We will benefit from this

[OldFlame]

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MAGA wore masks? You need to work on your memes, they suck.

 

[dblack]

Butter is far from a leftist. Much less a dem that would have supported him.

 

[OldFlame]

Butter is far from a leftist. Much less a dem that would have supported him.

You support them, because that's who would be in charge 100% of the time if the Trump supporters that you so despise abstained from voting the way you want them to.

 

[Godboy]

Did you notice all of those economists being in direct contradiction to your argument?

I read your article. It doesnt say what youre suggesting, but go ahead and prove me wrong by providing their full quote. Lets examine it to see if you are telling the truth or lying.

 

[dblack]

You support them, because that's who would be in charge 100% of the time if the Trump supporters that you so despise abstained from voting the way you want them to.

If the only way your "side" can win is riding the coat tails of a shitbag, what exactly have you "won"???

 

[buttercup]

Hilarious coming from the cult that thought this retarded creep was a legitimate president who knew what he was doing:

MORE asinine binary thinking. I have never voted for a Dem in my life, and never would. I'm more against that corrupt, dementia-ridden pedo than you are, since you are a duopoly person, and the Ds and Rs agree on a lot of things. Nice try though!

 

[TNHarley]

I read your article. It doesnt say what youre suggesting, but go ahead and prove me wrong by providing their full quote. Lets examine it to see if you are telling the truth or lying.

You said i couldnt find one but i did. I found a few. Sorry.

 

[Flopper]

Im glad you are glad you will probably be paying for it. Very patriotic of you.

Venezuela did not steal oil from American companies as Trump claimed because those companies never owned the oil.

The Venezuelan government formed a partnership with a number of oil companies in 2014 receiving a 30% share of production. In 1976, Venezuela nationalized all oil production claiming that the government was being cheated by the oil companies. The companies were compensated and forced out. In 1990, foreign oil companies return to Venezuela but several were forced out in 2007 when their leases expired and were not able to come to terms with the government. BP and Total Petroleum remained and are still operating in the country.

The fact is the US government is stealing Venezuela's oil. They have no rights to it today and never have. Trump of course subscribes to the philosophy that might make right and has proved to the rest of world that we are no better than those we oppose.

 

[gipper]

Why not? Biden had a reward of 25 million for his capture.

I’m not a uniparty dupe like you. Genocide Joe was no different from Dumb Don.

 

[BluesLegend]

Adults??? OMG - that is hilarious.

That's because you're on drugs fool.

 

[TNHarley]

That's because you're on drugs fool.

Perhaps you should be. It might cause you to think.

 

[80zephyr]

Venezuela did not steal oil from American companies as Trump claimed because those companies never owned the oil.

The Venezuelan government formed a partnership with a number of oil companies in 2014 receiving a 30% share of production. In 1976, Venezuela nationalized all oil production claiming that the government was being cheated by the oil companies. The companies were compensated and forced out. In 1990, foreign oil companies return to Venezuela but several were forced out in 2007 when their leases expired and were not able to come to terms with the government. BP and Total Petroleum remained and are still operating in the country.

The fact is the US government is stealing Venezuela's oil. They have no rights to it today and never have. Trump of course subscribes to the philosophy that might make right and has proved to the rest of world that we are no better than those we oppose.

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Bruce MelansonTHE DAN BONGINO SHOW ​

