similar charges, considering how involved he was in both of these payments."
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It is the responsibility of the campaign to report all contributions, and if it fails to, it is a civil matter that is handled with a fine, not a criminal matter.
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First, it is the responsibility of the campaign to report contributions and every campaign is fined after an election for not reporting all contributions. Second, while Cohen claims that in his mind the hush money payments were campaign contributions, there has been no legal finding that they were not strictly for personal reasons.One thing for sure, you know zip about the law. Hiding the payment from a financial disclosure is a federal crime.So why didn't he want the payment to Daniels to be public? To avoid problems with his wife? To avoid personal embarrassment? To prevent it from being an election issue? It's all guesswork, and regardless of the reason, it is not a crime.We know what it was for. The question is, how come it wasn't reported on a financial disclosure? Answer, because Trump wanted the payment to Stormy Daniels to be hidden. That is why he lied about the payment on Air Force One. And that ties into what Cohen's checks were for.lol How do we know what this check was for?
"Here are the six most explosive revelations in Cohen’s opening remarks to Congress:
The hush money check: "'I am providing a copy of a $35,000 check that President Trump personally signed from his personal bank account on August 1, 2017 — when he was President of the United States — pursuant to the cover-up,' Cohen said."
6 explosive revelations from former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's testimony to Congress
And how many people would have changed their votes, knowing he had paid off porn stars before an election? Exactly, we don't. That leaves a big hole in the "we don't know", making this an unfair election. We have the right, as voters, to see the results of that vote count, that never will take place. That right was stripped from eligible voters.
Finally, how many people would have changed their vote if they had known about the hush money before the election? Exactly zero, since the issue is of interest only to people like yourself who are rabidly opposed to the President for other reasons.
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The court hasn't declared that crime as being guilty, but for the same exact crime that he initiated and signed the checks for, that Cohen is going to prison for, doesn't give Trump immunity against the same crime he engineered.
Your ignorance is off the charts, because you do not understand the statute as written. You really do not have a clue. How stupid do you have to be not to understand that Cohen is going to prison for a crime Trump engineered, and signed for? Pretty damn stupid.First, it is the responsibility of the campaign to report contributions and every campaign is fined after an election for not reporting all contributions. Second, while Cohen claims that in his mind the hush money payments were campaign contributions, there has been no legal finding that they were not strictly for personal reasons.One thing for sure, you know zip about the law. Hiding the payment from a financial disclosure is a federal crime.So why didn't he want the payment to Daniels to be public? To avoid problems with his wife? To avoid personal embarrassment? To prevent it from being an election issue? It's all guesswork, and regardless of the reason, it is not a crime.We know what it was for. The question is, how come it wasn't reported on a financial disclosure? Answer, because Trump wanted the payment to Stormy Daniels to be hidden. That is why he lied about the payment on Air Force One. And that ties into what Cohen's checks were for.lol How do we know what this check was for?
"Here are the six most explosive revelations in Cohen’s opening remarks to Congress:
The hush money check: "'I am providing a copy of a $35,000 check that President Trump personally signed from his personal bank account on August 1, 2017 — when he was President of the United States — pursuant to the cover-up,' Cohen said."
6 explosive revelations from former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's testimony to Congress
And how many people would have changed their votes, knowing he had paid off porn stars before an election? Exactly, we don't. That leaves a big hole in the "we don't know", making this an unfair election. We have the right, as voters, to see the results of that vote count, that never will take place. That right was stripped from eligible voters.
Finally, how many people would have changed their vote if they had known about the hush money before the election? Exactly zero, since the issue is of interest only to people like yourself who are rabidly opposed to the President for other reasons.
And if that isn't enough, Cohen is also going to prison by conspiring with Trump on insurance and bank fraud, by inflating property he bought for $7.5 million dollars, then takes out a loan on that property valuing it at $291 million dollars.
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You are living in an alternate reality, and are a practicing willful idiot when it comes to laws and how they are written.
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My attitude has zero to do with how statutes are written and what they mean. The law could care less about my attitude.It is not up to me for you to want to understand them. That decision belongs to you. Too bad for you that you made the wrong decision.;
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And Cohen is going to prison for it. What about Trump?The corroboration has already been proven, because the money paid back to Cohen was never reported on a financial disclosure. That, in and of itself is a federal crime. And that is how and why SDNY already filed in court, naming Trump as a co-conspirator in this crime.YWhich is why the proof ou're conflating evidence with proof.
The check is evidence.
Proof the check was used for illegal purposes will require corroboration from someone like
Trump Org CFO Allen Weisselberg Granted ImmunityRepublican control of the US House over the last two years has made it difficult for Trump's supporters to become aware of his many ethical liabilities.
