We have to make Trump a duck out of water come 2018, he is dangerous

[Auld Phart]

I lost a friend this year to a shooting committed by a PTSD vet with his registered gun.


When our violent crime skyrockets we can say I told you so, but how many innocents have to die first?

I lost a friend this year to a shooting committed by a PTSD vet with his registered gun.

and PTSD is what caused him to pull the trigger?

Yes. He wasn't a murder before he went to war. He came back unstable, didn't get the help he needed, and was allowed to keep his weapons.

No one is a murderer before they kill their first person.

Was he diagnosed with PTSD by a doctor, or is that your own opinion?

Unstable?

according to...?

According to himself and his doctors, yes. And I agree which is why I think Veteran services are vital. There needs to be programs in place to help them when they return with mental health, with education, with employment, with whatever they need. They put their lives on the line for us, we need to make sure they are safe at home.
For public safety, there need to be weapon restrictions as well.

With their high suicide rate, when they realize they became mercenaries for the oil men. When they have legs and arms broken off and get a 10 cent medal to show for it and know they have to live a life of pain and disability.

 

[Wyatt earp]

We are trained to use them

Yes I heard about the training and its not much. Tell us what kind of pre training did you HAVE to do?

I have a CCW licence..

As a Guy I don't carry my 9mm much

 

[Wyatt earp]

We are trained to use them

Yes I heard about the training and its not much. Tell us what kind of pre training did you HAVE to do?

Well I started out with bb guns and stuff and my grandfather gave me a spring Field for my 12th birthday

 

[Penelope]

We are trained to use them

Yes I heard about the training and its not much. Tell us what kind of pre training did you HAVE to do?

Well I started out with bb guns and stuff and my grandfather gave me a spring Field for my 12th birthday

Yes what training did you have to have. (I didn't ask about your history shooting a gun)

 

[Aries]

Yes. He wasn't a murder before he went to war. He came back unstable, didn't get the help he needed, and was allowed to keep his weapons.

No one is a murderer before they kill their first person.

Was he diagnosed with PTSD by a doctor, or is that your own opinion?

Unstable?

according to...?

According to himself and his doctors, yes. And I agree which is why I think Veteran services are vital. There needs to be programs in place to help them when they return with mental health, with education, with employment, with whatever they need. They put their lives on the line for us, we need to make sure they are safe at home.
For public safety, there need to be weapon restrictions as well.

What "weapon restrictions" do you suggest, Aries? For YOUR safety will you be taking away my concealed carry weapon? Do you not grasp that takes away MY safety?

The problem with gun control legislation for "public safety" is that liberals like you are never satisfied with taking away guns from unstable people...you're convinced that the only real solution is banning guns period. You'll never admit it in a debate but it's obvious that's the ultimate goal. Then you wonder why gun owners fight so hard to prevent you from getting your foot in the door of gun control? They know you!

Are you mentally ill? Are you dangerous?

Are you mentally ill? Are you dangerous?

Depends on who you ask.

I bet.

 

[Aries]

So now we will have gun rights for PTSD veterans,
No prior background checks
Mentally Ill can have a gun

Yes I feel so safe now with these people packing a gun. The NRA Ceo is a crazy lunatic as well.

I've had it with all nutcase republicans.

I lost a friend this year to a shooting committed by a PTSD vet with his registered gun.


When our violent crime skyrockets we can say I told you so, but how many innocents have to die first?

If they want to commit suicide they are going to do it regardless...

Who said anything about suicide? I'm talking murder.

 

[Wyatt earp]

We are trained to use them

Yes I heard about the training and its not much. Tell us what kind of pre training did you HAVE to do?

Well I started out with bb guns and stuff and my grandfather gave me a spring Field for my 12th birthday

Yes what training did you have to have. (I didn't ask about your history shooting a gun)

I lived in Chicago..

 

[Wyatt earp]

So now we will have gun rights for PTSD veterans,
No prior background checks
Mentally Ill can have a gun

Yes I feel so safe now with these people packing a gun. The NRA Ceo is a crazy lunatic as well.

I've had it with all nutcase republicans.

I lost a friend this year to a shooting committed by a PTSD vet with his registered gun.


When our violent crime skyrockets we can say I told you so, but how many innocents have to die first?

If they want to commit suicide they are going to do it regardless...

Who said anything about suicide? I'm talking murder.

?

 

[Penelope]

So now we will have gun rights for PTSD veterans,
No prior background checks
Mentally Ill can have a gun

Yes I feel so safe now with these people packing a gun. The NRA Ceo is a crazy lunatic as well.

I've had it with all nutcase republicans.

