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Sorry for lost of your uncle.

In the case of your uncle, there appears to be two factors in his death, colon cancer and covid-19. Whether his death was attributed to colon cancer or covid-19 depends on a chain events that leads up to the death. On a death certificate under cause of death, the first line is the immediate cause; that is the final condition that resulted in death. This typically is something like Escherichia coli sepsis, acute renal failure, hypoxemia, etc. The second line in the death certificate is underlying cause of death; that is, the disease or injury that initiated the chain of events leading directly to the immediate cause of death. This could be Covid 19 or Colon Cancer. What is listed as underlying cause depends the chain of event between the underlying cause and the immediate cause. These events are in the medical records. In other words, there will almost always be a clear chain events that links the underlying cause to to immediate cause. There are very few instances where there is any real guess work in the cause death, although fairly rare it does happen. The events that lead up to a covid19 death are typical very different from those that lead up to a colon cancer death. A person dying due to covid-19 will almost always die with very enlarged lungs filled with fluid. A person dying of colon cancer will have a very different chain of events depending the phase of the cancer.
1. So how did a man who never went anywhere, never in contact with anybody that had Covid, get Covid? Was it something in the air one day?
2. Even if they tested him as soon as he got to the hospital which I'm sure they did, it would have never shown up on the test if he caught it there.
3. My father had to quarantine, so he called his doctor for advice. The doctor told him it would be fruitless to have a test done because even if he did have it, the test wouldn't come up positive for at least five days. My Uncle never had Covid. That's the point.
4. Because of government money, they are creating Covid cases and deaths, which falsely show up in our statistics as US cases and deaths.
1. So how did this man survive without any contact? Who supplied food, water and other human necessities? Does it comes automatically?

2. In less than 2 hours depending the severity or status of the symptoms. You’ll get th results.
If you have a major symptoms like shortness of breath...... ER..... full test..... cardiac panel, CV panel, CMP (blood test comprehensive metabolic panel, total of 8 tests tube with 5 ml eachX-ray. At the same time a meter called pulse/oximeter will be attach to one of your finger that measures your saturation (oxygen level of your body), closer to 100 the better.... reading below 90s is questionable in the low 80’s or ‘70s you are in big trouble. The X-ray results will confirmed how much trouble you are in... Time to pray.
3. Not sure how this is connected to #1. It’s very hard to believe that your uncle died (sorry to hear that) recorded death is Covid but don’t have Covid. Sorry to tell you that This is very hard for me to believe that. You do know that you can request for the medical records.

4. I’ve known you as a conspiracy believer. So I’m not surprised where you stand on this. Facts matters. 50% of Trump supporters believe QANON.

There are hundreds thousands of coroners all over US, doctors and other workers could have come out and said something like that. A whistleblower get paid for these informations.
These pandemic affected all over the world. Lots of these countries don’t have the same luxuries like us but look their deaths and infections.
im sure you are going to say it’s being controlled by the left.
Why are you so always long winded? Be concise. Be relevant. Don’t be you. Dumb Leftist
That’s is your specialty an insults that has nothing to do with your ignorance and stupidity as always. Low class miserable life dirt bag.
You complain a lot. You’re a Leftist. Basically the lefts equivalent of the Alt Right and you hate Jews as you admitted here before.
No I don’t hate Jews. I have several Jewish friends here in California and they are very nice..... but you are very different kind of Jew maybe the lowest kind of scum.

A low class miserable bastard like you cannot even carry a normal discussion. Look at your post to others nothing but mostly abusive insults. Then you play stupid then pretend like you know something. In reality you don’t know anything. GTFOH. You are embarrassing yourself.
Like saying...I have black friends. You’re a real winner or whiner? Hmmmm
Look you miserable idiot. If you want to talk to me talk like a person talk to me properly.

But I do not tolerate abusive low class people like you. YOU GOT THAT?
 

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Confirmed cases. There are significantly more. You’re an idiot so I ll explain. Everyone in my house had it but I was the only one tested so the numbers only reflect me not my wife and kids. Actual death rate is less than 1%. Unless you think every single covid case is captured LOL.

Okay. Let's say for shits and giggles you are right. You get the 99.97% figure from...?
 

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Sorry for lost of your uncle.

In the case of your uncle, there appears to be two factors in his death, colon cancer and covid-19. Whether his death was attributed to colon cancer or covid-19 depends on a chain events that leads up to the death. On a death certificate under cause of death, the first line is the immediate cause; that is the final condition that resulted in death. This typically is something like Escherichia coli sepsis, acute renal failure, hypoxemia, etc. The second line in the death certificate is underlying cause of death; that is, the disease or injury that initiated the chain of events leading directly to the immediate cause of death. This could be Covid 19 or Colon Cancer. What is listed as underlying cause depends the chain of event between the underlying cause and the immediate cause. These events are in the medical records. In other words, there will almost always be a clear chain events that links the underlying cause to to immediate cause. There are very few instances where there is any real guess work in the cause death, although fairly rare it does happen. The events that lead up to a covid19 death are typical very different from those that lead up to a colon cancer death. A person dying due to covid-19 will almost always die with very enlarged lungs filled with fluid. A person dying of colon cancer will have a very different chain of events depending the phase of the cancer.
1. So how did a man who never went anywhere, never in contact with anybody that had Covid, get Covid? Was it something in the air one day?
2. Even if they tested him as soon as he got to the hospital which I'm sure they did, it would have never shown up on the test if he caught it there.
3. My father had to quarantine, so he called his doctor for advice. The doctor told him it would be fruitless to have a test done because even if he did have it, the test wouldn't come up positive for at least five days. My Uncle never had Covid. That's the point.
4. Because of government money, they are creating Covid cases and deaths, which falsely show up in our statistics as US cases and deaths.
1. So how did this man survive without any contact? Who supplied food, water and other human necessities? Does it comes automatically?

