we need to repeal Obamacare and replace it with Medicare For All, my friends

[beautress]

Obamacare just took a well-deserved loss. They can no longer force abortions by caregivers whose religious beliefs disallow them to assign abortions to other people: Little Sisters of the Poor Vindicated by SCOTUS God bless President Trump for letting them off first, and SCOTUS ruling in favor of Amendment 1: Freedom of Religion.

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[dblack]

The problem with Medicare for all, is that Medicare does not pay the full cost of health care.

The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer.

 

[jbander]

Bullshit , if it contradicts the constitution you your self can literally take this to court yourself and argue your made up point. Which is totally bullshit , the court defines the constitution not some red neck out in bozo land.

Is the meaning behind the 10th amendment above your intellectual pay grade? It certainly appears so. You really don't need other people to tell you what to think, even if they have fancy robes and titles.
Maybe you should try calling me some more names in your sad and obvious attempt to point attention away from your shortcomings.
BTW, "yourself" is one word, not two.

Everyone knows your full of crap ace. If it was unconstitutional some redneck would have taken it to court and won, but red necks have their interpretation of every law and amendment in the constitution. To repeat myself you are full of crapola.

 

[jbander]

whose with me?

The problem with Medicare for all, is that Medicare does not pay the full cost of health care.

The only reason our health care system has not imploded with mass bankruptcy of all hospitals, is because the hospitals and health care clinics are cost-shifting to private payers.

Meaning that as medicare underpays for care, private payers are over charged to compensate.

If you eliminated private payers, so that everyone was under Medicare, the result would be the entire health care system would go bankrupt.

The only way to then prevent that, would be to drastically increase taxes, to cover increased payments to health care.

Bernie Sanders, ridiculously claimed we could have Medicare for all, with just a 6% across the board tax hike. There is no mathematical way to make a 6% tax, enough to cover medicare for all. The only way that would work, is if Medicare continued to under pay care providers.

That is essentially saying "Doctors will keep working while going bankrupt".

Well that doesn't work.

A more realistic assessment is about 12%. This would have to be a real tax at all income levels, including the poorest of people. A tax like Social Security, which hammers the poor, as much as anyone else.

And as with all socialized systems, the system will need periodic increases in taxes as time goes one. This is true everywhere in Europe, and in Canada, and everywhere that government funded anything, is provided to the people.

Additionally, when the government runs out of money, the hospitals all close, like we saw in Venezuela, Cuba, Greece, and elsewhere.

Don't bring your nonsense here, When bonuses and expanding is a business expence for medical costs then they can make gains or losses any way they want ,I mean get a life and learn something before you come in here with that shit.

 

[jbander]

Obamacare just took a well-deserved loss. They can no longer force abortions by caregivers whose religious beliefs disallow them to assign abortions to other people: Little Sisters of the Poor Vindicated by SCOTUS God bless President Trump for letting them off first, and SCOTUS ruling in favor of Amendment 1: Freedom of Religion.

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Don't care, that will be changed real soon.

 

[Orangecat]

Everyone knows your full of crap ace.

Are you educated enough to know the contraction of "you are"?

If it was unconstitutional some redneck would have taken it to court and won, but red necks have their interpretation of every law and amendment in the constitution. To repeat myself you are full of crapola.

Pay attention, dumbass, we don't have UHC currently.
Also, try to decide if "redneck" is one word or two. You're so emotionally unhinged that you post all over the map.
PRO TIP: Wipe the spittle from your monitor, clean the boogers off your keyboard, sponge the drool from your chin, and get a grip on what little intellect you possess.

 

[jbander]

The problem with Medicare for all, is that Medicare does not pay the full cost of health care.

The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer.

This is crap just like everything from these mental generous's .

 

[jbander]

Everyone knows your full of crap ace.

Are you educated enough to know the contraction of "you are"?

If it was unconstitutional some redneck would have taken it to court and won, but red necks have their interpretation of every law and amendment in the constitution. To repeat myself you are full of crapola.

Pay attention, dumbass, we don't have UHC currently.
Also, try to decide if "redneck" is one word or two. You're so emotionally unhinged that you post all over the map.
PRO TIP: Wipe the spittle from your monitor, clean the boogers off your keyboard, sponge the drool from your chin, and get a grip on what little intellect you possess.

won't work ace. Lets look up dumbass OK?

 

[jbander]

Everyone knows your full of crap ace.

Are you educated enough to know the contraction of "you are"?

If it was unconstitutional some redneck would have taken it to court and won, but red necks have their interpretation of every law and amendment in the constitution. To repeat myself you are full of crapola.

Pay attention, dumbass, we don't have UHC currently.
Also, try to decide if "redneck" is one word or two. You're so emotionally unhinged that you post all over the map.
PRO TIP: Wipe the spittle from your monitor, clean the boogers off your keyboard, sponge the drool from your chin, and get a grip on what little intellect you possess.

won't work ace. Lets look up dumbass OK?

