We should be clear about the reason for the necessity of Israel's attack on Iran's nuclear facilities.

[berg80]

Yes, concur. Along with the Jews demand that Iran be reminagined no matter what. Israel had a hit list of countries in the Middle East they wanted taken down. Iran was the last country on that list.

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I don't think Israel can be blamed for acting to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. The point being their attack wouldn't have been necessary had Dotard not withdrawn from the JCPOA.

 

[Moonglow]

Iran ignored the Clinton deal; Iran ignored the Obama deal. There is no realistic reason to think they would honor a Trump deal. They will eventually have nuclear weapons with or without US/Israeli consent. North Korea showed that the US is a paper tiger on this issue.

For thirty fucking years we have heard about how Iran will get nuclear weapons, yet thirty years later they still have,,,none...Someone is lying.

 

[Billiejeens]

Everyone should notice that no one other than Iran is upset about this.

China
Russia
The EU


no one wanted Iran to have nuclear weapons.


Thank You Israel.

 

[berg80]

The international community doesn't take him seriously.

The fact that they don't doesn't change the reality of the damage he has done and is still doing.

 

[berg80]

Iran ignored the Obama deal.

That is an overt lie.

Secretary Pompeo also claimed that, “after the countdown clock ran out on the deal’s sunset provisions, Iran would be free for a quick sprint to the bomb, setting off a potentially catastrophic arms race in the region.” First, as long as Iran remains in the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), it will never be free to pursue a nuclear weapon. It was the NPT that provided the legal foundation for the sanctions that brought Iran to the negotiating table in the first place. Second, Iran is now implementing the IAEA’s Additional Protocol, which significantly enhances the capabilities of international nuclear inspectors to search for clandestine programs. Under the terms of the JCPOA, Iran is supposed to extend the Additional Protocol indefinitely via ratification in 2023.

Further, if the Trump Administration had concerns about sunset provisions in the JCPOA, trying to improve the agreement seems easier than burning it down and starting again. The Trump team could have also pushed for negotiations on a testing moratorium or regional accession to the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty, since Egypt, Iran, and Israel are all signatories to that agreement. Either option would have reduced proliferation threats in the region.

The final critique the Trump Administration leveled on the JCPOA was that it “did nothing to address Iran’s continuing development of ballistic and cruise missiles, which could deliver nuclear warheads.” While the JCPOA focused exclusively on the Iranian nuclear program, UN Security Council Resolution 2231, which endorses and helps implement the JCPOA, calls upon Iran “not to undertake any activity related to ballistic missiles designed to be capable of delivering nuclear weapons” until 2023. Iran’s compliance with this provision — although it is not legally binding — is murky, but the Trump Administration did not pursue negotiations to address its concerns.

 

[TemplarKormac]

True or false.........President Trump declared on Tuesday that he was withdrawing from the Iran nuclear deal, unraveling the signature foreign policy achievement of his predecessor Barack Obama, isolating the United States from its Western allies and sowing uncertainty before a risky nuclear negotiation with North Korea.

False.

On Tuesday, he was being made aware of Israeli intentions to strike Iran. He stated later in the week that the Iranian negotiators had become 'more aggressive.' He didn't pull out. Iran was not cooperating, and Israel was holding Iran strictly to that 60-day deadline.

You couldn't be more dishonest if you tried. You don't analyze things that go on beneath the surface. Dare I say it, people like you are superficial, never going deeper than the headline.

 

[Billiejeens]

Everyone should notice that no one other than Iran is upset about this.

China
Russia
The EU


no one wanted Iran to have nuclear weapons.


Thank You Israel.

And US Democrats -

Yes, I quoted myself.

 

[SeaMajor7]

That is an overt lie.

Secretary Pompeo also claimed that, “after the countdown clock ran out on the deal’s sunset provisions, Iran would be free for a quick sprint to the bomb, setting off a potentially catastrophic arms race in the region.” First, as long as Iran remains in the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), it will never be free to pursue a nuclear weapon. It was the NPT that provided the legal foundation for the sanctions that brought Iran to the negotiating table in the first place. Second, Iran is now implementing the IAEA’s Additional Protocol, which significantly enhances the capabilities of international nuclear inspectors to search for clandestine programs. Under the terms of the JCPOA, Iran is supposed to extend the Additional Protocol indefinitely via ratification in 2023.

Further, if the Trump Administration had concerns about sunset provisions in the JCPOA, trying to improve the agreement seems easier than burning it down and starting again. The Trump team could have also pushed for negotiations on a testing moratorium or regional accession to the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty, since Egypt, Iran, and Israel are all signatories to that agreement. Either option would have reduced proliferation threats in the region.