2. In less than 2 hours depending the severity or status of the symptoms. You’ll get th results.
If you have a major symptoms like shortness of breath...... ER..... full test..... cardiac panel, CV panel, CMP (blood test comprehensive metabolic panel, total of 8 tests tube with 5 ml eachX-ray. At the same time a meter called pulse/oximeter will be attach to one of your finger that measures your saturation (oxygen level of your body), closer to 100 the better.... reading below 90s is questionable in the low 80’s or ‘70s you are in big trouble. The X-ray results will confirmed how much trouble you are in... Time to pray.
3. Not sure how this is connected to #1. It’s very hard to believe that your uncle died (sorry to hear that) recorded death is Covid but don’t have Covid. Sorry to tell you that This is very hard for me to believe that. You do know that you can request for the medical records.

4. I’ve known you as a conspiracy believer. So I’m not surprised where you stand on this. Facts matters. 50% of Trump supporters believe QANON.

There are hundreds thousands of coroners all over US, doctors and other workers could have come out and said something like that. A whistleblower get paid for these informations.
These pandemic affected all over the world. Lots of these countries don’t have the same luxuries like us but look their deaths and infections.
im sure you are going to say it’s being controlled by the left.
Why are you so always long winded? Be concise. Be relevant. Don’t be you. Dumb Leftist
That’s is your specialty an insults that has nothing to do with your ignorance and stupidity as always. Low class miserable life dirt bag.
You complain a lot. You’re a Leftist. Basically the lefts equivalent of the Alt Right and you hate Jews as you admitted here before.
No I don’t hate Jews. I have several Jewish friends here in California and they are very nice..... but you are very different kind of Jew maybe the lowest kind of scum.

A low class miserable bastard like you cannot even carry a normal discussion. Look at your post to others nothing but mostly abusive insults. Then you play stupid then pretend like you know something. In reality you don’t know anything. GTFOH. You are embarrassing yourself.
Like saying...I have black friends. You’re a real winner or whiner? Hmmmm
Look you miserable idiot. If you want to talk to me talk like a person talk to me properly.

But I do not tolerate abusive low class people like you. YOU GOT THAT?
You have to forgive Azog. He is mostly okay, but he has a couple of issues. Money is his God, thus everything he posts about comes down to him and his money. Also, he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room.
 

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There are markers in blood and sputum samples that would indicate covid. Also antibody test would show elevated levels plus the standard corvid tests. If the patients medical records show these tests are negative, the patient does not have covid. Keep in mind having a diagnosis of Covid or Colon Cancer is not sufficient to list it as a cause of death. Each of these diseases have very different chains of events resulting in death.

Covid-19 deaths will have major lung damage and the most common immediate cause of death will be repertory failure or coronary thrombosis.
When they called my cousin and told him his father tested positive, he responded that it was not possible because nobody in the household had any symptoms. Then they changed their story to his father was asymptomatic. Okay, asymptomatic means you don't even know you have it, and won't give you any complications. So why did his death certificate read it was a Covid death?
Look, bottom line is that hospitals are not listing the death as COVID if the patient didn't have freaking COVID. Numbers are NOT being over reported, in fact experts say that numbers are UNDER reported. You don't have to have symptoms to have the virus and those are the ones that are most likely to spread it. Your uncle, while careful, did have contact with other people as well as items that may have contained the virus.

People are dying every day by the hundreds OF THIS VIRUS. Wear the mask, wash your hands, stay home whenever you can and we CAN get past this. It's going to take new (actual) leadership and not abdication, but we can and will beat this virus. (actually beat it, not declare victory while a thousand people a day die)
Nah, not really though.
Beating the virus today simple means reducing hospitalizations and saving lives. There was a narrow window back in early March when we had only a few cases in which testing/contact tracing/quarantining could have made a huge difference. However, at that time the Trump administration's testing was inaccurate and very limited. There was no plan for containing the epidemic and the president was downplaying it's importance. Within a month there was no chance of stopping the virus. From that point on, the only option was mitigation, hopping people would follow the CDC guidelines and lockdowns to make sure hospitals were able to meet the needs of the community.
You’re wrong. No one knew how severe this was. Stop blaming Trump, the entire world is on fire. Hospital were never overrun. This kills the old and feeble. Such is life.
Yes, the president did know how severe this was in Jan, Feb, and March and he lied to American people and did every thing in his power to downplay it, ignore it, and oppose measures to impede it. To Trump, the virus was an existential threat to his re-election so he tried to deny it and downplay it and ended up in a battle against the the US healthcare authorities.

Trump certainly knew about. His intelligence people were briefing him weakly. All reports from China and the WHO indicated a major new virus. His medical advisors were warning him and he did nothing to prepare the country.