Lik I said everyone knows your ful of crap like the rest of the rednecks.

 

[dblack]

The problem with Medicare for all, is that Medicare does not pay the full cost of health care.

The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer.

This is crap just like everything from these mental generous's .

???

 

[Orangecat]

Lik I said everyone knows your ful of crap like the rest of the rednecks.

English, please, kid.

 

[Orangecat]

Lets look up dumbass OK?

You have a ceiling mirror?

 

[Orangecat]

This is crap just like everything from these mental generous's .

Lol. Nice job, genius.

 

[jbander]

This is crap just like everything from these mental generous's .

Lol. Nice job, genius.

won't work ace , heres the fact, you say something is unconstitutional, I say bullshit and here is why "Bullshit , if it contradicts the constitution you your self can literally take this to court yourself and argue your made up point. Which is totally bullshit , the court defines the constitution not some red neck out in bozo land. " Try to argue that hot rod. POST 94 total nonsense.

 

[dblack]

This is crap just like everything from these mental generous's .

Lol. Nice job, genius.

won't work ace , heres the fact, you say something is unconstitutional, I say bullshit and here is why "Bullshit , if it contradicts the constitution you your self can literally take this to court yourself and argue your made up point. Which is totally bullshit , the court defines the constitution not some red neck out in bozo land. " Try to argue that hot rod. POST 94 total nonsense.

The Court does not define the Constitution. They interpret it. And, like anyone, they make mistakes. Do you think there should be any Constitutional limits on governement?

 

[Dagosa]

whose with me?

Medicare for All is even worse than ACA. Just another corporate feeding trough.

Medicare for the elderly improved after some provision in the ACA were mandated.

Medicare is socialism. It costs about 4 times what it should thus impoverishing us all. A capitalist system would save us about $7000 per year per person. How is that for a giant tax cut and huge improvement in your standard of living?

Obviously, you made that up. The US pays more per person for HC then anyother free nation in the world.

 

[jbander]

This is crap just like everything from these mental generous's .

Lol. Nice job, genius.

won't work ace , heres the fact, you say something is unconstitutional, I say bullshit and here is why "Bullshit , if it contradicts the constitution you your self can literally take this to court yourself and argue your made up point. Which is totally bullshit , the court defines the constitution not some red neck out in bozo land. " Try to argue that hot rod. POST 94 total nonsense.

The Court does not define the Constitution. They interpret it. And, like anyone, they make mistakes. Do you think there should be any Constitutional limits on governement?

Funny, it still isn't ever defined by some redneck from hicksville. By the way how do you spell government spelling expert/ You are a joke.

 

[dblack]

This is crap just like everything from these mental generous's .

Lol. Nice job, genius.

won't work ace , heres the fact, you say something is unconstitutional, I say bullshit and here is why "Bullshit , if it contradicts the constitution you your self can literally take this to court yourself and argue your made up point. Which is totally bullshit , the court defines the constitution not some red neck out in bozo land. " Try to argue that hot rod. POST 94 total nonsense.

The Court does not define the Constitution. They interpret it. And, like anyone, they make mistakes. Do you think there should be any Constitutional limits on governement?

Funny, it still isn't ever defined by some redneck from hicksville. By the way how do you spell government spelling expert/ You are a joke.

Heh... sure. Glad you enjoyed it. Do you think we should even have Constitutional limits on government?

 

[Andylusion]

The problem with Medicare for all, is that Medicare does not pay the full cost of health care.

The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer.

This is crap just like everything from these mental generous's .

That was not quite English.

Reality is, Medicare operates through insurance companies. Insurance companies get paid a fairly decent profit, to process medicare claims.

In fact, we have insurance companies here in Ohio, that ONLY process medicare claims, because essentially you get to make a good profit from just pushing papers around.

In 2011 or so, I remember a fuss over an insurance company, I believe in New York that wanted to increase premiums more than in years. This was a political cry, because Obama care falsely promised to reduce health insurance premiums (a ridiculous claim at face value. when has government actually reduced the cost of anything? Only moron would believe that).

The company was pointing out they were losing money on insurance policies because of Obama Care requirements.

The left-wingers pointed out they posted higher than ever profits.

The problem was, the company was losing money on their private insurance polices that they actually had to pay for.

The higher profits were from the increased load of expanded Medicaid and Medicare.

Medicare will make the super wealthy insurance companies, even more wealthy and filthy rich, for two reasons. One, they don't have to compete. Competition in the market forces down profits, because there is always someone who will offer a lower price to the public, for a smaller profit margin.

With Medicare and Medicaid, there is no competition.

Second, the company doesn't have to pay for care. They just collect the profits from processing Medicare and Medicaid claims. They are not putting out a penny for health care themselves. They just stamp the paperwork, and file it with government.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Obviously, you made that up. The US pays more per person for HC then anyother free nation in the world.

Yes I just said USA pays 4 times more than it should thanks to govt involvement. We need to shift to capitalism wherein there is competition to bring price down and quality up. Are you still confused???