Zone1 We need a left vs. right experiment

[Mr. Friscus]

47,000 deaths due to guns a year.

Hack alert: Most are suicides.

Globally, 1.2 million people die from car accidents every year.
About 40,000 people die a year in the US.

Once you start harping on cars, I'll believe you actually care about human life. Until then, you're clearly just exploiting deaths to go after your primary objective.. to get rid of guns (like the Nazi's did)

 

[Bitterhook]

Education, economy, healthcare are all shit

The statement I was responding to was GDP by state and that would be the economy, dumbass.
The healthiest fiscal balancing and budgets would be the economy.

Try reading the ******* comments and not making shit up to suit your stupid desires, you pathetic political hack.

 

[JoeB131]

Before we begin, just a review that you cited a study that refused to reveal its data, I've called you out on it, and you've either doubled down or avoided it. That's a bad look, and offers no support of your claims about guns.

Kellerman is established science. Only the gun fetishists still whine about it.

So, you think human death is acceptable due to economic/social convenience. Got it.

More like economic necessity.

No guns?
1. How are you going to stop a band of murderers raiding your house?

Baseball bats work wonders.

2. How are you going to get rid of the all the guns that exist?

I doubt we could get rid of all guns, but we can restrict who can own them, what types, and how many.

Funny, the sheer number of a problem doesn't seem to bother you when we are talking about 13 million undocumented immigrants. Let's fund the ATF like ICE and give them Gestapo-like powers, and then see how that goes.

LOL, whenever someone says that predictable line, I'm sure they think they've made a valid point. However, your problem comes in when you can't point to an amendment in the Bill of Rights that talks about cars... but you can find one about guns.

Um, the Second Amendment was about "Well-Regulated Militias." I'm all for well-regulated militias; I was a member of one for years. (Illinois National Guard). Do you know what my job was in the IL ARNG? I was the Armorer/Supply NCO. My job was to hand out weapons at the beginning of a training exercise and collect them at the end. We had a successful militia without everyone having their own gun.

NOW, given that the Amendment calls for "Well-Regulated", there's no reason to not have strict licensing, registration, and enforcement.

 

[JoeB131]

The statement I was responding to was GDP by state, dumbass.
Try reading the ******* comments and not making shit up to suit your stupid desires.

Actually, the Red Republican States are poorer than the Blue Democratic states.

 

[Zincwarrior]

The statement I was responding to was GDP by state, dumbass.
Try reading the ******* comments and not making shit up to suit your stupid desires.

That means less than nothing and you know ot, or you are a moron. Lets do the per capita income or GDP.

 

[Bitterhook]

That means less than nothing and you know ot, or you are a moron. Lets do the per capita income or GDP.

If it means nothing to you, then shut the **** up, dumbass.

 

[Bitterhook]

Actually, the Red Republican States are poorer than the Blue Democratic states.

Not really, but go on thinking that.
There are poor red states and poor blue states, as well as vice-versa.

If you actually look at the list top to bottom, it is a pretty good mix all the way through.
The only category fiscally where it starts to separate is in 'fiscal health' and that leans more towards red states, but primarily because more red states have Balanced Budget Amendments to their State Constitutions.

 

[cnm]

Yeah.....Look how effective Illinois and Chicago gun laws have been at reducing gun violence.

As though islands of gun laws will not be washed over by the sea of firearms surrounding them.

It is to laugh.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Baseball bats work wonders.

So one guy with a baseball bat can fend off 10 thugs raiding a house with guns?

LMAO!!! You expect people to find comfort in that? You're signing up innocent people to die.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

I doubt we could get rid of all guns, but we can restrict who can own them, what types, and how many.

So basically punish those that follow the law, and make them more vulnerable to those who have illegal weapons. LOL

Funny, the sheer number of a problem doesn't seem to bother you when we are talking about 13 million undocumented immigrants. Let's fund the ATF like ICE and give them Gestapo-like powers, and then see how that goes.

Deflection, has nothing to do with the convo.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Um, the Second Amendment was about "Well-Regulated Militias." I'm all for well-regulated militias; I was a member of one for years. (Illinois National Guard).

The fact that you brought up that phrase and thing "regulated" means some sort of government regulation tells me you are oblivious to what the amendment said.

This is the latest example of idiots reading things in modern times and assigning common modern meanings to older texts, not bothering to do their due dilligence and good faith homework, and completely revealing themselves as laughably uneducated and just trying to use short cuts. Yikes.

 

[JoeB131]

So one guy with a baseball bat can fend off 10 thugs raiding a house with guns?

LMAO!!! You expect people to find comfort in that? You're signing up innocent people to die.

Guy, you come up with the most absurd scenarios... You are like Ralphie in A Christmas Story.



Congrats, this is your new nickname... Ralphie.

The fact that you brought up that phrase and thing "regulated" means some sort of government regulation tells me you are oblivious to what the amendment said.

This is the latest example of idiots reading things in modern times and assigning common modern meanings to older texts, not bothering to do their due dilligence and good faith homework, and completely revealing themselves as laughably uneducated and just trying to use short cuts. Yikes.