They will SOB like SNOWFLAKES when Donald and his crime family wind up in prison
What’s illegal about Trump’s hush payments to women, briefly explained
"Cohen’s campaign finance violation, briefly explained
"It is illegal to make an unreported donation of more than $2,700 to a candidate in a general election.
"The initially unreported payments to McDougal and Daniels far exceeded that: McDougal received $150,000 as part of a 'catch and kill' deal with American Media, Inc., and Daniels got $130,000 as part of a nondisclosure agreement.
"Arguably the value of keeping such information secret was even higher than that.
"The campaign-related purpose of the payments is clear: to hush up potential sex scandals in the weeks leading up to the presidential election — a time in which the Access Hollywood tape and a string of sexual assault allegations put Trump’s treatment of women under a spotlight.
"The payments mostly succeeded in keeping the McDougal and Daniels stories out of the press before the election, and Trump went on to narrowly prevail over Hillary Clinton...."
"It’s clear that the McDougal deal was meant to benefit Trump’s campaign as well.
"On Wednesday, federal prosecutors announced that as part of a non-prosecution agreement, American Media, Inc. now acknowledges it paid McDougal 'in concert with a candidate’s presidential campaign, and in order to ensure that the woman did not publicize damaging allegations about the candidate before the 2016 presidential election.'
"When the Wall Street Journal published a report last month about Trump being more involved in the payments to McDougal and Daniels than was previously known, Vox’s Andrew Prokop detailed the specific campaign finance charges that Cohen pleaded guilty to in August..."
I think that depends on whether Trump wins a second term. At least for some of the charges we've seen so far, statute of limitations could expire before January of 2025. If he doesn't win in 2020, he will face multiple indictments on federal and state charges two years from now. Considering he is currently subject to 17 different investigations and Democrats have only recently taken subpoena power in the House, we could see many more charges over the next 20 months.
Spain's Robert Mueller takes on the Russian mob
And you are preaching to yourself and us about what you do not know. Please continue.
Which is why the campaign finance charges that Cohen is going to prison for that Trump engineered, needs to be taken up as impeachment hearings or declare a null and void election, based on the fact the scheme started before the election, not after. And by the way, we now know there are four individuals associated with hijacking this election to hide bad things that the American people should have known. Weisselberg, Jr.,Trump, and Cohen.And Cohen is going to prison for it. What about Trump?The corroboration has already been proven, because the money paid back to Cohen was never reported on a financial disclosure. That, in and of itself is a federal crime. And that is how and why SDNY already filed in court, naming Trump as a co-conspirator in this crime.YWhich is why the proof ou're conflating evidence with proof.
The check is evidence.
Proof the check was used for illegal purposes will require corroboration from someone like
Trump Org CFO Allen Weisselberg Granted ImmunityRepublican control of the US House over the last two years has made it difficult for Trump's supporters to become aware of his many ethical liabilities.
They will SOB like SNOWFLAKES when Donald and his crime family wind up in prison
What’s illegal about Trump’s hush payments to women, briefly explained
"Cohen’s campaign finance violation, briefly explained
"It is illegal to make an unreported donation of more than $2,700 to a candidate in a general election.
"The initially unreported payments to McDougal and Daniels far exceeded that: McDougal received $150,000 as part of a 'catch and kill' deal with American Media, Inc., and Daniels got $130,000 as part of a nondisclosure agreement.
"Arguably the value of keeping such information secret was even higher than that.
"The campaign-related purpose of the payments is clear: to hush up potential sex scandals in the weeks leading up to the presidential election — a time in which the Access Hollywood tape and a string of sexual assault allegations put Trump’s treatment of women under a spotlight.
"The payments mostly succeeded in keeping the McDougal and Daniels stories out of the press before the election, and Trump went on to narrowly prevail over Hillary Clinton...."
"It’s clear that the McDougal deal was meant to benefit Trump’s campaign as well.
"On Wednesday, federal prosecutors announced that as part of a non-prosecution agreement, American Media, Inc. now acknowledges it paid McDougal 'in concert with a candidate’s presidential campaign, and in order to ensure that the woman did not publicize damaging allegations about the candidate before the 2016 presidential election.'
"When the Wall Street Journal published a report last month about Trump being more involved in the payments to McDougal and Daniels than was previously known, Vox’s Andrew Prokop detailed the specific campaign finance charges that Cohen pleaded guilty to in August..."I think that depends on whether Trump wins a second term. At least for some of the charges we've seen so far, statute of limitations could expire before January of 2025. If he doesn't win in 2020, he will face multiple indictments on federal and state charges two years from now. Considering he is currently subject to 17 different investigations and Democrats have only recently taken subpoena power in the House, we could see many more charges over the next 20 months.
Spain's Robert Mueller takes on the Russian mob
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