We Need Socialism.

[Soupnazi630]

Milton Friedman, an icon of neoliberal economics, once responded to the question of why greed is the driving force behind capitalism by saying, “Do you think there is no greed in the USSR?”

Yes, but in the USSR, greedy people were systematically ostracized, and the particularly greedy were sent to Siberia in government railcars. In your opinion, Milton, greed is blessing.

When a system encourages greed, the following things happen - Capitalism in the 21st century measured greed and organized a competition to see, who could be the most greedy. A phase shift occurred—psychopaths took the helm, people, who are physically incapable of feeling the pain of others, when a psychopath is climbing toward his goal.

A financial bandit, who bets on the decline of the shares of a huge enterprise with thousands of employees thinks only about his final profit, and not about how these thousands of people will be thrown out onto the street if the financial bandit's short position burns out and his victim goes bankrupt. Capitalism is a paradise for psychopaths.

Moreover, packs of financial psychopaths constantly prowl the world, choosing which country's currency to crash and profit from it. They are completely indifferent to the suffering of millions of people, and the system encourages such monsters by setting up mechanisms for the instant withdrawal of capital from the victim country.
These are the heroes of capitalism.

Wrong

The greedy were never harmed or ostracized in the USSR. They simply worked for the government using force to get what they wanted instead of trade.

 

[dblack]

Wrong

The greedy were never harmed or ostracized in the USSR. They simply worked for the government using force to get what they wanted instead of trade.

Yeah. Several of us pointed that out. But Ringo is an artful dodger.

 

[Ringo]

Wrong

The greedy were never harmed or ostracized in the USSR. They simply worked for the government using force to get what they wanted instead of trade.

The greedy betrayed socialism because it prevented them from stealing and enjoying their ill-gotten gains. And now, seeing the billions stolen by some former party and Komsomol leaders, the “wealth” available to the soviet nomenclature seems simply laughable.

 

[dblack]

The greedy betrayed socialism because it prevented them from stealing and enjoying their ill-gotten gains. And now, seeing the billions stolen by some former party and Komsomol leaders, the “wealth” available to the soviet nomenclature seems simply laughable.

It's all laughable. Did they really think it would work???

 

[Ringo]

Did they really think it would work???

It worked perfectly. Despite a start from very low position and terrible losses in World War II, the USSR became a superpower in the shortest time in history, providing its population with a host of economic benefits.
Another thing is that a lot depends on leadership. How many businesses out of 100 survive for three years under capitalism? About five? The same goes for countries. A country can be ruined by poor leadership or betrayal.
And if you don't like socialism in the USSR, how do you like capitalism, for example, in Bangladesh?

 

[Soupnazi630]

The greedy betrayed socialism because it prevented them from stealing and enjoying their ill-gotten gains. And now, seeing the billions stolen by some former party and Komsomol leaders, the “wealth” available to the soviet nomenclature seems simply laughable.

They betrayed nothing

Socialism IS an ideology of greed and force

 

[dblack]

It worked perfectly. Despite a start from very low position and terrible losses in World War II, the USSR became a superpower in the shortest time in history, providing its population with a host of economic benefits.
Another thing is that a lot depends on leadership. How many businesses out of 100 survive for three years under capitalism? About five? The same goes for countries. A country can be ruined by poor leadership or betrayal.
And if you don't like socialism in the USSR, how do you like capitalism, for example, in Bangladesh?

You're still dodging. The greedy aren't thwarted under socialism. They just join the government. And once there, they have even more power they did in private business. And they have the police and the army at their disposal.

This is what socialists will never acknowledge. Socialism doesn't do away with greed or economic power. It merely merges it with government. And that's just too much power concentrated in too few hands. It's very much like the problem with theocracy, which brings religious power under state control.

 

[Ringo]

You're still dodging. The greedy aren't thwarted under socialism.

This is what socialists will never acknowledge. Socialism doesn't do away with greed or economic power.