I agree, we shouldn't be making policy based on the understanding of 18th-century slave owners who had no concept of a semi-automatic rifle that can mow down 26 school children in a single morning.

the reality was that only the well-off could own guns back then (they had to import the firing mechanisms from Europe) and the Founding Slave Owners only wanted property owning males to be considered "citizens" who could be in those "Well-regulated" militias.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Guy, you come up with the most absurd scenarios... You are like Ralphie in A Christmas Story.



Congrats, this is your new nickname... Ralphie.



I agree, we shouldn't be making policy based on the understanding of 18th-century slave owners who had no concept of a semi-automatic rifle that can mow down 26 school children in a single morning.

the reality was that only the well-off could own guns back then (they had to import the firing mechanisms from Europe) and the Founding Slave Owners only wanted property owning males to be considered "citizens" who could be in those "Well-regulated" militias.

I'll ignore the gun stuff and note you bashing "slave owners". LMAO. What a leftist snowflake. Guess who owned the most slave? Your party, the Democrat party. Own it.

 

[JoeB131]

Is he smart enough to close our border?
Is he smart enough to kick the GDP into gear?
Is he smart enough to tackle inflation?
Is he smart enough to make money hand over fist?
Are you?

Um, no.

The border was already coming under control before he got there.
The economy is heading into recession.
He's driving up inflation with tariffs.
He inherited all his money. He'd be richer with a good investment company and being hands off.

 

[cnm]

The top four states in GDP are California, Texas, New York, and Florida in that order.
The bottom four states in GDP are South Dakota, Alaska, Wyoming and Vermont in that order,

California and New York are both in debt for a combined $253.15 billion, while Florida and Texas both have a Balanced Budget Amendments in their State Constitutions.

The top 10 states with the healthiest fiscal balances and budgets are Utah, Kentucky, Florida, Texas, New Mexico, Montana, Minnesota, Maryland, Tennessee and Georgia in that order.

So if they're roughly equal in gdp I suppose quality of life is the next metric between red and blue. I wonder how that compares.

Hmmm. This article seems to put the red states in the 'I've got mine, **** you' category. Oh well.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2025-05-08/these-divided-states-are-red-states-or-blue-states-better

 

[Bitterhook]

I agree, we shouldn't be making policy based on the understanding of 18th-century slave owners who had no concept of a semi-automatic rifle that can mow down 26 school children in a single morning.

You know, the US Constitution describes the method necessary to Amend it if you think that is required.
However, that method does not include just pretending it no longer applies, or violating the existing conditions because you think that would be better.

 

[JoeB131]

I'll ignore the gun stuff and note you bashing "slave owners". LMAO. What a leftist snowflake. Guess who owned the most slave? Your party, the Democrat party. Own it.

Ralphie, why do you think this is an argument? Slavery pre-dated the Democratic party.

The problem is the GOP has become the party of glorifying the Confederacy. How many RW USMB poster use John Wilkes Booth as an avatar now?

 

[JoeB131]

You know, the US Constitution describes the method necessary to Amend it if you think that is required.
However, that method does not include just pretending it no longer applies, or violating the existing conditions because you think that would be better.

Talk to your boy Trump, he wants to ignore decades of established precedence.

The reality is that the understanding that the militia laws allowed the government to regulate gun ownership was the basic understanding from the Founding all the way up to the Awful Heller Decision.

See US v. Miller if you are confused.

Furthermore, the 2nd Amendment says "Arms" not "guns". So by that logic, if I can own any "Arms" I see fit, why can't I own a 155 mm howitzer that can fire Anthrax-laden shells? I mean, shit that would keep the government more in line than your little pea shooter, wouldn't it?

 

[JoeB131]

Hack alert: Most are suicides.

Globally, 1.2 million people die from car accidents every year.
About 40,000 people die a year in the US.

Once you start harping on cars, I'll believe you actually care about human life. Until then, you're clearly just exploiting deaths to go after your primary objective.. to get rid of guns (like the Nazi's did)

Again, I'd be happy to regulate guns the way we regulate cars.

Oh, also, the Nazis didn't get rid of guns. In fact, the Nazis repealed the Weimar Republic's gun laws. In fact, when the Allies occuppied Germany after the war, they found plenty of Germans had guns, which is why Ike had to confiscate them all.

 

[Leo123]

If you're talking about common ownership vs private property, look no further than the Pilgrims in 1690.

"The first few years of the settlement were fraught with hardship and hunger. Four centuries later, they also provide us with one of history’s most decisive verdicts on the critical importance of private property. We should never forget that the Plymouth colony was headed straight for oblivion under a communal, socialist plan but saved itself when it embraced something very different."

Why the Pilgrims Abandoned Common Ownership for Private Property

In the diary of Plymouth Colony’s first governor, William Bradford, we can read about the settlers' initial arrangement: Land was held in common. Crops were brought to a common storehouse and distributed equally. For two years, every person had to work for everybody else (the community), not for...

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That there is what you call a failed experiment.