Zone1 We need a left vs. right experiment

[Godboy]

Should the gdp of red and blue states be compared to give an indication of current information?

No, you should be doing this by city, not state. Then you need to show how much of the GDP these cities waste on their dipshit ideas. How profitable is the state? Are they making money, or are they going bankrupt? You also need to include crime rates. You also need to include how many people are moving into the city, or leaving it.

I cant imagine any blue city doing well if we examine THOSE parameters.

 

[postman]

Bad examples in context, because the UCMJ does not protect the rights of a solder, the same way the US Constitution protects the rights of a citizen, and the Boy Scout Manual does not refer to law federal or otherwise.

Regulations aren't mean to protect the individual. They are there to regulate the individual, to protect the group.

Well regulated means people aren't free to do whatever they damn well please.

 

[Bitterhook]

When the government holds a "function", whether at the Trump-Kennedy Center, or at a Presidential Inaugural ball. Those are government functions.

They aren't government business, but they're still government functions.

The government is not holding the function because the center is not entirely funded by the government.
just stop making things up to support your complete misunderstanding of the law.

 

[Bitterhook]

Regulations aren't mean to protect the individual. They are there to regulate the individual, to protect the group.

Well regulated means people aren't free to do whatever they damn well please.

Well-regulated at the time meant 'in proper working order' as was described in the Federalist Papers, and it never meant you lose your mind, grant the federal government power it should not have, and pretend that is a good enough reason to ignore what "the peoples' right to bear arms shall not be infringed" means.

 

[progressive hunter]

If it disrupts
1752. Restricted building or grounds
(a) Whoever-

(2) knowingly, and with intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions, engages in disorderly or disruptive conduct in, or within such proximity to, any restricted building or grounds when, or so that, such conduct, in fact, impedes or disrupts the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions;

I would say yelling fire in a crowded theatre would be a disruption.

I dont see where it says you cant yell fire in a crowded theater,,

what if theres a fire??

 

[postman]

No, you should be doing this by city, not state. Then you need to show how much of the GDP these cities waste on their dipshit ideas. How profitable is the state? Are they making money, or are they going bankrupt? You also need to include crime rates. You also need to include how many people are moving into the city, or leaving it.

I cant imagine any blue city doing well if we examine THOSE parameters.

Actually you need only a single parameter to measure a city.
Are housing costs going up or down.
Housing costs take everything into consideration, from crime to people moving in and out, and distill it into a single easily calculated number.

 

[progressive hunter]

One covered by a body of rules and regulations, like the UCMJ. Or even the boy scout manual.

so far all youve given is restrictions,,

what in your own words do you mean by regulated??

under the original intent that meant, available, well supplied and in good working order,,

 

[postman]

Well-regulated at the time meant 'in proper working order' as was described in the Federalist Papers, and it never meant you lose your mind, grant the federal government power it should not have, and pretend that is a good enough reason to ignore what "the peoples' right to bear arms shall not be infringed" means.

Interest if it was an individual right, then slaves would have also had the right to bear arms.

But they didn't.

 

[Bitterhook]

Interest if it was an individual right, then slaves would have also had the right to bear arms.

But they didn't.

Slaves were not considered citizens (individuals) by law until the 14th Amendment, and were considered chattel or property prior to that.

 

[progressive hunter]

Interest if it was an individual right, then slaves would have also had the right to bear arms.

But they didn't.

because democrats didnt consider them to be humans,,, much like todays democrats dont think they are smart enough to find the DMV to get ID to vote,,

 

[postman]

The government is not holding the function because the center is not entirely funded by the government.
just stop making things up to support your complete misunderstanding of the law.

By that logic, when Trump builds his new Ballroom onto the White House. Whoever donated the money to build it, OWNS IT.

 

[postman]

Slaves were not considered citizens (individuals) by law until the 14th Amendment, and were considered chattel or property prior to that.

The question wasn't were they citizens, or were they persons. And as such, they would be part of "the people".

which shall be determined by adding to the whole number of free persons, including those bound to service for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other persons.

Three fifths of all other persons

So slaves were "persons" under the constitution.