The final critique the Trump Administration leveled on the JCPOA was that it “did nothing to address Iran’s continuing development of ballistic and cruise missiles, which could deliver nuclear warheads.” While the JCPOA focused exclusively on the Iranian nuclear program, UN Security Council Resolution 2231, which endorses and helps implement the JCPOA, calls upon Iran “not to undertake any activity related to ballistic missiles designed to be capable of delivering nuclear weapons” until 2023. Iran’s compliance with this provision — although it is not legally binding — is murky, but the Trump Administration did not pursue negotiations to address its concerns.

Because you say so.
Got it.
BTW, your JCPOA is an un-rattified by Congress POS.
GFY

 

[Dekster]

That is an overt lie.

Secretary Pompeo also claimed that, “after the countdown clock ran out on the deal’s sunset provisions, Iran would be free for a quick sprint to the bomb, setting off a potentially catastrophic arms race in the region.” First, as long as Iran remains in the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), it will never be free to pursue a nuclear weapon. It was the NPT that provided the legal foundation for the sanctions that brought Iran to the negotiating table in the first place. Second, Iran is now implementing the IAEA’s Additional Protocol, which significantly enhances the capabilities of international nuclear inspectors to search for clandestine programs. Under the terms of the JCPOA, Iran is supposed to extend the Additional Protocol indefinitely via ratification in 2023.

Further, if the Trump Administration had concerns about sunset provisions in the JCPOA, trying to improve the agreement seems easier than burning it down and starting again. The Trump team could have also pushed for negotiations on a testing moratorium or regional accession to the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty, since Egypt, Iran, and Israel are all signatories to that agreement. Either option would have reduced proliferation threats in the region.

The final critique the Trump Administration leveled on the JCPOA was that it “did nothing to address Iran’s continuing development of ballistic and cruise missiles, which could deliver nuclear warheads.” While the JCPOA focused exclusively on the Iranian nuclear program, UN Security Council Resolution 2231, which endorses and helps implement the JCPOA, calls upon Iran “not to undertake any activity related to ballistic missiles designed to be capable of delivering nuclear weapons” until 2023. Iran’s compliance with this provision — although it is not legally binding — is murky, but the Trump Administration did not pursue negotiations to address its concerns.

Sure it is an overt lie supported by your own source that calls it "murky"

 

[Moonglow]

Iran ignored the Clinton deal; Iran ignored the Obama deal. There is no realistic reason to think they would honor a Trump deal. They will eventually have nuclear weapons with or without US/Israeli consent. North Korea showed that the US is a paper tiger on this issue.

Yet they have zero nuclear weapons...

 

[Moonglow]

There is only one country that has used nuclear bombs on humans both during a war, and destroyed the Islands of the Marshal chain..

 

[Darkwind]

The international community doesn't take him seriously. They know what he is. One just has to look at overseas commentary to see their opinion of him. Hell, he just reneged on trade deals with two of our closest allies/trading partners.

Israel attacked military/nuclear-related installations and individuals only. Something tells me that Iran's retaliation will not be so
fair or precise.

The problem is, we no longer take the international community seriously. They are willing to sacrifice their own sovereignty for their extreme ideology.

They are not serious actors.

 

[Darkwind]

Yet they have zero nuclear weapons...

Israel has intel that they may be right no the verge of creating one.

That makes this self-defense. No one cares what you think.

There is zero likelihood that if Iran had a nuke, it would not use it.

 

[Mac1958]

The problem is, we no longer take the international community seriously. They are willing to sacrifice their own sovereignty for their extreme ideology.

They are not serious actors.

That is the MAGA worldview only.

You're certainly welcome to it, but it's the MAGA worldview only.

 

[Moonglow]

Israel has intel that they may be right no the verge of creating one.

That makes this self-defense. No one cares what you think.

There is zero likelihood that if Iran had a nuke, it would not use it.

The Israelis lie like any other human.

 

[TemplarKormac]

That is the MAGA worldview only.

You're certainly welcome to it, but it's the MAGA worldview only.

Ain't it lovely when people look down their noses at others up on the balconies of their ivory towers?

 

[Darkwind]

That is the MAGA worldview only.

You're certainly welcome to it, but it's the MAGA worldview only.

It is reality, not a world view. One has only look at their polcies and authoritarianism to see the truth of it.

 

[Mac1958]

Ain't it lovely when people look down their noses at others up on the balconies of their ivory towers?

Yes, please tell the rest of MAGA to stop doing that.

 

[Darkwind]

The Israelis lie like any other human.

I'll take their word over yours.

 

[Moonglow]

I'll take their word over yours.

And I should care, why?