The WHO Outbreak News published on Jan 5th contained a risk assessment.
On Jan 10, the WHO issued a warning an immediate preparations that should be taken.
China published the genetic sequence on Jan 12th.
On Jan. 14th, WHO's technical lead for the response noted in a press briefing there may have been human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus (in the 41 confirmed cases).
On Jan. 13th, 14th, and 15th, the first cases outside of China were discovered in Japan, South Korea, and China.
On Jan 20th, the first confirmed cases outside of China was confirmed
On Jan 22, the WHO issued a statement saying that there was evidence of human-to-human transmission in Wuhan.
On Jan 30th, the WHO Emergency Committee, issued a Public Health Emergency of International Warning.
On Feb 3rd, the WHO releases the international community's Strategic Preparedness and Response Plan to help protect states
On Feb 16th Deeply concerned both by the alarming levels of spread and severity, and by the alarming levels of inaction, WHO met with over 400 representatives around the world to discuss the seriousness of the virus
On February 28, Donald Trump announced that the virus was just the Flu and that democrat warning were just a hoax.
On February 28th the first outbreak in the US was reported.
On March 1st Donald Trump announced the virus was under control.
As of Oct, 28th there are have been over 9 million cases in the US and 235,000 deaths

WTF with your super long fake news posts. No one knew!!! We still don’t know. Tell me how long the antibodies last. Let’s test your theory. Again, be concise, be relevant. We never should have shut down.
We have never know as much about a new virus as we now know about coronavirus. To limit transmission, we do not need to know how long immunity last after recovery. Masks, social distancing, and quarantining reduce transmission of coronavirus just as it has reduced transmission of other airborne viruses.

Shutting down businesses and schools are necessary when ICU's start reaching capacity. Many ICU's across the country are approaching full capacity and the season for airborne respiratory viruses is just starting. I believe before the end of year we will see shutdowns in many major cities as ICU's fill up.
Nothing you said is factual. Zero. ICUs aren’t at capacity. 99.97% survival rate. Why do you lie so much? Why do you hate our country and our children. My kids are tired of zoom schooling.
99.97% survival rate? COVID? It has a 97.5% survival rate. 9.9 million cases in the US. 236,000 deaths. That's a fatality rate of 2.5+%
Confirmed cases. There are significantly more. You’re an idiot so I ll explain. Everyone in my house had it but I was the only one tested so the numbers only reflect me not my wife and kids. Actual death rate is less than 1%. Unless you think every single covid case is captured LOL.

THATS JUST PLAIN STUPIDITY to use 1% if family members are part of the casualties. That’s a losers explanation of downplaying the crisis like your moron president.

YOU HAVE MY ATTENTION.
????No chance we capture every COVID case. At best we have captured a 1/3 and likely closer to 1/4.
 

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Sorry for lost of your uncle.

In the case of your uncle, there appears to be two factors in his death, colon cancer and covid-19. Whether his death was attributed to colon cancer or covid-19 depends on a chain events that leads up to the death. On a death certificate under cause of death, the first line is the immediate cause; that is the final condition that resulted in death. This typically is something like Escherichia coli sepsis, acute renal failure, hypoxemia, etc. The second line in the death certificate is underlying cause of death; that is, the disease or injury that initiated the chain of events leading directly to the immediate cause of death. This could be Covid 19 or Colon Cancer. What is listed as underlying cause depends the chain of event between the underlying cause and the immediate cause. These events are in the medical records. In other words, there will almost always be a clear chain events that links the underlying cause to to immediate cause. There are very few instances where there is any real guess work in the cause death, although fairly rare it does happen. The events that lead up to a covid19 death are typical very different from those that lead up to a colon cancer death. A person dying due to covid-19 will almost always die with very enlarged lungs filled with fluid. A person dying of colon cancer will have a very different chain of events depending the phase of the cancer.
1. So how did a man who never went anywhere, never in contact with anybody that had Covid, get Covid? Was it something in the air one day?
2. Even if they tested him as soon as he got to the hospital which I'm sure they did, it would have never shown up on the test if he caught it there.
3. My father had to quarantine, so he called his doctor for advice. The doctor told him it would be fruitless to have a test done because even if he did have it, the test wouldn't come up positive for at least five days. My Uncle never had Covid. That's the point.
4. Because of government money, they are creating Covid cases and deaths, which falsely show up in our statistics as US cases and deaths.
1. So how did this man survive without any contact? Who supplied food, water and other human necessities? Does it comes automatically?

2. In less than 2 hours depending the severity or status of the symptoms. You’ll get th results.
If you have a major symptoms like shortness of breath...... ER..... full test..... cardiac panel, CV panel, CMP (blood test comprehensive metabolic panel, total of 8 tests tube with 5 ml eachX-ray. At the same time a meter called pulse/oximeter will be attach to one of your finger that measures your saturation (oxygen level of your body), closer to 100 the better.... reading below 90s is questionable in the low 80’s or ‘70s you are in big trouble. The X-ray results will confirmed how much trouble you are in... Time to pray.
3. Not sure how this is connected to #1. It’s very hard to believe that your uncle died (sorry to hear that) recorded death is Covid but don’t have Covid. Sorry to tell you that This is very hard for me to believe that. You do know that you can request for the medical records.

4. I’ve known you as a conspiracy believer. So I’m not surprised where you stand on this. Facts matters. 50% of Trump supporters believe QANON.

There are hundreds thousands of coroners all over US, doctors and other workers could have come out and said something like that. A whistleblower get paid for these informations.
These pandemic affected all over the world. Lots of these countries don’t have the same luxuries like us but look their deaths and infections.
im sure you are going to say it’s being controlled by the left.
Why are you so always long winded? Be concise. Be relevant. Don’t be you. Dumb Leftist
That’s is your specialty an insults that has nothing to do with your ignorance and stupidity as always. Low class miserable life dirt bag.
You complain a lot. You’re a Leftist. Basically the lefts equivalent of the Alt Right and you hate Jews as you admitted here before.
No I don’t hate Jews. I have several Jewish friends here in California and they are very nice..... but you are very different kind of Jew maybe the lowest kind of scum.