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Trump Isn’t “Pirating Ships” — He Must Seize and Sell 300 Venezuelan Oil Tankers to Satisfy an International Court Judgment Owed to U.S. Companies
A lot of people are reacting emotionally to the idea of oil tankers being seized, but most of the outrage comes from not understanding what is actually being discussed.
So let’s slow this down and explain it clearly, legally, and step by step.
This is not war.
This is not piracy.
This is judgment enforcement — the same principle used every day when courts seize bank accounts, property, aircraft, or cargo from someone who lost in court and refuses to pay.
1. What Venezuela did (the part that always gets skipped)
In the 2000s, under Hugo Chávez, Venezuela seized oil projects owned by foreign companies, including major U.S. firms such as ExxonMobil and ConocoPhillips.
This wasn’t a policy disagreement.
It was expropriation:
• Contracts were broken
• Assets were taken
• Compensation that had been agreed to was not paid
That is not controversial. It is historical fact.
2. What the courts decided
Those U.S. companies didn’t complain on social media.
They went to international arbitration and U.S. courts — the proper legal venues.
They won.
The rulings were:
• Final
• Binding
• Enforceable
Venezuela lost and was ordered to pay tens of billions of dollars in damages.
3. The real problem: Venezuela refused to pay
Here is the key point most critics ignore:
Venezuela refused to comply with the court judgments.
In any legal system — domestic or international — when a party:
• Loses in court
• Owes a judgment
• Refuses to pay
…the law allows creditors to seize commercial assets belonging to the debtor outside its borders to satisfy the judgment.
This is called judgment enforcement.
Countries do not get a free pass simply because they are countries.
4. Why oil tankers even enter the conversation
Venezuela’s primary commercial asset is oil.
Oil moves on oil tankers.
Those tankers:
• Carry state-owned Venezuelan oil
• Are commercial property, not military or diplomatic assets
• Can be lawfully seized by court order in cooperating jurisdictions
This is no different in principle from seizing:
• A bank account
• A plane
• A shipment of goods
Calling this “piracy” is legally incorrect.
Piracy is theft without lawful authority.
This is court-ordered seizure to collect a debt already ruled on.
5. The math everyone avoids
Let’s use conservative, realistic numbers so no one can claim exaggeration.
• Estimated unpaid court judgments: ~$35 billion
• Oil price used: $62 per barrel
• Typical large oil tanker (VLCC): ~2 million barrels
Value of one full tanker:
• Gross value: ~$124 million
• Net value after realistic court-sale discounts: ~$115 million
Now do the math:
$35,000,000,000 ÷ $115,000,000 ≈ 300 tankers
That’s where the number comes from.
Not one tanker.
Not ten.
About three hundred.
One tanker only covers about one-third of one percent of what Venezuela owes.
6. What this means — and what it does NOT mean
This does not mean:
• Tankers are being randomly grabbed
• This is a military action
• The goal is punishment
It does mean:
• Courts already ruled
• A debt legally exists
• Enforcement is the only option left when payment is refused
When Donald Trump talks about seizing oil shipments, he is not inventing a new power.
He is talking about using existing legal authority to enforce judgments Venezuela already lost.
In plain English:
You took property, you lost in court, you refused to pay — so your commercial assets are seized and sold until the debt is satisfied.
That is how the rule of law works.
7. Why you don’t see hundreds of tankers seized
Because enforcement is:
• Legally narrow
• Jurisdiction-dependent
• Deliberately targeted
Venezuela also structured its exports to:
• Avoid enforceable ports
• Use intermediaries
• Break shipments into smaller pieces
So tanker seizures are rare, careful, and strategic, not mass roundups.
Tankers are leverage, not a magic wand.
The bottom line
• Venezuela seized U.S. assets
• Venezuela lost in international court
• Venezuela refuses to pay
• The debt is ~$35 billion
• A tanker is worth ~$115 million net
• It would take ~300 Venezuelan oil tankers to make the judgment whole
This is lawful enforcement, not piracy.
This is accounting, not aggression.
This is what happens when court rulings are ignored.
People arguing “this sounds extreme” are missing the most important fact:
The court already decided.
Once that happens, enforcement isn’t optional — it’s inevitable.
Everything else flows from that reality.

 

[80zephyr]

I’m not a uniparty dupe like you. Genocide Joe was no different from Dumb Don.

Do you believe that Maduro was strengthening his ties with Cuba, Russia, and China?

 

[dblack]

Do you believe that Maduro was strengthening his ties with Cuba, Russia, and China?

Sure he was - a major diplomatic fail for the US. But Trump doesn't do diplomacy. I doubt he can spell diplomacy.

 

[berg80]

I should stipulate the regime doesn't give a rat's behind about the law.

Permanent Sovereignty over Natural Resources: An Analysis​

The principle of Permanent Sovereignty over Natural Resources (“PSNR”) ensures that a state has ultimate control over its own natural wealth and resources and the development, utilization, and exploitation of such resources shall be subject to the state’s national laws. The development of this principle can be attributed to the newly independent states in the early 1950s who sought to gain control over their resources after decades of exploitation by their colonizers. The first resolution on PSNR was the United Nations General Assembly Resolution 626 (VII) which recognized that countries have the right to freely use and exploit their natural resources for their economic development and progress. The most important instrument on PSNR came in the form of resolution 1803 (XVII) which guaranteed the right of PSNR to states and peoples. In 2007, with the adoption of the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, the United Nations (“UN”) also recognized the right of indigenous people over their traditionally owned or occupied land. However, despite these legal instruments, there is still debate on if this right accrues to the people as well. This paper examines the concept, history, and instruments on PSNR and ultimately answers this question in the affirmative.

Permanent Sovereignty over Natural Resources: An Analysis | International Journal of Law Management & Humanities

ijlmh.com

 

[80zephyr]

Sure he was - a major diplomatic fail for the US. But Trump doesn't do diplomacy. I doubt he can spell diplomacy.

History shows us that diplomacy doesn't
work with dictators.

 

[TNHarley]

History shows us that diplomacy doesn't
work with dictators.

So we should topple every regime that does things that arent in our best interests?

 

[80zephyr]

So we should topple every regime that does things that arent in our best interests?

Nope. He wasn't elected, and he was a threat.

 

[BackAgain]

Thank gawd our president is America first! Because repaying oil companies for rebuilding another countries infrastructure will benefit us greatly! Using tax payers so oil companies can make more billions is the american way. And by gawd it is America first! America voted for this!

MSN

"A tremendous amount of money will have to be spent, and the oil companies will spend it, and then they’ll get reimbursed by us, or through revenue," he said.

Actually, the tab is likely to be covered by the millions of barrels of crude which Vz is now going to be sending to our treasury.

 

[TNHarley]

He wasn't elected

So you say. And even if he cheated, which is very possible, that isnt a reason for us to topple a sovereign countries regime.

he was a threat

How?