 

[progressive hunter]

By that logic, when Trump builds his new Ballroom onto the White House. Whoever donated the money to build it, OWNS IT.

unless they agreed to donate the money, which they did,,

womp womp,,

 

[Stryder50]

I was in the US Army long enough to know that there were/are some fascist pieces of shit and progressive liberals like Joe in the Army, as well as every branch of the military.

There were/are quite a few 'doves' in the ranks from the top to the bottom, but fortunately they don't really amount to much and we can still maintain and adequate fighting force even with those nitwits on board. It would be nicer and more effective if they weren't there, but they are.

I believe Joe's claim of being in the Army, and I think of a particular piece of shit I remember named Elder, just about every time he posts.

While I'll agree there are a lot of misfits in the military/Army, I remain skeptical of "joe's" claim.
He has enough history of distortions and fabrications here, that post didn't jell for me.

 

[progressive hunter]

While I'll agree there are a lot of misfits in the military/Army, I remain skeptical of "joe's" claim.
He has enough history of distortions and fabrications here, that post didn't jell for me.

hes absolutely guilty of stolen valor,,

all the way down to his chinese made blow up sex doll,,

 

[Stryder50]

Ah, the mythical Defensive Gun Use.

here's the thing with that argument.

According to the FBI, there are only 200 justifiable homicides a year by civilians with guns. So you gun fetishist would have us believe there are a million times a year that you can prevent a crime with a gun, and you can fulfill your fantasy of shooting a darkie...er, I mean a 'bad guy'. But 99.9998% of the time, you don't do it.

What guns do make it easy if for criminals to commit crimes, and this is NOT a problem they have in Europe or Japan. Worse, a gun in the home makes it easier for that argument over a silly domestic issue to turn into a tragedy.

Yeah, criminals like you want their victims to be unarmed, defenseless.
You don't approve of these citizens being armed it seems;

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So you have no mother, wife, girlfriend, daughter, and/or other woman in your life that you think should be able to defender herself.

 

[progressive hunter]

Yeah, criminals like you want their victims to be unarmed, defenseless.
You don't approve of these citizens being armed it seems;
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So you have no mother, wife, girlfriend, daughter, and/or other woman in your life that you think should be able to defender herself.

he has a chinese made blow up sex doll,,
but I dont think it can hold a gun,,

 

[Stryder50]

Uh, dude, I was in the army for 11 years.

My MOS? 76Y - Supply Specialist/Armorer.

Eventually got promoted to Supply NCO for my unit.

Suffice to say I've touched a lot of firearms.

And I know that the kinds of weapons I handled have no business being in civilian hands, just because you put a lock on the firing selector to keep it from firing fully automatic (which any fool with a file could get around.)

I don't expect you to show us your DD-214, but ...

What were your years of service, from when to when ?
What units were you assigned to ?
What bases were you stationed at ?

11 years ? Why not stay in another 9 years to hit 20 had get retirement benefits ?

 

[Bitterhook]

By that logic, when Trump builds his new Ballroom onto the White House. Whoever donated the money to build it, OWNS IT.

That's not logic, and just you trying to make something up to suit your pathetic desire to turn everything into junk.

Whereas the Kennedy Center for the Arts is owned by the federal government, it is managed and apportioned by a board of trustees, and in conjunction with its function under business law. The White House on the other is not managed by a board of trustees, not considered a business, but an actual location where official government affairs are conducted.

 

[Bitterhook]

The question wasn't were they citizens, or were they persons. And as such, they would be part of "the people".

which shall be determined by adding to the whole number of free persons, including those bound to service for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other persons.

Three fifths of all other persons

So slaves were "persons" under the constitution.

The question is irrelevant in regards however you may feel about it, and the only answer would be how they viewed by the law.
The govern requires law, the Constitution was and is the law of the land, and the current law at the time did not view slaves at anything other than property or chattel (that's what not free persons means).

Again, you cannot pretend the law means something just because you would like it to.
Also, the three fifths compromise had nothing to do with the rights of the slaves and only went towards calculating the states' representation in Congress. It did not give the slaves the right to vote, and they didn't cast ballots that counted as three fifths of a vote.

In any case if you want to mess around with the language, three fifths of a person would still not be a person nor a citizen.