A low class miserable bastard like you cannot even carry a normal discussion. Look at your post to others nothing but mostly abusive insults. Then you play stupid then pretend like you know something. In reality you don’t know anything. GTFOH. You are embarrassing yourself.
Like saying...I have black friends. You’re a real winner or whiner? Hmmmm
You have black friends? With your low class disgusting human behavior.i doubt it.
It was a philosophical statement, went over your empty head, antisemite.
 

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Sorry for lost of your uncle.

In the case of your uncle, there appears to be two factors in his death, colon cancer and covid-19. Whether his death was attributed to colon cancer or covid-19 depends on a chain events that leads up to the death. On a death certificate under cause of death, the first line is the immediate cause; that is the final condition that resulted in death. This typically is something like Escherichia coli sepsis, acute renal failure, hypoxemia, etc. The second line in the death certificate is underlying cause of death; that is, the disease or injury that initiated the chain of events leading directly to the immediate cause of death. This could be Covid 19 or Colon Cancer. What is listed as underlying cause depends the chain of event between the underlying cause and the immediate cause. These events are in the medical records. In other words, there will almost always be a clear chain events that links the underlying cause to to immediate cause. There are very few instances where there is any real guess work in the cause death, although fairly rare it does happen. The events that lead up to a covid19 death are typical very different from those that lead up to a colon cancer death. A person dying due to covid-19 will almost always die with very enlarged lungs filled with fluid. A person dying of colon cancer will have a very different chain of events depending the phase of the cancer.
1. So how did a man who never went anywhere, never in contact with anybody that had Covid, get Covid? Was it something in the air one day?
2. Even if they tested him as soon as he got to the hospital which I'm sure they did, it would have never shown up on the test if he caught it there.
3. My father had to quarantine, so he called his doctor for advice. The doctor told him it would be fruitless to have a test done because even if he did have it, the test wouldn't come up positive for at least five days. My Uncle never had Covid. That's the point.
4. Because of government money, they are creating Covid cases and deaths, which falsely show up in our statistics as US cases and deaths.
1. So how did this man survive without any contact? Who supplied food, water and other human necessities? Does it comes automatically?

2. In less than 2 hours depending the severity or status of the symptoms. You’ll get th results.
If you have a major symptoms like shortness of breath...... ER..... full test..... cardiac panel, CV panel, CMP (blood test comprehensive metabolic panel, total of 8 tests tube with 5 ml eachX-ray. At the same time a meter called pulse/oximeter will be attach to one of your finger that measures your saturation (oxygen level of your body), closer to 100 the better.... reading below 90s is questionable in the low 80’s or ‘70s you are in big trouble. The X-ray results will confirmed how much trouble you are in... Time to pray.
3. Not sure how this is connected to #1. It’s very hard to believe that your uncle died (sorry to hear that) recorded death is Covid but don’t have Covid. Sorry to tell you that This is very hard for me to believe that. You do know that you can request for the medical records.

4. I’ve known you as a conspiracy believer. So I’m not surprised where you stand on this. Facts matters. 50% of Trump supporters believe QANON.

There are hundreds thousands of coroners all over US, doctors and other workers could have come out and said something like that. A whistleblower get paid for these informations.
These pandemic affected all over the world. Lots of these countries don’t have the same luxuries like us but look their deaths and infections.
im sure you are going to say it’s being controlled by the left.
Why are you so always long winded? Be concise. Be relevant. Don’t be you. Dumb Leftist
That’s is your specialty an insults that has nothing to do with your ignorance and stupidity as always. Low class miserable life dirt bag.
You complain a lot. You’re a Leftist. Basically the lefts equivalent of the Alt Right and you hate Jews as you admitted here before.
No I don’t hate Jews. I have several Jewish friends here in California and they are very nice..... but you are very different kind of Jew maybe the lowest kind of scum.

A low class miserable bastard like you cannot even carry a normal discussion. Look at your post to others nothing but mostly abusive insults. Then you play stupid then pretend like you know something. In reality you don’t know anything. GTFOH. You are embarrassing yourself.
Like saying...I have black friends. You’re a real winner or whiner? Hmmmm
Look you miserable idiot. If you want to talk to me talk like a person talk to me properly.

But I do not tolerate abusive low class people like you. YOU GOT THAT?
Feel free to whimper in the corner. As soon as you apologize for your antisemtism we can be civil.
 

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Confirmed cases. There are significantly more. You’re an idiot so I ll explain. Everyone in my house had it but I was the only one tested so the numbers only reflect me not my wife and kids. Actual death rate is less than 1%. Unless you think every single covid case is captured LOL.

Okay. Let's say for shits and giggles you are right. You get the 99.97% figure from...?
CDC

 

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Sorry for lost of your uncle.