Socialism is born out of capitalist society and therefore inherits its inherent flaws, including greed and everything associated with it.
Under socialism, market relations and money continue to function as a means of exchange. That is why greed continues to exist. However, attempts are made to combat it through economic and ideological measures.
Under capitalism, greed as a thirst for profit is an encouraged law of life.

 

[dblack]

Socialism is born out of capitalist society and therefore inherits its inherent flaws, including greed and everything associated with it.
Under socialism, market relations and money continue to function as a means of exchange. That is why greed continues to exist. However, attempts are made to combat it through economic and ideological measures.
Under capitalism, greed as a thirst for profit is an encouraged law of life.

Mmm hmm.... Ostrich up!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The greedy betrayed socialism because it prevented them from stealing and enjoying their ill-gotten gains. And now, seeing the billions stolen by some former party and Komsomol leaders, the “wealth” available to the soviet nomenclature seems simply laughable.

The commies stole from the people, during commie rule and after commie rule.

Only morons like you were surprised.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It worked perfectly. Despite a start from very low position and terrible losses in World War II, the USSR became a superpower in the shortest time in history, providing its population with a host of economic benefits.
Another thing is that a lot depends on leadership. How many businesses out of 100 survive for three years under capitalism? About five? The same goes for countries. A country can be ruined by poor leadership or betrayal.
And if you don't like socialism in the USSR, how do you like capitalism, for example, in Bangladesh?

How many businesses out of 100 survive for three years under capitalism?

Under capitalism, customer survives, poor businesses die.
Under communism, poor businesses survive, customers die.

 

[Ringo]

Under capitalism, customer survives, poor businesses die.
Under communism, poor businesses survive, customers die.

Tell me about your successful capitalist business in Haiti or Bangladesh. Better yet, tell me how capitalism threatens the very existence of humanity, for example, through the constant threat of nuclear war.

 

[dblack]

Tell me about your successful capitalist business in Haiti or Bangladesh. Better yet, tell me how capitalism threatens the very existence of humanity, for example, through the constant threat of nuclear war.

Same old propaganda I've been seeing from commies for fifty years. Get a new schtick.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Tell me about your successful capitalist business in Haiti or Bangladesh. Better yet, tell me how capitalism threatens the very existence of humanity, for example, through the constant threat of nuclear war.

Tell me about your successful communist business in Cuba.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Tell me about your successful capitalist business in Haiti or Bangladesh. Better yet, tell me how capitalism threatens the very existence of humanity, for example, through the constant threat of nuclear war.

Those are failed socialist states

socialisty nations have nukes as well

 

[Ringo]

Those are failed socialist states

So, if someone has failed, they are a socialist, and if they have succeeded, they are a capitalist?
There is a shopping plaza near my subdivision, and there is a place there that has changed hands about 6-7 times in 10 years... I didn't know they were all socialists... Serves them right!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So, if someone has failed, they are a socialist, and if they have succeeded, they are a capitalist?
There is a shopping plaza near my subdivision, and there is a place there that has changed hands about 6-7 times in 10 years... I didn't know they were all socialists... Serves them right!

Do you still cry yourself to sleep because the USSR collapsed?

 

[Soupnazi630]

So, if someone has failed, they are a socialist, and if they have succeeded, they are a capitalist?
There is a shopping plaza near my subdivision, and there is a place there that has changed hands about 6-7 times in 10 years... I didn't know they were all socialists... Serves them right!

Changing hands is not a measure of success or failure you moron

BTW yes socialism always fails

 

[Ringo]

Changing hands is not a measure of success or failure you moron
BTW yes socialism always fails

And why do you think, genius, did businesses keep changing in this place? Out of sporting interest?
Socialist China is certainly confirmation of your idiotic statement.

 

[Soupnazi630]

And why do you think, genius, did businesses keep changing in this place? Out of sporting interest?
Socialist China is certainly confirmation of your idiotic statement.

There are many reasons for that

China failed as a socialist nation and only succeeded when embracing free markts you moron