No prior background checks

only on private sales. buy one in a store, you need to go thru a background check

Mentally Ill can have a gun

really?

What was overturned, was people 'diagnosed' as mentally ill by people in cubicles working for Social Security, not doctors.

as far as the PTSD rant?

Should we prevent anyone that dropped a tab of acid from owning a firearm, on the off chance they have a flashback?

No SS dose not make a ruling, the doctors do.

So naïve...

They send them to doctors, either medical or shrinks, you are the idiot.

Obama pushes to extend gun background checks to Social Security

and you are against this: (they are not deciding who is Mentally Ill)

Seeking tighter controls over firearm purchases, the Obama administration is pushing to ban Social Security beneficiaries from owning guns if they lack the mental capacity to manage their own affairs, a move that could affect millions whose monthly disability payments are handled by others.

The push is intended to bring the Social Security Administration in line with laws regulating who gets reported to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, which is used to prevent gun sales to felons, drug addicts, immigrants in the country illegally and others.

 

[Penelope]

We are trained to use them

Yes I heard about the training and its not much. Tell us what kind of pre training did you HAVE to do?

Well I started out with bb guns and stuff and my grandfather gave me a spring Field for my 12th birthday

Yes what training did you have to have. (I didn't ask about your history shooting a gun)

I lived in Chicago..

What did you have to do before getting a license to carry.

 

[Wyatt earp]

only on private sales. buy one in a store, you need to go thru a background check

really?

What was overturned, was people 'diagnosed' as mentally ill by people in cubicles working for Social Security, not doctors.

as far as the PTSD rant?

Should we prevent anyone that dropped a tab of acid from owning a firearm, on the off chance they have a flashback?

No SS dose not make a ruling, the doctors do.

So naïve...

They send them to doctors, either medical or shrinks, you are the idiot.

Obama pushes to extend gun background checks to Social Security

and you are against this: (they are not deciding who is Mentally Ill)

Seeking tighter controls over firearm purchases, the Obama administration is pushing to ban Social Security beneficiaries from owning guns if they lack the mental capacity to manage their own affairs, a move that could affect millions whose monthly disability payments are handled by others.

The push is intended to bring the Social Security Administration in line with laws regulating who gets reported to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, which is used to prevent gun sales to felons, drug addicts, immigrants in the country illegally and others.

the Obama administration is pushing to ban
News flash ... you cog.

 

[Penelope]

No SS dose not make a ruling, the doctors do.

So naïve...

They send them to doctors, either medical or shrinks, you are the idiot.

Obama pushes to extend gun background checks to Social Security

and you are against this: (they are not deciding who is Mentally Ill)

Seeking tighter controls over firearm purchases, the Obama administration is pushing to ban Social Security beneficiaries from owning guns if they lack the mental capacity to manage their own affairs, a move that could affect millions whose monthly disability payments are handled by others.

The push is intended to bring the Social Security Administration in line with laws regulating who gets reported to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, which is used to prevent gun sales to felons, drug addicts, immigrants in the country illegally and others.

the Obama administration is pushing to ban
News flash ... you cog.

Only for MI, drug addicts, felons, illegal immigrants. You have a problem with that?

 

[Auld Phart]

only on private sales. buy one in a store, you need to go thru a background check

really?

What was overturned, was people 'diagnosed' as mentally ill by people in cubicles working for Social Security, not doctors.

as far as the PTSD rant?

Should we prevent anyone that dropped a tab of acid from owning a firearm, on the off chance they have a flashback?

No SS dose not make a ruling, the doctors do.

So naïve...

They send them to doctors, either medical or shrinks, you are the idiot.

Obama pushes to extend gun background checks to Social Security

and you are against this: (they are not deciding who is Mentally Ill)

Seeking tighter controls over firearm purchases, the Obama administration is pushing to ban Social Security beneficiaries from owning guns if they lack the mental capacity to manage their own affairs, a move that could affect millions whose monthly disability payments are handled by others.

The push is intended to bring the Social Security Administration in line with laws regulating who gets reported to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, which is used to prevent gun sales to felons, drug addicts, immigrants in the country illegally and others.

Do you see any mention of a doctors diagnosis?

I'm in my late 60s, and my daughter does my taxes, has for years.

the Arthritis in my hands is getting worse on a steady basis..

according to some pencil pusher, that would qualify me from not being allowed to own a firearm.

 

[Wyatt earp]

We are trained to use them

Yes I heard about the training and its not much. Tell us what kind of pre training did you HAVE to do?