In the case of your uncle, there appears to be two factors in his death, colon cancer and covid-19. Whether his death was attributed to colon cancer or covid-19 depends on a chain events that leads up to the death. On a death certificate under cause of death, the first line is the immediate cause; that is the final condition that resulted in death. This typically is something like Escherichia coli sepsis, acute renal failure, hypoxemia, etc. The second line in the death certificate is underlying cause of death; that is, the disease or injury that initiated the chain of events leading directly to the immediate cause of death. This could be Covid 19 or Colon Cancer. What is listed as underlying cause depends the chain of event between the underlying cause and the immediate cause. These events are in the medical records. In other words, there will almost always be a clear chain events that links the underlying cause to to immediate cause. There are very few instances where there is any real guess work in the cause death, although fairly rare it does happen. The events that lead up to a covid19 death are typical very different from those that lead up to a colon cancer death. A person dying due to covid-19 will almost always die with very enlarged lungs filled with fluid. A person dying of colon cancer will have a very different chain of events depending the phase of the cancer.
1. So how did a man who never went anywhere, never in contact with anybody that had Covid, get Covid? Was it something in the air one day?
2. Even if they tested him as soon as he got to the hospital which I'm sure they did, it would have never shown up on the test if he caught it there.
3. My father had to quarantine, so he called his doctor for advice. The doctor told him it would be fruitless to have a test done because even if he did have it, the test wouldn't come up positive for at least five days. My Uncle never had Covid. That's the point.
4. Because of government money, they are creating Covid cases and deaths, which falsely show up in our statistics as US cases and deaths.
1. So how did this man survive without any contact? Who supplied food, water and other human necessities? Does it comes automatically?

2. In less than 2 hours depending the severity or status of the symptoms. You’ll get th results.
If you have a major symptoms like shortness of breath...... ER..... full test..... cardiac panel, CV panel, CMP (blood test comprehensive metabolic panel, total of 8 tests tube with 5 ml eachX-ray. At the same time a meter called pulse/oximeter will be attach to one of your finger that measures your saturation (oxygen level of your body), closer to 100 the better.... reading below 90s is questionable in the low 80’s or ‘70s you are in big trouble. The X-ray results will confirmed how much trouble you are in... Time to pray.
3. Not sure how this is connected to #1. It’s very hard to believe that your uncle died (sorry to hear that) recorded death is Covid but don’t have Covid. Sorry to tell you that This is very hard for me to believe that. You do know that you can request for the medical records.

4. I’ve known you as a conspiracy believer. So I’m not surprised where you stand on this. Facts matters. 50% of Trump supporters believe QANON.

There are hundreds thousands of coroners all over US, doctors and other workers could have come out and said something like that. A whistleblower get paid for these informations.
These pandemic affected all over the world. Lots of these countries don’t have the same luxuries like us but look their deaths and infections.
im sure you are going to say it’s being controlled by the left.
Why are you so always long winded? Be concise. Be relevant. Don’t be you. Dumb Leftist
That’s is your specialty an insults that has nothing to do with your ignorance and stupidity as always. Low class miserable life dirt bag.
You complain a lot. You’re a Leftist. Basically the lefts equivalent of the Alt Right and you hate Jews as you admitted here before.
No I don’t hate Jews. I have several Jewish friends here in California and they are very nice..... but you are very different kind of Jew maybe the lowest kind of scum.

A low class miserable bastard like you cannot even carry a normal discussion. Look at your post to others nothing but mostly abusive insults. Then you play stupid then pretend like you know something. In reality you don’t know anything. GTFOH. You are embarrassing yourself.
Like saying...I have black friends. You’re a real winner or whiner? Hmmmm
Look you miserable idiot. If you want to talk to me talk like a person talk to me properly.

But I do not tolerate abusive low class people like you. YOU GOT THAT?
You have to forgive Azog. He is mostly okay, but he has a couple of issues. Money is his God, thus everything he posts about comes down to him and his money. Also, he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room.
All true. I admit it.
 

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????No chance we capture every COVID case. At best we have captured a 1/3 and likely closer to 1/4.
Okay. So your evidence to back this up is...?
Logic. 40% of people never show symptoms so why would they get tested. As I said my fam had it and only I was tested so they captured 1/4 of my household. Doubt I am the only one.
 

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Why do you Pubs have such difficulty understanding that it ISN'T about illegal voting? Insisting that all ballots be counted on Election Day, for example has NOTHING to do with illegal voting. Nice try though.
Requiring all votes be counted BY the end of election day prevents people from just adding more and more 'ballots found later' till their guy wins like what happened in the Minnesota Senatorial election that put Al Franken in the Senate.
Requiring all votes to be counted by the end of Election Day means valid, legal votes and on time will be discarded.

But that is the goal of the Republicans, is it not?


There has never been a law a law requiring this before.
 

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The mask mandate works and if people don’t cooperate it’s up to them to follow or not but the consequences are higher than do not.

Like at the flu shots.... it works but we still have thousands of caulaties yearly. WHY? Like in last 3 years which I already told you about 77,000 deaths because thousands did not take the flu shots.... ITS THAT SIMPLE. That’s the reality.

You cannot just simply say it doesn’t work because of people’s don’t cooperate.

The big problem that you most followers are mask don’t work because your president told you.. The left, the left, the left.... when you see casualties on REPUBLICAN run cities and states. Look at the curfews under republican mayors.....

Do you think the governor of Ohio DeWine is very stupid to issue a mask mandates if he thinks it’s not necessary?

Look at the past locked down in Florida, Texas and Arizona...... those are republican governors and mayors..... Yet your not so smart of your buddies keep saying the left the left... for the locked down.
Is it because they are very poorly informed or just plain ignorant?
I think that if people would have known Governor DeRino was going to have mask mandates and such, he wouldn't be our Governor today. Just for your information, I do wear a mask whenever I go out in public. I sanitize my hands before I leave the car, in the store if sanitize stations are available, and once I re-enter my car. When I get home, I wash my hands with Dial antibacterial soap for at least 20 seconds. I carry tissue paper in my back pocket in case I need to rub my eyes. Do I do all this because government told me to? Of course not. I do it because my doctor told me to.

Your flu shot scenario is exactly what I'm talking about. You can't get people to comply who don't want to, so a mask mandate is only as good as suggesting people wear a mask. There are people who believe it will help them and people who believe it's all a bunch of bunk because there are other doctors and scientists that say they won't do anything for you; it's like trying to catch falling water with a chain link fence.
 

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Corvid? Lockdowns don’t work. Open the economy, open the world and let us live. Dumb leftist.
Lockdowns do work.
Is there NOTHING you won't do for money?

If they work, why is the virus still here?
In the places that did serious lockdowns, it's not.
bullshit, NY, CAL,,MIch, still in lockdown and still having new cases. In states that have reopened, Ga, ID, FL, TX, no more cases per capita than in the dem bastions of NY, Cal, and MIch
We've had no serious lockdowns in the US. I'm not sure we could pull it off here. But the countries that were able to do so, have very low rates of infection. They knocked it down quick and hard, and moved on. China's economy is booming now.
I complete lockdown has proven very effective at reducing transmission. In the US, it could be done in cities where hospital ICU's reach capacity. Governors would have no real choice because when hospitals reach capacity, everyone who needs hospitalization is effected, not just covid cases.
Nope. More lies. More lockdowns equals more deaths. You hate America
No, I was just making a valid observation. Lockdowns have worked pretty well elsewhere. I'm not saying they will work here, or that we should try them. Just pointing out a fact. Because I hate America. :rolleyes:
 
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Sorry for lost of your uncle.

In the case of your uncle, there appears to be two factors in his death, colon cancer and covid-19. Whether his death was attributed to colon cancer or covid-19 depends on a chain events that leads up to the death. On a death certificate under cause of death, the first line is the immediate cause; that is the final condition that resulted in death. This typically is something like Escherichia coli sepsis, acute renal failure, hypoxemia, etc. The second line in the death certificate is underlying cause of death; that is, the disease or injury that initiated the chain of events leading directly to the immediate cause of death. This could be Covid 19 or Colon Cancer. What is listed as underlying cause depends the chain of event between the underlying cause and the immediate cause. These events are in the medical records. In other words, there will almost always be a clear chain events that links the underlying cause to to immediate cause. There are very few instances where there is any real guess work in the cause death, although fairly rare it does happen. The events that lead up to a covid19 death are typical very different from those that lead up to a colon cancer death. A person dying due to covid-19 will almost always die with very enlarged lungs filled with fluid. A person dying of colon cancer will have a very different chain of events depending the phase of the cancer.
1. So how did a man who never went anywhere, never in contact with anybody that had Covid, get Covid? Was it something in the air one day?
2. Even if they tested him as soon as he got to the hospital which I'm sure they did, it would have never shown up on the test if he caught it there.
3. My father had to quarantine, so he called his doctor for advice. The doctor told him it would be fruitless to have a test done because even if he did have it, the test wouldn't come up positive for at least five days. My Uncle never had Covid. That's the point.
4. Because of government money, they are creating Covid cases and deaths, which falsely show up in our statistics as US cases and deaths.
1. So how did this man survive without any contact? Who supplied food, water and other human necessities? Does it comes automatically?

2. In less than 2 hours depending the severity or status of the symptoms. You’ll get th results.
If you have a major symptoms like shortness of breath...... ER..... full test..... cardiac panel, CV panel, CMP (blood test comprehensive metabolic panel, total of 8 tests tube with 5 ml eachX-ray. At the same time a meter called pulse/oximeter will be attach to one of your finger that measures your saturation (oxygen level of your body), closer to 100 the better.... reading below 90s is questionable in the low 80’s or ‘70s you are in big trouble. The X-ray results will confirmed how much trouble you are in... Time to pray.
3. Not sure how this is connected to #1. It’s very hard to believe that your uncle died (sorry to hear that) recorded death is Covid but don’t have Covid. Sorry to tell you that This is very hard for me to believe that. You do know that you can request for the medical records.

4. I’ve known you as a conspiracy believer. So I’m not surprised where you stand on this. Facts matters. 50% of Trump supporters believe QANON.

There are hundreds thousands of coroners all over US, doctors and other workers could have come out and said something like that. A whistleblower get paid for these informations.
These pandemic affected all over the world. Lots of these countries don’t have the same luxuries like us but look their deaths and infections.
im sure you are going to say it’s being controlled by the left.
Why are you so always long winded? Be concise. Be relevant. Don’t be you. Dumb Leftist
That’s is your specialty an insults that has nothing to do with your ignorance and stupidity as always. Low class miserable life dirt bag.
You complain a lot. You’re a Leftist. Basically the lefts equivalent of the Alt Right and you hate Jews as you admitted here before.
No I don’t hate Jews. I have several Jewish friends here in California and they are very nice..... but you are very different kind of Jew maybe the lowest kind of scum.

A low class miserable bastard like you cannot even carry a normal discussion. Look at your post to others nothing but mostly abusive insults. Then you play stupid then pretend like you know something. In reality you don’t know anything. GTFOH. You are embarrassing yourself.
Like saying...I have black friends. You’re a real winner or whiner? Hmmmm
Look you miserable idiot. If you want to talk to me talk like a person talk to me properly.