Well I started out with bb guns and stuff and my grandfather gave me a spring Field for my 12th birthday

Yes what training did you have to have. (I didn't ask about your history shooting a gun)

I lived in Chicago..

What did you have to do before getting a license to carry.

I had to register my guns in Illinois..

 

[Penelope]

No SS dose not make a ruling, the doctors do.

So naïve...

They send them to doctors, either medical or shrinks, you are the idiot.

Obama pushes to extend gun background checks to Social Security

and you are against this: (they are not deciding who is Mentally Ill)

Seeking tighter controls over firearm purchases, the Obama administration is pushing to ban Social Security beneficiaries from owning guns if they lack the mental capacity to manage their own affairs, a move that could affect millions whose monthly disability payments are handled by others.

The push is intended to bring the Social Security Administration in line with laws regulating who gets reported to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, which is used to prevent gun sales to felons, drug addicts, immigrants in the country illegally and others.

Do you see any mention of a doctors diagnosis?

I'm in my late 60s, and my daughter does my taxes, has for years.

the Arthritis in my hands is getting worse on a steady basis..

according to some pencil pusher, that would qualify me from not being allowed to own a firearm.

The only way to get SS is via Doctors assessment. What do you think anyone who walks into a SS office walks out with a check.

 

[Wyatt earp]

So naïve...

They send them to doctors, either medical or shrinks, you are the idiot.

Obama pushes to extend gun background checks to Social Security

and you are against this: (they are not deciding who is Mentally Ill)

Seeking tighter controls over firearm purchases, the Obama administration is pushing to ban Social Security beneficiaries from owning guns if they lack the mental capacity to manage their own affairs, a move that could affect millions whose monthly disability payments are handled by others.

The push is intended to bring the Social Security Administration in line with laws regulating who gets reported to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, which is used to prevent gun sales to felons, drug addicts, immigrants in the country illegally and others.

the Obama administration is pushing to ban
News flash ... you cog.

Only for MI, drug addicts, felons, illegal immigrants. You have a problem with that?

We already have the 1968 gun law cog

 

[Penelope]

Yes I heard about the training and its not much. Tell us what kind of pre training did you HAVE to do?

Well I started out with bb guns and stuff and my grandfather gave me a spring Field for my 12th birthday

Yes what training did you have to have. (I didn't ask about your history shooting a gun)

I lived in Chicago..

What did you have to do before getting a license to carry.

I had to register my guns in Illinois..

So paperwork and money. No class of any sort?

 

[Wyatt earp]

They send them to doctors, either medical or shrinks, you are the idiot.

Obama pushes to extend gun background checks to Social Security

and you are against this: (they are not deciding who is Mentally Ill)

Seeking tighter controls over firearm purchases, the Obama administration is pushing to ban Social Security beneficiaries from owning guns if they lack the mental capacity to manage their own affairs, a move that could affect millions whose monthly disability payments are handled by others.

The push is intended to bring the Social Security Administration in line with laws regulating who gets reported to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, which is used to prevent gun sales to felons, drug addicts, immigrants in the country illegally and others.

the Obama administration is pushing to ban
News flash ... you cog.

Only for MI, drug addicts, felons, illegal immigrants. You have a problem with that?

We already have the 1968 gun law cog

Do you really want me to post it for the millionth time?

 

[Auld Phart]

So naïve...

They send them to doctors, either medical or shrinks, you are the idiot.

Obama pushes to extend gun background checks to Social Security

and you are against this: (they are not deciding who is Mentally Ill)

Seeking tighter controls over firearm purchases, the Obama administration is pushing to ban Social Security beneficiaries from owning guns if they lack the mental capacity to manage their own affairs, a move that could affect millions whose monthly disability payments are handled by others.

The push is intended to bring the Social Security Administration in line with laws regulating who gets reported to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, which is used to prevent gun sales to felons, drug addicts, immigrants in the country illegally and others.

Do you see any mention of a doctors diagnosis?

I'm in my late 60s, and my daughter does my taxes, has for years.

the Arthritis in my hands is getting worse on a steady basis..

according to some pencil pusher, that would qualify me from not being allowed to own a firearm.

The only way to get SS is via Doctors assessment. What do you think anyone who walks into a SS office walks out with a check.

The only way to get SS is via Doctors assessment.

I got SS by turning 65.


the majority of people do.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Well I started out with bb guns and stuff and my grandfather gave me a spring Field for my 12th birthday

Yes what training did you have to have. (I didn't ask about your history shooting a gun)

I lived in Chicago..

What did you have to do before getting a license to carry.

I had to register my guns in Illinois..

So paperwork and money. No class of any sort?

They already knew I could hit a Target a 100 yards away..