But I do not tolerate abusive low class people like you. YOU GOT THAT?
Feel free to whimper in the corner. As soon as you apologize for your antisemtism we can be civil.
Apologize? I did not started it dumbshit. You did.
 

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Corvid? Lockdowns don’t work. Open the economy, open the world and let us live. Dumb leftist.
Lockdowns do work.
Is there NOTHING you won't do for money?

If they work, why is the virus still here?
In the places that did serious lockdowns, it's not.
bullshit, NY, CAL,,MIch, still in lockdown and still having new cases. In states that have reopened, Ga, ID, FL, TX, no more cases per capita than in the dem bastions of NY, Cal, and MIch
We've had no serious lockdowns in the US. I'm not sure we could pull it off here. But the countries that were able to do so, have very low rates of infection. They knocked it down quick and hard, and moved on. China's economy is booming now.
I complete lockdown has proven very effective at reducing transmission. In the US, it could be done in cities where hospital ICU's reach capacity. Governors would have no real choice because when hospitals reach capacity, everyone who needs hospitalization is effected, not just covid cases.
Nope. More lies. More lockdowns equals more deaths. You hate America
No, I was just making a valid observation. Lockdowns have worked pretty well elsewhere. I'm not saying they will work here, or that we should try them. Just pointing out a fact. Because I hate America. :rolleyes:
Lockdowns haven’t worked. Show me where they did and didn’t impact the economy?
 

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Sorry for lost of your uncle.

In the case of your uncle, there appears to be two factors in his death, colon cancer and covid-19. Whether his death was attributed to colon cancer or covid-19 depends on a chain events that leads up to the death. On a death certificate under cause of death, the first line is the immediate cause; that is the final condition that resulted in death. This typically is something like Escherichia coli sepsis, acute renal failure, hypoxemia, etc. The second line in the death certificate is underlying cause of death; that is, the disease or injury that initiated the chain of events leading directly to the immediate cause of death. This could be Covid 19 or Colon Cancer. What is listed as underlying cause depends the chain of event between the underlying cause and the immediate cause. These events are in the medical records. In other words, there will almost always be a clear chain events that links the underlying cause to to immediate cause. There are very few instances where there is any real guess work in the cause death, although fairly rare it does happen. The events that lead up to a covid19 death are typical very different from those that lead up to a colon cancer death. A person dying due to covid-19 will almost always die with very enlarged lungs filled with fluid. A person dying of colon cancer will have a very different chain of events depending the phase of the cancer.
1. So how did a man who never went anywhere, never in contact with anybody that had Covid, get Covid? Was it something in the air one day?
2. Even if they tested him as soon as he got to the hospital which I'm sure they did, it would have never shown up on the test if he caught it there.
3. My father had to quarantine, so he called his doctor for advice. The doctor told him it would be fruitless to have a test done because even if he did have it, the test wouldn't come up positive for at least five days. My Uncle never had Covid. That's the point.
4. Because of government money, they are creating Covid cases and deaths, which falsely show up in our statistics as US cases and deaths.
1. So how did this man survive without any contact? Who supplied food, water and other human necessities? Does it comes automatically?

2. In less than 2 hours depending the severity or status of the symptoms. You’ll get th results.
If you have a major symptoms like shortness of breath...... ER..... full test..... cardiac panel, CV panel, CMP (blood test comprehensive metabolic panel, total of 8 tests tube with 5 ml eachX-ray. At the same time a meter called pulse/oximeter will be attach to one of your finger that measures your saturation (oxygen level of your body), closer to 100 the better.... reading below 90s is questionable in the low 80’s or ‘70s you are in big trouble. The X-ray results will confirmed how much trouble you are in... Time to pray.
3. Not sure how this is connected to #1. It’s very hard to believe that your uncle died (sorry to hear that) recorded death is Covid but don’t have Covid. Sorry to tell you that This is very hard for me to believe that. You do know that you can request for the medical records.

4. I’ve known you as a conspiracy believer. So I’m not surprised where you stand on this. Facts matters. 50% of Trump supporters believe QANON.

There are hundreds thousands of coroners all over US, doctors and other workers could have come out and said something like that. A whistleblower get paid for these informations.
These pandemic affected all over the world. Lots of these countries don’t have the same luxuries like us but look their deaths and infections.
im sure you are going to say it’s being controlled by the left.
Why are you so always long winded? Be concise. Be relevant. Don’t be you. Dumb Leftist
That’s is your specialty an insults that has nothing to do with your ignorance and stupidity as always. Low class miserable life dirt bag.
You complain a lot. You’re a Leftist. Basically the lefts equivalent of the Alt Right and you hate Jews as you admitted here before.
No I don’t hate Jews. I have several Jewish friends here in California and they are very nice..... but you are very different kind of Jew maybe the lowest kind of scum.

A low class miserable bastard like you cannot even carry a normal discussion. Look at your post to others nothing but mostly abusive insults. Then you play stupid then pretend like you know something. In reality you don’t know anything. GTFOH. You are embarrassing yourself.
Like saying...I have black friends. You’re a real winner or whiner? Hmmmm
Look you miserable idiot. If you want to talk to me talk like a person talk to me properly.

But I do not tolerate abusive low class people like you. YOU GOT THAT?
Feel free to whimper in the corner. As soon as you apologize for your antisemtism we can be civil.
Apologize? I did not started it dumbshit. You did.
OK Antisemitic asshat. You don’t deserve civility.
 

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We seem to have a subtopic going on here that resembles a cafeteria food fight. Get back on topic and take any flame zone material to the FZ.
 

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The mask mandate works and if people don’t cooperate it’s up to them to follow or not but the consequences are higher than do not.

Like at the flu shots.... it works but we still have thousands of caulaties yearly. WHY? Like in last 3 years which I already told you about 77,000 deaths because thousands did not take the flu shots.... ITS THAT SIMPLE. That’s the reality.

You cannot just simply say it doesn’t work because of people’s don’t cooperate.

The big problem that you most followers are mask don’t work because your president told you.. The left, the left, the left.... when you see casualties on REPUBLICAN run cities and states. Look at the curfews under republican mayors.....

Do you think the governor of Ohio DeWine is very stupid to issue a mask mandates if he thinks it’s not necessary?

Look at the past locked down in Florida, Texas and Arizona...... those are republican governors and mayors..... Yet your not so smart of your buddies keep saying the left the left... for the locked down.
Is it because they are very poorly informed or just plain ignorant?
I think that if people would have known Governor DeRino was going to have mask mandates and such, he wouldn't be our Governor today. Just for your information, I do wear a mask whenever I go out in public. I sanitize my hands before I leave the car, in the store if sanitize stations are available, and once I re-enter my car. When I get home, I wash my hands with Dial antibacterial soap for at least 20 seconds. I carry tissue paper in my back pocket in case I need to rub my eyes. Do I do all this because government told me to? Of course not. I do it because my doctor told me to.

Your flu shot scenario is exactly what I'm talking about. You can't get people to comply who don't want to, so a mask mandate is only as good as suggesting people wear a mask. There are people who believe it will help them and people who believe it's all a bunch of bunk because there are other doctors and scientists that say they won't do anything for you; it's like trying to catch falling water with a chain link fence.
I do the same precautions like you when I go out and inside.

The only reasons that we see MASK doesn’t work in any kinds of implementation that is because your president said so. Atlas the closest Trump pandemic crisis team advisors.... Even specifically said mask don’t work. So I don’t expect people like you to support any kinds of mask enforcement.

But if Trump promotes mask is good to stop the spread of virus infections. Guarantee you 100% mask mandate is acceptable. Right?

You might as well said everything doesn’t work.
 

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Corvid? Lockdowns don’t work. Open the economy, open the world and let us live. Dumb leftist.
Lockdowns do work.
Is there NOTHING you won't do for money?

If they work, why is the virus still here?
In the places that did serious lockdowns, it's not.
bullshit, NY, CAL,,MIch, still in lockdown and still having new cases. In states that have reopened, Ga, ID, FL, TX, no more cases per capita than in the dem bastions of NY, Cal, and MIch
We've had no serious lockdowns in the US. I'm not sure we could pull it off here. But the countries that were able to do so, have very low rates of infection. They knocked it down quick and hard, and moved on. China's economy is booming now.
I complete lockdown has proven very effective at reducing transmission. In the US, it could be done in cities where hospital ICU's reach capacity. Governors would have no real choice because when hospitals reach capacity, everyone who needs hospitalization is effected, not just covid cases.
Nope. More lies. More lockdowns equals more deaths. You hate America
No, I was just making a valid observation. Lockdowns have worked pretty well elsewhere. I'm not saying they will work here, or that we should try them. Just pointing out a fact. Because I hate America. :rolleyes:
Lockdowns haven’t worked. Show me where they did and didn’t impact the economy?
I didn't say they didn't impact the economy. They kill it in the short term. China drop to standstill for six weeks. Now they're back stronger than ever. But they acted quickly enough, and drastically enough, to actually stop the spread. It's too late for that here, so the cost benefit analysis is different.

Because I hate America.
 

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The mask mandate works and if people don’t cooperate it’s up to them to follow or not but the consequences are higher than do not.

Like at the flu shots.... it works but we still have thousands of caulaties yearly. WHY? Like in last 3 years which I already told you about 77,000 deaths because thousands did not take the flu shots.... ITS THAT SIMPLE. That’s the reality.

You cannot just simply say it doesn’t work because of people’s don’t cooperate.

The big problem that you most followers are mask don’t work because your president told you.. The left, the left, the left.... when you see casualties on REPUBLICAN run cities and states. Look at the curfews under republican mayors.....

Do you think the governor of Ohio DeWine is very stupid to issue a mask mandates if he thinks it’s not necessary?

Look at the past locked down in Florida, Texas and Arizona...... those are republican governors and mayors..... Yet your not so smart of your buddies keep saying the left the left... for the locked down.
Is it because they are very poorly informed or just plain ignorant?
I think that if people would have known Governor DeRino was going to have mask mandates and such, he wouldn't be our Governor today. Just for your information, I do wear a mask whenever I go out in public. I sanitize my hands before I leave the car, in the store if sanitize stations are available, and once I re-enter my car. When I get home, I wash my hands with Dial antibacterial soap for at least 20 seconds. I carry tissue paper in my back pocket in case I need to rub my eyes. Do I do all this because government told me to? Of course not. I do it because my doctor told me to.

Your flu shot scenario is exactly what I'm talking about. You can't get people to comply who don't want to, so a mask mandate is only as good as suggesting people wear a mask. There are people who believe it will help them and people who believe it's all a bunch of bunk because there are other doctors and scientists that say they won't do anything for you; it's like trying to catch falling water with a chain link fence.
It’s kind of funny that I support your republican governor for following science and you don’t.
 

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